Marcellus, **** you in the with a gasoline nozzle.

Regardless of your jaded and incorrect belief, I do not make it a point to tell people they're stupid for incorrectly predicting a Chiefs loss.

You have clearly NOT been paying attention to my posts.
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Your definition is contradictory.

Actually, Mecca is the only one here that doesnt show any emotion when the Chiefs win, or justs disappears. When he is around after a win, he usually plays Devil's Advocate.

He watches a lot of college ball. He seems to know his shit. Props to him for that. However, when he's wrong, he becomes a bitch about it and wont own up to it.

Pot meet kettle.

Something just occurred to me. Hootie, were you not the same football guru that used to pimp Damon Huard? Yeah, fetal position was great.

Speed kills .. it and the defense killed last night ....

Let's imagine a hypothetical scenario:

Prior to the draft, both Hootie and Hamas like the same player. Let's call him Jimmy Pickle. Both of them like this player so much that they want the Chiefs to draft him with a top 5 overall pick. When the Chiefs' pick is announced, a different player is picked. Both are disappointed and think that we missed out on a golden opportunity at an elite player. However, the player continues to slide down the board. As time goes by, every single team passes on him. Most pass on him twice. A couple of teams, including the Chiefs, pass on him three times. Eventually, the player is drafted a full round and a half later than Hootie and Hamas thought he should have been.

How do they react?

Hootie: Every single GM passed on this guy. They must know something I don't. I checked out the guy we drafted instead, and he's pretty good. I'm cool with the pick.

Hamas: Every single GM passed on this guy. They must not know what I know. I will express rage against this decision at every opportunity while actively rooting for the player that I wanted in order to feel vindicated. F my life, and F everyone else's life.

That is a different thing than the thing you said that I called bullshit. Hamas' refutations to a blind adoption of authority make sense. Until proven wrong, that is. Which may or may not happen.

if he left that part out the post would have nailed it though IMO.

Hootie does take it pretty far but it sure makes for some great ****ing threads.
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As much as I give Mecca shit, he did show something totally un-Mecca like on the game thread.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=2138

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1500

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1548

He mentions good things when he sees them in pretty much every game thread. People are just too set in their agendas against him to notice.

Critical thinking does not necessitate skepticism.

Go Chiefs!

I wont argue except to say typically he doesn't show up in game threads and post if KC is winning and I am basing that statement on all 4 times it happened last year. :D

:eek:

Yep. But that DeezNutz guy is a real POS asshole and you are a snob












:)

I rarely read game threads. I'm usually too involved in the game.

Me too. I try and catch up at halftime and after the game is over.

You can be my wing man anytime. LMAO

Shove an AIDS-sprayed ficus tree up your ass. But, since you added the smilie, may the tip be gentle.

Didn't say it was the same thing. It's just more reason why this type of thread gets started...and believe me it will happen. It's already happened three years in a row. Even if Clausen turns out to be a solid QB, the fact that he was mad at Pioli for not taking him with the 5th overall pick when he could have been had more than a round and a half later is laughable.

Given his track record of picks maybe he should blindly adopt the opinion of experts. At the very least, he could allow for the possibility that there could be at least one other opinion that is as valid as his own.

He absolutely blasted anyone who suggested that an LT was worthy of being drafted ahead of Clausen. Never mind the fact that a LT went 50 spots ahead of Clausen and that several linemen were drafted ahead of him. It's one thing to have strong opinions. Hell, I don't even care if they are wrong. It's when you are so insulting of differing opinions due to some unwarranted sense of omnipotence that it becomes unbearable.

Mecca catches a lot of shit on here, but I think he's a good poster. He has well thought out opinions and brings a lot to the table. He can be condescending, but I have noticed that he doesn't normally lob the first salvo. I don't ever find him to be insufferable.

Hamas has a lot less football knowledge, and he tries to mask it with a nihilistic attitude towards those who dare to disagree. (At least I assume that's why he acts that way. It's equally possible that he's just a prick.)

Finally, you've got ROR who just wants to be part of the club. He knows jack shit about football or pretty much anything else. He tries to parrot Hamas who, in turn, is really just parroting Mecca when it comes to football takes. The problem is that so much gets lost in translation that he winds up saying things like "a quarterback needs to show that he can throw the 40 yard out with consistency" and that "he doesn't have a strong enough arm to put air under the deep ball, so he throws them on a line". He winds up sounding like Brick Tamland in Anchorman, and you mostly just feel sorry for him because he doesn't understand why he doesn't quite fit in.

