Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487269)

First page, you crying about having your friend do it if its more than 20 bucks, and you not EXPECTING it to cost more than 20 bucks, despite the fact that you knew nothing about the business, which I later came in to explain so that you KNEW better.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9487271)

BLACKBOB?

EXTORTER IS A BLACKBOB MULT

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9487272)

No. It's because you're a ****ing douche.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9487280)

So I'd just go outside with a screwdriver and a butter knife and the mirror would be replaced in the time it took me to post this.

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9487280)

So I'd just go outside with a screwdriver and a butter knife and the mirror would be replaced in the time it took me to post this.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487198)

Actually, it is one of the newest industries on the planet, is one of the most ever changing industries on the planet, and without being in the industry, i doubt you even under stand 1/5th of what is going on.

But sure, we'll take your statement because it totally makes sense.:thumb:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487287)

are you mexican? If so, maybe.

If you're white you'd be too lazy and you'd just drive to Taco Bell and have a mexican divy you out some soft shells and then tell me to take my car to Taco Bell and ask the cashier if he could do it.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487286)

That's the one! That's who I was being accused of a multi of. I loved that whole argument.


I'm really not though, you just assume I'm a douche because I call things how they are, or because I've hated on your friend.

If I'm a douche, then you're a judgemental asshat, trust me, if you ever met me you'd do a 180.

You'd still consider me a knowitall in real life, but you'd consider me a friendly knowitall.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487274)

I said I wouldn't pay more than $50 to get my mirror installed...in fact, I won't pay more than $20...

and I'm 100% ok if that means I can't get any professionals to do it...that makes sense. That's why I asked. I wanted to make sure I knew what I was getting into and I wanted to make sure I didn't offend anyone.

That was the 100% sole purpose of this thread. At no point did I say "omg, the auto repair industry is unfair! damnit obama!"

not once, and nor do I think that now

I don't care. If someone can get someone to pay them 10 X more than something is really worth then good for them and 'Merica!

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9487280)

So I'd just go outside with a screwdriver and a butter knife and the mirror would be replaced in the time it took me to post this.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487283)

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

where in the **** was I crying in that post?

I was wondering if $20 was reasonable...in which Bwana said 'good ****ing luck!' in which case the thread COULD HAVE BEEN, and SHOULD HAVE BEEN over.

there is no tears in that post...you're and idiot

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487287)

are you mexican? If so, maybe.

If you're white you'd be too lazy and you'd just drive to Taco Bell and have a mexican divy you out some soft shells and then tell me to take my car to Taco Bell and ask the cashier if he could do it.

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 9487289)

We're going to need to know your level of education before we feel comfortable with you doing that. Please report back.

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9487290)

Are you serious? We have been mass producing automobiles for over a century. The automotive industry is mature and very well understood.

Like I said, it's not rocket science. It's not new. It sure as **** isn't complicated.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487295)

we were promised flying cars by now but you mechanics are too ****ing stupid to figure it out

instead we have smart phones

thanks a lot, college degree having mechanics

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 9487299)

Nobody knows a friendly know-it-all. But most of us know a douche or two.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487232)

There are two parts to your post that are wrong.

1. That is exactly what you pay for, me having paid my dues. Do people go to an expensive Salon because they want to throw away money? Or do you think they want THE BEST haircut possible, regardless of the fact that it can be done as well at great clips.

Chances are, that stylist went to a very expensive school and was an understudy for some very popular and important artists before they got their job, and yes, they went to school for it and paid. So now they're taking in the dough for the dues they paid.

That same stylist at Walmart probably graduated from a 60 day or 90 day "beautician course" and earned their right to cut hair, not the same education, but that stylist wouldn't have a shot at working for the expensive salon, just as the stylist at the expensive salon wouldn't work at great clips unless they absolutely had to. Same applies here.

Same applies to the practices of law, practices of banking and trading.

2. You think I am against small business, yet I am just the opposite, I'm all for small business. One can argue that I'm actually detracting from my current employer, driving customers away to smaller businesses because it'll cost less to have the same work done.

I am all for the small businessman, I've created two small businesses already, and I hope to start the paperwork on my third very soon. I support small business in a way you might never understand because you aren't up to date on my day to day doings like some others might be, but trust me, I've done as much as I could possible due to add to the small business community, including an AMA on reddit, as well as hundreds of long, thoughtful posts on the entrepreneur section on thoughts and suggestions for people to run their business, or run it better.

