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DaKCMan AP 12-03-2011 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164568)
Why should any team get an opportunity at a NC if they cannot even win their own conference? Bama had their shot and lost. Simple as that.

I don't give a shit who the other team is as long as it isn't Bama.

Congratulations, you've won the honor of authoring the dumbest ****ing post in this thread.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164568)
Why should any team get an opportunity at a NC if they cannot even win their own conference? Bama had their shot and lost. Simple as that.

I don't give a shit who the other team is as long as it isn't Bama.

Why should a team be punished for playing in the best conference? OSU got beat by Iowa State. They wouldn't have won the SEC. No team other than LSU was going to win a conference with LSU in it.

007 12-03-2011 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164570)
He makes throws that MC could only imagine. He has a lot more talent than Cassel, but he may not be a better QB.

I'm not even sure that Cassel can imagine a good throw.

the Talking Can 12-03-2011 07:21 PM

may be boring, but bama and lsu are the two best teams in the country....pretty much men among boys

O.city 12-03-2011 07:22 PM

So I haven't heard anyone in here state why Alabama should get another chance?

kstater 12-03-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164574)
Why should a team be punished for playing in the best conference? OSU got beat by Iowa State. They wouldn't have won the SEC. No team other than LSU was going to win a conference with LSU in it.

You can't say OSU wouldn't beat LSU because they haven't played LSU. You know who has? Alabama

DaKCMan AP 12-03-2011 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164578)
So I haven't heard anyone in here state why Alabama should get another chance?

Because they're the 2nd best team in the country. That's the only thing that matters.

007 12-03-2011 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164574)
Why should a team be punished for playing in the best conference? OSU got beat by Iowa State. They wouldn't have won the SEC. No team other than LSU was going to win a conference with LSU in it.

And here we go with the SEC is the best argument again. They didn't win their conference. the NC game should always have two conference winners in it.

OF course, the NC should be decided in a ****ing playoff too.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8164579)
You can't say OSU wouldn't beat LSU because they haven't played LSU. You know who has? Alabama

I guess I can't say that KU wouldn't beat LSU either, then.

kstater 12-03-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8164584)
Because they're the 2nd best team in the country. That's the only thing that matters.

Based on what metric?

007 12-03-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8164584)
Because they're the 2nd best team in the country. That's the only thing that matters.

based on opinions that heavily weigh in a computer generated poll.

007 12-03-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164586)
I guess I can't say that KU wouldn't beat LSU either, then.

now lets not get stupid here.

O.city 12-03-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8164584)
Because they're the 2nd best team in the country. That's the only thing that matters.

But we already know they aren't better than LSU. Why should they get to play them again. THey had their chance.

DaKCMan AP 12-03-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164596)
But we already know they aren't better than LSU. Why should they get to play them again. THey had their chance.

If OU and Clemson win, who would you put in the NC game?

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164578)
So I haven't heard anyone in here state why Alabama should get another chance?

If you're looking for complete fairness, there shouldn't be a NC game. LSU is undefeated. They are the champs. Every other team has warts. Oklahoma State's wart is based on the fact that they got beat by a shitty team. Alabama's wart is that they happen to share a conference with the best team in the country and thus finished second in their conference.

If both teams have a single loss, I'm going to punish Diet OK for what happened on the field rather than Alabama for how conferences are aligned.

O.city 12-03-2011 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 8164599)
If OU and Clemson win, who would you put in the NC game?

Don't really know what that has to do with anything.

If OkState loses than Bama will be in the game.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:31 PM

For all of you who think that only the conference champs should get a shot at the title, who would you put in the NC game if Georgia had beat LSU and OU beats Diet OK?

007 12-03-2011 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164620)
For all of you who think that only the conference champs should get a shot at the title, who would you put in the NC game if Georgia had beat LSU and OU beats Diet OK?

The top rated conference winner.

Old Dog 12-03-2011 07:36 PM

I'm not a member of the "Conference champs only" camp, but my reasoning for OSU-LSU is twofold. Firstly, Alabama already lost to LSU at home. Secondly, and more importantly, that was one of the most boring football games ever (others may have viewed it differently, but that's my opinion) and I don't want to see the sequel.

SPchief 12-03-2011 07:36 PM

We should just rename the NC game to the SEC championship game.



Wait, that was played today.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164627)
The top rated conference winner.