Not even ****ing close.

Oh, and shut the **** up, n00b.

When you don't have facts, just make up baseless accusations. You can't select an LT 50 spots in front of a QB who goes 48.

I was so pissed at Pioli for not taking Clausen, that I started the following thread after we drafted Berry:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...=Mother****ing


Yup, looks pissed to me:

Also, who did I blast for saying that an LT should never be taken ahead of Clausen?

Would I do that for the Rams who drafted a tackle at #2 the year before and who I had in the mock? No

Would I want the Chiefs to draft an LT instead of Clausen when they have Branden Albert? No.

So please, link and context to this supposed infraction as well.

Of course, you could just keep talking out of your ass, like mentioning the fact that Kordell Stewart played in the Big XII and that no good NFL QBs have ever come from BXII schools or that b/c Kordell Stewart was at Colorado in 1994 that he was connected to the Big XII because it formed in 1996.

I will be thinking about you while it is penetrating me.

LMAO.

This really should be someone's sig.

I don't think being wrong... is that big of a deal.

I really liked the 2009 Draft class and took tons of shit for it.

I really didn't like the 2010 Draft class and took tons of shit for it.

But every year, I still have a blast during draft season, you guys chat up draft picks with me constantly, and we all have a great time in the ChiefsPlanet Mock.

I've been as wrong as anyone. It hasn't stopped me from having a good time and it hasn't stopped me from loving my football right here on CP.

So I fail to see why certain people in this thread act like the stakes are sooooooo high.

Just to prove it.

2009
1. Tyson Jackson -- I really liked.
3. Alex Magee -- I liked.
4. Donald Washington -- Meh.
5. Colin Brown -- Hated.
6. Quentin Lawrence -- Really liked.
7. Javarris Williams -- Loved.
7. O'Connell -- Liked.
7. Succop -- Really liked.

2010
1. Berry -- Loved.
2. McCluster -- Didn't like.
2. Arenas -- Hated.
3. Asamoah -- Was okay with it.
3. Moeaki -- Hated.
5. Lewis -- Hated.
5. Sheffield -- Was okay with.

I felt like 2009 had the look of a foundation. But I'm a trenches guy.

2010 felt like a bunch of doohickeys with zero foundation.

You suck at football just like you do with politics

:D

In that thread, I was pretty clear that no good QBs have ever come out of the Big XII. I believe that I mentioned in that thread that the closest thing to a good QB that has come from the Big XII is Kordell Stewart who completed his athletic career a few months after the Big XII was chartered. I acknowledged that he didn't ever play a game in what could be honestly considered the Big XII and that Vince Young was the next closest thing.

Stewart was a decent QB, but he wasn't a bona fide Big XII QB, and Young is Big XII, but he doesn't yet qualify as good. Ergo, no good QBs have ever come out of the Big XII, and those two are the closest there are (but they don't meet the criteria).

You really need to focus on next year's draft. I can't wait to see who emerges as the next great player like Vernon Ghoulston or who is going to suck like Orakpo. I learned that Texas players suck and never turn into good pros like Brian Orakpo, Priest Holmes, Jamaal Charles, or Ricky Williams.

If this thread doesn't result in a pick-em contest between Hamas and Hootie, the terrorists win. Let's just set up a thread where you and Hootie can pick games against the spread. We'll see who knows more about the NFL.

How is Vince Young "not good" but Jamaal Charles "is good"?

What the **** kind of logic is that?

And why don't you go ahead and list all of the "good" players in the NFL from Texas.

LMAO

I like Vince Young and he really won me over last year when he came in when the Texans were 0-6 and turned that team around. And he is starting this year off good as well.

And when asked to substantiate his claims, he quickly deflects.

Oh, and I hated Brian Orakpo so much, I started this thread:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ghlight=Orakpo

I was the first guy to promote him on this board.

Another baseless accusation.

Hey Saul,

While you're at it, why don't you just falsely accuse me of a bunch of other things I didn't say.

We'll start off small, like that I said the moon landing was fake and we'll eventually progress to you claiming that I said the Holocaust never happened.

I love you guuuuuuys.