I'm probably small business' #1 supporter on this website, I just have disdain for Jason because he attacked me first and hasn't let up because he's a ****tard and according to him I'm an "over-educated knowitall", as if you could ever be over-educated in life.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487312)

I love mexicans because they work hard and aren't entitled...like us greedy Americans.

best blue collar workers in the country

Originally Posted by ChiefsNow (Post 9487316)

Why would you remove a perfectly good duct tape repair. You could have reinforced it with spray foam and bondo.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9487324)

Hootie may not have known the specifics of the business practices of mechanics, but he didn't start the thread with any ill intent, so why do you have to be such a ****ing prick about it? He specifically posted the OP to ask a question b/c he didn't want to offend the mechanic; it could not have been more innocuous.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9487324)

Hootie may not have known the specifics of the business practices of mechanics, but he didn't start the thread with any ill intent, so why do you have to be such a ****ing prick about it? He specifically posted the OP to ask a question b/c he didn't want to offend the mechanic; it could not have been more innocuous.

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 9487326)

Wow. You are the man.

Now where did I say you were against small business? You work for a small business. I own a small business. I never said you were against small business.

I would assume you would go to hairstylist. Most mechanics, farmers, and others still go to barbers. But someone of your stature in your industry needs that extra flair. Not sure how your haircut became a point where I was wrong but thats ok.

Who does your hair anyway? Ill bet it looks marvelous!

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487352)

My first post wasn't laden with disdain for him, I simply explained to him how it works, what not to do, and what to expect. IT wasn't until after his panties got in a bunch that I really started to get on his case, or do you care to go read my first post again?

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 9487381)

Is this an internets persona or are you honestly this big a dickhead real time?

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487322)

Explain that to the software and engineers educating the robots on how to build a new car every 4 years, and the people that have to build and place those machines into the factories for them to being production, or the teams of people that remove said machines 15 minutes after the last car of that model design rolled off the floor, to make way for the new units to being production of the new cars that are mostly built by robots.

Yep, same industry from first half of the 19xx's. LMAO

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 9487381)

Is this an internets persona or are you honestly this big a dickhead real time?

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487385)

I had gotten off of work and clicked on ChiefsPlanet...I was browsing the ***** thread and noticed the thread I made earlier, which I assumed would be dead,m was still getting hits...

I read it and I was appalled by the fact you posted THAT post to an innocent question I had about installation cost for a side mirror.

At no point was I trying to offend mechanics, I simply wanted to know if I could kill two birds with one stone and do it for minimal cost.

I was told no by Bwana right away and that was that...

but instead you felt like you needed to talk down to me and tell me how ****ing stupid I was...

and for no ****ing reason.

So that is why I responded the way I responded to you. I couldn't believe you wasted an hour of your time to give me a 500,000 character life lesson I never needed or asked for.

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9487394)

JFC making a business more efficient by improving manufacturing techniques is not new nor does it change the fact that we have been mass producing automobiles for over a century. Refining the automobiles that we make because we have been making them for so long doesn't make it a new industry either.

Don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse now.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9483905)

I quoted a bunch of your posts so I can help explain a few things for you, since you are extremely misguided about how the auto repair business works, so I'll be highlighting a few points here, hopefully it'll enlighten you, and the rest of the community so they don't get the foolish notion that "Since they are already doing work, maybe they'll do this for practically nothing".

First things' first, bringing a part in will not earn you a discount. In fact, it is almost insulting to every business out there, and a good majority of them WILL NOT install "your" part for a number of reasons, but make no mistake about it, the largest reason they will not, is because they cannot mark the price up. The next biggest reason is because the manufacturer of that part probably doesn't adhere to the same quality standards that the repair facility (usually dealerships in this case) will stamp their warranty work on.

As most places will have a general warranty coverage on all work done, we're not going to warranty a used part, and we certainly aren't going to warranty a cheap reproduction or reman part from an inferior quality supplier and add our warrant to it.

Also, since we aren't making a single CENT off of your mirror, we won't be obliged to discount the time it takes to put your mirror on. Most places, as it turns out, are going to charge you a MINIMUM 1 hour labor to do ANYTHING on a car, short of a flat rate service (Oil Change, Brakes, Exhaust, etc.)

Depending on where you live, that labor hour could be anywhere from 50 dollars in labor (BFE midwest) to 95 dollars an hour (KC metro stealership)



Minimum, unless the tech or manager are a close friend.



This is the next bit that I'll touch on.