So "top rated conference winner" trumps "top rated team"?

007 12-03-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Dog (Post 8164634)
I'm not a member of the "Conference champs only" camp, but my reasoning for OSU-LSU is twofold. Firstly, Alabama already lost to LSU at home. Secondly, and more importantly, that was one of the most boring football games ever (others may have viewed it differently, but that's my opinion) and I don't want to see the sequel.

How many chances did Bama have to win that game and blew it?

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164637)
How many chances did Bama have to win that game and blew it?

Enough to say that the teams were very equal.

007 12-03-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164636)
So "top rated conference winner" trumps "top rated team"?

they didn't win their conference. Make it a tournament and none of this even matters anymore.

Personally, I don't want to see rematches in the NC game. The season is short enough. If you lost, you lost.

007 12-03-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164639)
Enough to say that the teams were very equal.

save for the kicker

Old Dog 12-03-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164637)
How many chances did Bama have to win that game and blew it?

They missed four (I think) FGs. There were other things they didn't capitalize on either. Views will differ, but mine is they had their shot, and to use your words, they blew it.

notorious 12-03-2011 07:42 PM

**** yOU.

kstater 12-03-2011 07:42 PM

So if OSU routs this top 10 team, they'll be over-rated I assume.

kstater 12-03-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 8164646)
**** yOU.

Win-Win buddy

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164627)
The top rated conference winner.

Let's say that LSU lost, Oklahoma wins, and Clemson wins.

In your scenario, LSU would be #1, but they would be disqualified. Alabama would be #2, but they would be disqualified. Stanford would be #3, but they would be disqualified. Boise State would be #4. Arkansas would be #5, but they would be disqualified. Oregon would be #6.

You would have a NC game with #4 against #6 where the #6 team would have 2 losses including being blown out by the #1 team in the country.

I'll take my plan of having the two top ranked teams play for the NC. Thanks, though.

007 12-03-2011 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8164647)
So if OSU routs this top 10 team, they'll be over-rated I assume.

They should definitely be in the NC game if they win.

O.city 12-03-2011 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164650)
Let's say that LSU lost, Oklahoma wins, and Clemson wins.

In your scenario, LSU would be #1, but they would be disqualified. Alabama would be #2, but they would be disqualified. Stanford would be #3, but they would be disqualified. Boise State would be #4. Arkansas would be #5, but they would be disqualified. Oregon would be #6.

You would have a NC game with #4 against #6 where the #6 team would have 2 losses including being blown out by the #1 team in the country.

I'll take my plan of having the two top ranked teams play for the NC. Thanks, though.

So if OSU wins and is ranked higher than Alabama your fine with that?

notorious 12-03-2011 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8164648)
Win-Win buddy

I want it ALL.

Setsuna 12-03-2011 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8164556)
The argument is about the #2 team.

I don't think anyone is beating LSU. Their defense is amazing. I don't think Alabama's going to beat them either.

I don't want Bama to play them again.

007 12-03-2011 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164650)
Let's say that LSU lost, Oklahoma wins, and Clemson wins.

In your scenario, LSU would be #1, but they would be disqualified. Alabama would be #2, but they would be disqualified. Stanford would be #3, but they would be disqualified. Boise State would be #4. Arkansas would be #5, but they would be disqualified. Oregon would be #6.

You would have a NC game with #4 against #6 where the #6 team would have 2 losses including being blown out by the #1 team in the country.

I'll take my plan of having the two top ranked teams play for the NC. Thanks, though.

Thats why I love MARCH MADNESS. I would love to see shit like that happen.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164653)
So if OSU wins and is ranked higher than Alabama your fine with that?

Yes. I would put them behind Bama, but I wouldn't say that the NC would be bogus if it's LSU versus Diet OK.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164657)
Thats why I love MARCH MADNESS. I would love to see shit like that happen.

Gimmicks deciding champions FTW!

007 12-03-2011 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164653)
So if OSU wins and is ranked higher than Alabama your fine with that?

The voters won't allow that to happen.

007 12-03-2011 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164661)
Gimmicks deciding champions FTW!

So March Madness is a gimmick. Gotcha.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164657)
Thats why I love MARCH MADNESS. I would love to see shit like that happen.

Only conference champions should be allowed in the tourney by your logic.

SPchief 12-03-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164661)
Gimmicks deciding champions FTW!