Orakpo would have given this defense some serious fuel. Especially with our secondary and Hali playing the other side (as Orakpo is plenty good enough against the run to play LOLB and keep Hali at ROLB)

FWIW, this is my post immediately after we drafted Charles and some people were complaining (since I apparently hated Jamaal Charles)

Dude...

Saul Good nailed me to a T...

a ****ing T...

that's what Hamas doesn't get...and he cherrypicks this shit to deflect criticism to me...so he can save some of his "credibility" (he has none)...

I WANTED SANCHEZ...I DID...I THOUGHT HE HAD "IT" COMING OUT OF USC...

I really did.

AND THEN WE TRADED FOR CASSEL AND I GOT OVER IT. Right then...right there...and I started looking at Cassel and realizing we weren't going to take Sanchez...and I stopped thinking about Sanchez.

Both of them suck. So wash I suppose.

I WANTED CLAUSEN...I WANTED A QB...I THOUGHT COMPETITION WAS GOOD...I WANTED BERRY...WE TOOK HIM! GREAT I THOUGHT...CLAUSEN SLID...ALL THE WAY OUT OF THE 1ST...I SAID WOW! WE MAY GET AN "AARON RODGERS" 36TH OVERALL! WE TOOK MCCLUSTER. I WAS DISAPPOINTED...BUT THEN HE KEPT FALLING...AND THEN I REALIZED MAYBE HE WASN'T THE PROSPECT THE "EXPERTS" PAINTED HIM TO BE...

I mean...we had Weis...if Clausen was the next anything...don't you think the man would have QUIT ON THE SPOT IN ABSOLUTE PROTEST if he didn't get his guy?

So I looked at it objectively...he fell to 48th...I said damn...he wasn't who we thought he was apparently...and I researched McCluster...and fell in love with the kid WHO LOVES FOOTBALL.

Who didn't think Palmer was going to be the next big thing that year he put up MVP numbers? He got injured...I gave him a chance...he sucked...he sucked again...people kept talking about him as if he was still the all-pro Carson Palmer...

I laughed...I said no way. I was mocked...last year he had a few flukey 4th quarter comebacks...Mecca crowned him again...I continued to laugh...he sucked ass down the stretch and continues to show he's a Drew Bledsoe with less awareness...dude can't feel pressure...dude has little touch.

I called Romo before I even joined this board...I talked about how Bledsoe held them back...watched one half of one preseason game before Romo ever took an NFL snap...drafted him in my big $$$$ fantasy league in the last round and he won me a TON of money...

I knew he was going to be great...

and he will be great.

I did this same drill with Peyton Manning back in 2003...choker this/choker that...blah blah blah

Tony Romo will be a Super Bowl champion within the next 5 years.

Hamas, I got here a month or so after that thread...I remember you vehemently slamming Orakpo at every opportunity pre draft that year.

What changed between that thread and the months leading to the draft?

Or am I getting you mixed up with another poster? That, I guess, is possible.

Willing to make a bet on that?

and I started to like Thigpen after the Jets game...and when he played another great game the following week...and when Gailey really turned the offense around...

In all honesty...if Gailey had this offense and we were still using Thigpen as our QB...we'd probably be a better unit this year...although it probably wouldn't bode well for the future...

even though either way we're still going to need a new QB

Out of curiosity, who was Smith? Can't think of who Smith would have been in that draft.

Doucet would have been nice.

I think Mecca said he'd rather be raped with a toilet brush than draft Orakpo.

I was disappointed with how he played in the BCS game, but go look at my top 10 list from before the 2009 draft. He's still up there.

Reggie Smith from Oklahoma

It's mecca who thinks big 12 players suck.

Reggie Smith, the safety.

A bunch of people were really high on he and Morgan. They both never amounted to anything in the league.

I was really high on Morgan after we drafted him, but I was wrong in that analysis.

Why so when it happens you just deflect some more and try and go find a post made in 1999 where I didn't know who Tony Romo was?