First, you sound like a cheap ass. You sound like the individual who will fight me (the mechanic or manager) tooth and nail for your business because you don't want to pay what I'll charge everyone else, because you can't afford it. I'll try to fight for your business to a degree, and you'll try to drag me to that point and then go further. I will have a line I won't do the work for, and you're likely going to get me to that line, or just above it. Once we've established that, I'm not cutting you a discount on ANYTHING ever again.

Second, 100 dollars is NOTHING in the automotive repair business. Generally speaking, that's about 1.5 hours of labor or just a little under at most "mom and pop" shops.

I don't even think I can go anywhere in the KC metro and get all 8 of my plugs changed in my mustang for 100 bucks. I'm not sure what your service is, but I've written tickets for an Oil Change and Air Filter for nearly as much as you're spending, and those are 15 minutes In and Out all day long.

I realize 100 dollars is something to you, but understand that 100 dollars is NOTHING for a business that needs to earn it.

What you don't understand is that labor hour generally goes to paying a huge portion of the business, as a lot of the parts barely have any true "room" to make up that kind of "markup".

Say I sell you a distributor for $250 dollars, chances are I picked that distributor up for about $210-220, but I'm probably going to charge you an hour to put that on, 16-24 of that is going to my mechanic to put it on, he's only going to take about 20 minutes to do it, and the 40-50ish remaining goes back to the shop. In most medium sized repair facilities, I'm going to have to have about 5 of YOU a day, to pay for my business all said and done.

So to answer, no, you aren't being reasonable.



The next issue I have, and this will be true enlightenment.

Just because something takes 7 minutes and 24 minutes to install for the trained professional, does not mean I should be charging you 7 minutes and 24 minutes of my labor hour.

You didn't pay for his training, you don't pay for the facility, you don't pay for the advertising, you certainly don't pay for overhead at all, yet, you think you should only be charged for the time it took to repair?

When it comes to repair of ANY KIND, you're paying for the service, not the time. If the service calls for 3.5 hours, you'll get charged 3.5 hours. But, should your trusted repair facility employ some very knowledgeable, very fast mechanics who can get the job done in 1.7 hours, you aren't going to pay less because they are that much better and efficient.

You'll just get your car back that much sooner and be on your way to the life of whatever it is you do, that much quicker.

If repair facilities charged you for the actual time it took them, they would be out of business, or............you'd see labor hours doubling or tripling the current labor hours, just to get back to the same "profits" they have right now, but you'd see a new breed of mechanics that are rushed and more mistake prone.

You don't wan that, wise up.



Forget it then.

I'm guessing that your car is a shitbox based on the aforementioned repair costs, that, or you are getting preventative maintenance done.

But I'll give you an idea of a real life scenario.

A friend of mine had his mothers' car come into MY business to get a tune up and to replace her sway bar. After all was said and done, I think we knocked the car out in like 2 hours, but HE (the friend) also brought in a mirror to have it replaced at the last second. He asked me for a quote and gave me the number to call her to get the go ahead on the purchase.

I quoted her in the neighborhood of 115 dollars to remove and replace the mirror.

Do you know why?

The labor hour came out to about 1.5 hours, I had to remove the door panel (wasn't easy, required special tools that I had to buy because this is the business I am in), and re-pin (I did this for free) the connector to her heated mirrors.

Therein lies the issue in some cases. Newer cars cost more to fix. She was driving a 2011 fully loaded Acura TSX, this thing had Heated, Power Mirrors, Power door locks, everything, which is more shit for me to remove and/or **** up when I take her door panel off.

The connector in this case was broken, and I had to remove the connector (depin) and fix it (repin to the new one), I charge $125 dollars a labor hour for electrical work and/or invasive work. I did it for free because he brought me a ton of business my way.

Still, it cost her $115 to replace it. Do you know what other places had quoted her?

$400+ Dollars for 1.5 hours labor + 1 hour electrical/diagnostic

Yet you want that shit done for 20 dollars or "**** it, I'll do it myself"

$20 isn't shit anymore kid, I wipe my ass with 20's.


It is, especially when it is your part.

They'd certainly give you a labor discount had you bought their part or allowed them to source one for you, granted it would be marked up a bit, but you'd likely have paid significantly less on the labor.



A lot of this depends on the Year, Make, and Model of the car.

My mustang would take some time, but my 92 civic? 3 minutes flat.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487400)

Doesn't take away from the fact that you made an error in judgement making that statement.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487410)

You were INCREDIBLY condescending for no reason whatsoever in this post...and a post that was incredibly unnecessary in the first place.