Computers deciding who should play for the champions FTW!

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164663)
So March Madness is a gimmick. Gotcha.

No, it's a great way to determine who the best team is.

O.city 12-03-2011 07:48 PM

March madness is a gimmick. The best team rarely wins the NC. In college football, the BCS does a pretty damn good job of deciding the top two teams.

Setsuna 12-03-2011 07:48 PM

The thing is, after Bama lost, ever team that had a chance LOST. So hey, thems the breaks I say.

007 12-03-2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164664)
Only conference champions should be allowed in the tourney by your logic.

No, I'm not saying that at all. In the current BCS BS setup only conference winners should be allowed in the NC game is what I'm saying.

Make it a tournament and all bets are off and we would have an amazing 3 weeks of college football to determine a champion.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:50 PM

Of course the tourney is a gimmick. It's a great gimmick, so nobody bitches. People care much more about the tourney x 1000 than they care about the regular season.

The body of work barely matters in college basketball, and the best team is rarely crowned champion. Because it's basketball, people care less about crowning the best team champion than they care about their brackets. I know that's true for me.

Mr. Plow 12-03-2011 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 8164666)
Computers deciding who should play for the champions FTW!

Exactly my thought.

Computers deciding who plays, or those teams that win the games?

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164673)
No, I'm not saying that at all. In the current BCS BS setup only conference winners should be allowed in the NC game is what I'm saying.

Make it a tournament and all bets are off and we would have an amazing 3 weeks of college football to determine a champion.

I'd love an 8 team tournament, but I don't see why a team that isn't a conference champ should be invited by your logic.

007 12-03-2011 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164668)
March madness is a gimmick. The best team rarely wins the NC. In college football, the BCS does a pretty damn good job of deciding the top two teams.

Funny, I don't see anyone bitching about the March Madness format. Matter of fact, pretty much everyone that wants a playoff is using that as the argument of how to make the college football system better.

Setsuna 12-03-2011 07:53 PM

A playoff won't matter. It'll be the top 2 SEC teams playing against each other in the end anyway.

007 12-03-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164673)
No, I'm not saying that at all. In the current BCS BS setup only conference winners should be allowed in the NC game is what I'm saying.

Make it a tournament and all bets are off and we would have an amazing 3 weeks of college football to determine a champion.

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164679)
I'd love an 8 team tournament, but I don't see why a team that isn't a conference champ should be invited by your logic.

,.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 8164678)
Exactly my thought.

Computers deciding who plays, or those teams that win the games?

UCONN won the basketball championship last year. They were 9-9 in their conference.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164680)
Funny, I don't see anyone bitching about the March Madness format. Matter of fact, pretty much everyone that wants a playoff is using that as the argument of how to make the college football system better.

People don't bitch about March Madness because they don't give a shit about the regular season or about crowning a true champion. People don't care about basketball, so we are perfectly happy with a gimmick that provides amazing entertainment value.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164687)
,.

If you're trying to highlight your inconsistencies, you've done a fine job.

kstater 12-03-2011 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 8164686)
It'll be the top 2 SEC teams playing against each other in the end anyway.

I don't think anyone arguing for a playoff has ever said that wouldn't happen.

Old Dog 12-03-2011 07:55 PM

Looks like most don't want to see the LSU-Bama rematch according to the ESPN poll

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/fl...&pollId=128016

Mr. Plow 12-03-2011 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164688)
UCONN won the basketball championship last year. They were 9-9 in their conference.

And they beat 6 teams - including UK & SDSU - on their way to that Championship.

I guess they should have just put KU & UNC in the title game and called it good.

Chiefs Pantalones 12-03-2011 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164668)
March madness is a gimmick. The best team rarely wins the NC. In college football, the BCS does a pretty damn good job of deciding the top two teams.

I disagree. I think the best team wins every time in the playoffs. Emphasis on TEAM. IMO every so-called "national champion" in the BCS era should have an asterisk by it. It's a joke. Almost like a freaking video game. It's not real.

O.city 12-03-2011 07:57 PM

March Madness determines the hottest teams at that time. That's about it.

Setsuna 12-03-2011 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8164694)
I don't think anyone arguing for a playoff has ever said that wouldn't happen.

I know they haven't. But it will. Then what is your argument? Put them in the same bracket? Sorry, no.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 8164696)
And they beat 6 teams - including UK & SDSU - on their way to that Championship.