I told you to post the posts I made (4 posts after) the "I'm disgusted" post after McCluster was drafted...

and you didn't...

because you knew they didn't prove your point, they proved my point

you're an idiot...you dig for whatever posts in whatever context to try and "prove me wrong"...

we went over the Thigpen debate TEN TIMES last year where I showed you all of the posts I made about him after the Jets game and you kept ****ing cherrypicking Atlanta game quotes where he started 1-12 for -2 yards and 2 picks (or whatever)...

you're a piece of shit poster that makes yourself look like a total idiot after every single offseason because you fall in love with workout warriors with no actual football skills (Bruce Campbell, Vernon Gholston) and when things don't go your way, like Saul said, you find every possible way to bash and bash and bash some more...and turn every thread into a ****ing nightmare...

because you're a pathetic, lonely, manically depressed LUNATIC who can't look yourself in the mirror every day without seeing HATE so you take it out on anyone you can over the internet

anyone with an opinion that isn't yours is an idiot, has no credibility...has this...has that

LOOK IN THE MIRROR YOU ****ING MORON

Yeah, I just couldn't remember who Smith was. Thanks for answering that. I would like to have Doucet though.

Especially Texas players

The one thing that concerned me about Orakpo was his propensity to get dinged.

The irony of Hootie telling me I turned this thread into a nightmare. I suppose I could see why you'd say that when you've been clowned and outed as the double-talking douche that you have been in this thread.

Here's the fact of the matter: It's not cherry picking or quote mining if you said it over and over again.

It's not my fault that you change your tune on everything because you don't know what you are talking about.

You call it cherry picking because you don't have the gumption to admit you're a dumbass. Do it. Set yourself free.

Yeah, when I first got here mecca and I headbutted a few times over Orakpo and I just got to the point of "**** it" and went back to the Coalition for awhile. I guess I thought you were right there next to him in a unified front against Orakpo. I may have been wrong there.

I was the Coalition (where I posted before I got brought here by a couple posters that post on both boards) biggest Orakpo guy...he wasn't a popular guy there either. I was basically a stand alone fan of his for our top pick. That board wanted either Curry or ****ing Everette Brown iirc. Now everyone there uses revisionist history and says they all were on the bandwagon. Oh well.

Tyson will turn into a good player IMO (as Ive said all along) he just will never live up to #3. Orakpo easily could.

spilt milk

It's okay Hootie.

Everyone saw Hamas own you in this thread, yet again.

by everyone...

you mean your drafturbator posse and the lackeys?!

omg

I'm so sad...

Hamas posted things I've readily admitted...

I liked Sanchez more than Stafford...

but the archives also show that as soon as we got Cassel I stopped talking about Sanchez...

Remember?

I went on and on and on in that mock draft thread about Hamas being a ****ing dumbass and ruining the integrity of the mock by taking Sanchez #3 and essentially drafting two QB's with the Chiefs first two picks...

yeah?

REMEMBER

so don't be a dumb**** milkman...

I've already made you look stupid a countless number of times with the Brady/Manning debate...

here's the thing buddy...

the only credibility you dumb****s have (especially hamas) is with one another...

no one likes you guys
no one cares about your opinions

you get proven wrong again and again

Dane mocked me for saying the Chiefs were going to keep it close if not win...he said they'd lose by 20+ no doubt...

his tail went RIGHT BETWEEN HIS LEGS last night...suddenly he was respectful Dane...no cursing...just "happy to be wrong!"

yeah I bet that is how he would have acted if we lost by 30...

YOU GUYS HAVE PROVEN ONCE AGAIN TO BE TOTAL FRAUDS

everyone sees it

shit...

MY REP IS LITTERED WITH POSITIVE FROM EVERYONE BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD...

other than your little posse and the lackeys like Raised on Rimjobs

I'm fairly certain that I was pretty adamantly opposed to drafting Orakpo.

It's pretty clear I was wrong on that front.

I was ok with drafting Tyson Jackson, primarily due to the fact that Pioli shit on the value of draft with the trade for Cassel, but I really didn't like it.

I hope last night was just a glimpse of what Jackson will be.

Won't ever be worth the pick, but at least he won't be worthless.

geeze hootie, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

You keep telling yourself that you have ever made anyone look stupid if that what it takes for you to sleep at night.

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion on this stuff. And when one that opinion known, they put themselves out there for possible future criticism. No biggie. Everyone has been wrong at some point.

I think the problem is when you get people who get completely irrational. And the whole talking down to someone else because their opinion differs from yours doesn't really make your position stronger. Not to say that I would do it, but I can understand why people make threads like this if that has happened to them.

Keep doubting Trevor Laws!!! /findthedr

I wasn't for drafting Orakpo, basically because Texas players have had difficulty in the past decade (basically under Mack Brown) translating from college to the NFL.