You could have said:

"Yo, I work at the auto industry. No, we won't do it for $20. Don't even bother asking, that's insulting."

And I would have said, "gee, thanks. That's what I needed to know."

and thread could have been over

instead you called me a cheap dipshit because I don't feel the need to put a lot of $ into a car with 211,000 miles

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9487434)

I think you raise a valid point. If the responses on this thread had been billed at a stealership, we'd be at $310,000 already.

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 9487437)

Hootie wipes his ass with 500 post threads.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487447)

well this one was a true surprise

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487451)

but there has been no Alex Smith references in this thread until just now so this has been my favorite thread of the month so far

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9487413)

You are ****ing stupid.

Would you say that the automotive industry life cycle is at

A) infancy

B) adolescence

C) maturity

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487410)

You were INCREDIBLY condescending for no reason whatsoever in this post...and a post that was incredibly unnecessary in the first place.

You could have said:

"Yo, I work at the auto industry. No, we won't do it for $20. Don't even bother asking, that's insulting."

And I would have said, "gee, thanks. That's what I needed to know."

and thread could have been over

instead you called me a cheap dipshit because I don't feel the need to put a lot of $ into a car with 211,000 miles

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9487413)

You are ****ing stupid.

Would you say that the automotive industry life cycle is at

A) infancy

B) adolescence

C) maturity

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 9487419)

Yeah, that response came off as really "friendly".

Exoter, do you eat your lunch all alone?

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9487434)

I think you raise a valid point. If the responses on this thread had been billed at a stealership, we'd be at $310,000 already.

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 9487452)

Yeah, you didn't even piss on anyone. I'm a bit disappointed.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487473)

I think my favorite part of this thread is watching the "Mexican" (who is in the financial industry) beat up on the "professional" auto mechanic.

Oh and NO, Exotar, Hootie did NOT use the word ENTITLED incorrectly. He pretty much nailed its usage.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487482)

No, no he did not.

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 9487495)

Well, you're going to have a fun, long time arguing with AC. I think he just might be pretty opinionated. And it kind of seems like maybe you are too.

Enjoy.

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 9487495)

Well, you're going to have a fun, long time arguing with AC. I think he just might be pretty opinionated. And it kind of seems like maybe you are too.

Enjoy.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487503)

HA, this one won't take long. Besides not much left to say in this thread that hasn't been said by others.

But I will take the time to explain why Hootie used the term "entitled" correctly.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9487510)

I don't really know what's going on, but I feel it is unfortunate that we will never catch the prick who knocked hooties mirror off.

That son of a bitch created all kinds of problems and he needs to pay.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487507)

By all means do so, I LOVE a good debate with someone who has functioning brain cells.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487482)

No, no he did not.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487476)

Definitely in a realm between its infancy and its adolescence. I say this with respect to the age of every other industry out there, which you don't seem to be doing, or seem to be ignorant of.

There are few industries "younger" than the automotive industry, if you take the time to actually think about it.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9487513)

Abort. Abort.


You're in over your head.

He'll start throwing words at you that are made up and make you think you know them.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487514)

I know one industry well and that is the restaurant industry. The best cooks were ALL Mexican...the ones who weren't never lasted. They wouldn't do that work for that pay. However, the best of the best were making $19-$20 an hour (had been there for 20 years)...

I would pay a Mexican $15 an hour to be a cook at my restaurant before I'd pay a white or a black person $10 an hour. They bust their ****ing asses and do things more efficiently and better than the new age entitled American worker.

I used to bust my ass too...but I appreciated the fact the only reason I made the $$$ I did was because of the Mexican's who did all of the shitty work in the back (dishes, cook, bussing) and did it so well it allowed the restaurant to run efficiently. If we replaced those 30 Mexican's with 30 legal American's who would refuse to do the work that was asked of them the restaurant would be closed in a month.

I'm sure this very same thing occurs in the auto industry. Are these mexican cooks as good as a cullinary trained chef? hell ****ing no.

Do I think the mexican on the corner is a good bet to fix my transmission when it has issues? Probably not.

do I lose sleep for putting it to 'the man' when I pay a street mexican $20 to fix something as easy as a side mirror rather than pay $95 for an hour of labor on something that doesn't mean a whole lot to me? Nope.