I guess they should have just put KU & UNC in the title game and called it good.

Why would they have put a non top-10 team in the NC game?

Mr. Plow 12-03-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164705)
Why would they have put a non top-10 team in the NC game?

If you want to argue to make the tournament smaller & put the top 20ish teams in it to battle for the championship, I'm all for it.

BigMeatballDave 12-03-2011 08:01 PM

Anyone who says they like Landry is stupid or lying.

He's Matt Cassel. Nothing more.

007 12-03-2011 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164693)
If you're trying to highlight your inconsistencies, you've done a fine job.

I just want a ****ing playoff and not computers deciding our champion. Odds are most teams in a 8 game tourney would have won their conference anyway.

And since you want to press it so hard, Yes, I would be fine with only conference winners in the tourney too. I seriously doubt they would do that though.

I would also rather a 16 game tourney but we all know that won't happen.

O.city 12-03-2011 08:01 PM

I think college basketball allows too many teams into the tourney.

The BCS has the perfect system for a playoff. Take the top 8, seed it, play it out, then have your bowls and stuff after when you get down to the top two.

O.city 12-03-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164712)
I just want a ****ing playoff and not computers deciding our champion. Odds are most teams in a 8 game tourney would have won their conference anyway.

And since you want to press it so hard, Yes, I would be fine with only conference winners in the tourney too. I seriously doubt they would do that though.

THe computers only decide 1third. 2/3rds are human element.

Mr. Plow 12-03-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164714)
I think college basketball allows too many teams into the tourney.

The BCS has the perfect system for a playoff. Take the top 8, seed it, play it out, then have your bowls and stuff after when you get down to the top two.

Exactly.

Saul Good 12-03-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8164712)
I just want a ****ing playoff and not computers deciding our champion. Odds are most teams in a 8 game tourney would have won their conference anyway.

The SEC would have 3 of the 8 this year. The PAC 12 would have 2 of the others.

Chiefs Pantalones 12-03-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164699)
March Madness determines the hottest teams at that time. That's about it.

If you're a good team you're playing well because it's win it go home, not because you're hot or not.

O.city 12-03-2011 08:03 PM

So you think UConn was the best team last year?

O.city 12-03-2011 08:04 PM

Some might hate on them but the NBA and MLB have the best playoff systems.

Mr. Plow 12-03-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164724)
Some might hate on them but the NBA and MLB have the best playoff systems.

To determine the actual best team, I'd agree. I, and most people, like the whole "lose and go home" mentality of the NCAA Bball tournament.

007 12-03-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8164718)
The SEC would have 3 of the 8 this year. The PAC 12 would have 2 of the others.

That still makes for 5 conference champs out of 8.

Mr. Plow 12-03-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164724)
Some might hate on them but the NBA and MLB have the best playoff systems.

KU, and a lot of the bigger basketball programs, would have a lot more championships if they did a Best of 7 series.

BigMeatballDave 12-03-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 8164686)
A playoff won't matter. It'll be the top 2 SEC teams playing against each other in the end anyway.

:rolleyes: you don't know that.

I suppose Packers and Ravens should play in the Superbowl? Just skip the playoffs.

If you are not in favor of a play off, then surrender your man card, because you are a ****ing pussy!

O.city 12-03-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 8164727)
To determine the actual best team, I'd agree. I, and most people, like the whole "lose and go home" mentality of the NCAA Bball tournament.

It makes for excitement that's for sure.

kstater 12-03-2011 08:11 PM

Big hit there. They don't do that in any other league than the SEC.

-King- 12-03-2011 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164724)
Some might hate on them but the NBA and MLB have the best playoff systems.

Yeah, NBA and MLB teams can afford to do a "best of _" playoffs. Football players would be dead by the time they got out of the first rounds.

Chiefs Pantalones 12-03-2011 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8164721)
So you think UConn was the best team last year?

Yep

Setsuna 12-03-2011 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8164731)
:rolleyes: you don't know that.

I suppose Packers and Ravens should play in the Superbowl? Just skip the playoffs.

If you are not in favor of a play off, then surrender your man card, because you are a ****ing pussy!

I don't care either way. I'm just warning you, that when what I say happens, DO NOT bitch about it. To prove me right, I want a damn playoff.


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