I don't think Texas players on the whole are well coached for the pro game. They use a spread offense and their defenses face spread offenses. It's difficult to project how they'll perform in the NFL. They generally are fantastic athletes but have a hard time with the game itself.

There was a guy posting in 2009 that wanted Everette Brown at #3 OVERALL. I went round and round with that guy.

Good times.

:D

I remember you and I going rounds on the Coalition about Orakpo a couple times when I likened him to a mixture of Hali and Freeney that is also a damn good run defender. Pretty much the only debate I can remember us getting into over there with ya. I still see him as that guy. I think he can be a 15+ sack guy that is very good against the run. I also wanted us to hire Jim Haslett as our DC at the time, oddly enough. Now they are both Redskins and Orakpo looks to be developing into a elite type player.

Oh well, I like the direction we are going and hopefully Studebaker will eventually grow into a poor mans Orakpo...I think he absolutely will be just that. I already like Romeo more than I liked Haslett and Tyson hopefully will develop into a player that gives us what we saw last night on a consistent basis. Maybe even a tad better next year and years after that.

I wasnt as pissed as most about the Tyson pick because I saw the major flaws in about every player thought of as a possible pick of ours and at least he had a high floor, I just saw Orakpo as a guy with a similar floor but much higher ceiling. Just a matter of preference, I guess and we needed to get a productive player at that pick and not another bust...I think we did just that.

I've been here for a decade, Asswipe. Go ahead and find ONE post, just ONE, where I was HAPPY that the Chiefs lost.

You're starting to seriously piss me off, Hootie.


And tail between my legs? LMAO

You live in your own alcohol fueled world.

Zilla?

ROFL

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon View Post
his tail went RIGHT BETWEEN HIS LEGS last night...suddenly he was respectful Dane...no cursing...just "happy to be wrong!"

yeah I bet that is how he would have acted if we lost by 30..."

...

a person with any class wouldnt have ever gone there

I also find it funny that Hootie goes on and on patting himself on the back for changing his views with added information (aka his flip flop on DMC) but when Dane steps up and owns his misfires and is celebrating with the rest of us he is called "tucking his tail between his legs"

which one is it Hootie? Did you tuck your tail between your legs or did Dane do the admirable thing?

whatever Raised on Rimjobs...

(I like that one)

IIRC, a guy named Bdeg or some variation of that spelling.

He was a BIG fan and the compensation that Carolina gave up for him was nearly commensurate with Bdeg's perceived value.

Frankly, I bet that Hootie did absolutely no research to come to his flip flop, but rather decided that he just wanted to argue with the "drafturbators".

The FAIL Wagon:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zPNktjVowz...rokenWagon.JPG

(I like that one)

So, Rep is meaningful when you can use it as a weapon but if anyone else speaks about rep, they're dickhead geeks that live in fantasy world?

:shake:

Another one: Everyone else is obsessed with being right. Not Hootie, he just starts threads proclaiming how he's right all of the time.

Nothing about this thread makes sense.

He flip-flopped.

The contradictions are just off the scale.

I am amused at the idea of Hootie going apeshit at a bar watching the Chiefs game, shouting things like

YOU GUYS DONT EVEN KNOW

SOME FOLKS ON THE INTERNET ARE WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGG

I AM SOOOOOOO GOING TO LOG ON AN LET THEM KNOW ABOUT IT

what exactly is manically depressed?

and why is hamas lonely?

:facepalm: @ this thread.

ROFLROFL I can see that too, he just plots his revenge, gets another beer and ponders :hmmm: Oh I'm gonna get those guys....

Dude he takes his laptop to the bar and his buddies post racist comments on the Planet.

LMAO I'll have to find some time tomorrow to read this gem. Let me tell you all one thing right now though, I was there. I witnessed it with my own two eyes. OTWP looked like a 6 year old on Christmas that got that awesome gift he was never expecting. Arms raised in victory, dead silent. Sucking in the moment. Yeah, he definitely roots against the Chiefs to satisfy his own ego.

Dude.

DOES HE LIKE CASSEL OR DOES HE NOT LIKE CASSEL

This, my friends, is a Chiefs patriotism litmus test. We don't take kindly to your notions of "nuance."

Draftabulation is more art than science.

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