I respect the **** out of the working Mexican in the country. I don't care if they are "taking jobs"...because generally, at least in my old field (and even really in hotels with housekeeping as well) they are taking jobs that they CHERISH and WORK HARD AT without complaining and do 100 X better than the typical working class American.

the 20-30 year old American worker is a lazy ****ing piece of shit now...especially the ones with no schooling...there are exceptions to every rule but if I ever owned a business that needed blue collar working I would pay more money and hire mexicans then pay less money and hire white/blacks

I'm not doing it for the cheap labor...I'm doing it because they get the job done.

5 years ago the local McDonalds was total shit...quality was terrible, ****ed up every order...miserable place. Owner upped wages and hired a shit ton of mexicans and now it has to be the best McDonalds I've ever been to.

there is not a single working class person I respect more than the blue collar working mexican

until they get all domesticated and start becoming entitled like the blue collar working American

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9487516)

We have been in a consolidation phase for automakers for quite awhile. Would you like to revisit your characterization of what stage the automotive industry is again?

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image...002023-gr1.jpg

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487482)

No, no he did not.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487312)

I love mexicans because they work hard and aren't entitled...like us greedy Americans.

best blue collar workers in the country

Originally Posted by The Dictionary

Entitled : qualified for or allowed or worthy of being chosen

Originally Posted by People with brains who understand words

a belief that one is deserving a particular reward or benefit

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 9487516)

We have been in a consolidation phase for automakers for quite awhile. Would you like to revisit your characterization of what stage the automotive industry is again?

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image...002023-gr1.jpg

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9487513)

Abort. Abort.


You're in over your head.

He'll start throwing words at you that are made up and make you think you know them.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487521)

Let's take a look...




Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...



The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487524)

Shut up you nirstabibulator!

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487521)

Let's take a look...




Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...



The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9487526)

FWIW, he probably have put the word feel in front of entitled and none of this would be necessary.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9487522)

Depends how you would like to characterize the automobile industry. In its infancy is alternative fuels, in it's decline are fossil fuel methods.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487523)

liberal?!?! LMAO

I have no political beliefs.

Check that...

as long as I can wake up, jerk off, play xbox, drink, have sex with random girls if I am lucky enough I don't give a shit about politics...

wake me up when I make more than $40K a year and don't spend all of my money on bar tabs and dirty sluts

so the next time I vote (which will be the first time), it'll be for a guy who guarantees me xbox and jerk off lube...that's something I can truly get behind

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9487526)

FWIW, had he probably have put the word feel in front of entitled and none of this would be necessary.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487532)

True but his meaning was still conveyed and again.. that is the purpose of words. So I don't see how he used the word incorrectly. Exotar can say that it isn't true but would be hard pressed to say that his meaning wasn't apparent.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487523)

liberal?!?! LMAO

I have no political beliefs.

Check that...

as long as I can wake up, jerk off, play xbox, drink, have sex with random girls if I am lucky enough I don't give a shit about politics...

wake me up when I make more than $40K a year and don't spend all of my money on bar tabs and dirty sluts

so the next time I vote (which will be the first time), it'll be for a guy who guarantees me xbox and jerk off lube...that's something I can truly get behind

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487534)

Not to mention the industry is BARELY a hundred years old, and that doesn't even apply to the mass production of automobiles yet.



You just described a liberal. LMAO



The placement of words in a sentence, or lack thereof, can be very helpful....or detrimental.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487531)

Your argument works very well, if you don't take the context of the argument into consideration.

He's saying he likes Mexicans more, because they aren't going to charge you for having insurance, for being liable for damages, and taking RESPONSIBILITY for their work.

Entitled does not fit that description, nor his argument.

He says Americans are Entitled, when the Word entitled is NOT synonymous with Responsible.

What he meant to say is responsible, but he'd heave felt like an idiot for saying that, because it isn't what he meant. The issue stems from his lack of understanding the business model, and misrepresenting the work done cheaper, as them not being entitled. When in all actuality, the work isn't done cheaper because they aren't entitled.

The work is being done cheaper because they aren't LIABLE.


1 point, Exoter.

Next argument please.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487536)

I just schooled the shit out of your "take" on my claim that he misused it.

Might want to go back and argue it, or admit defeat.:thumb:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487543)

I'm a liberal because I don't care what happens around me as long as I get to do the things that make me happy?

If that's being a liberal then cool, I guess I'm a liberal.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9487540)

****ing liberals. We should just hang them.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487541)

Ouch.. no
Exotar 0
Exotar's understanding of the purpose of words -100
Exotar's understanding of what Hootie was saying -10000

Again.. you can argue his point but I (and everyone else here) knew what he meant when he used the word "entitled." AND it wasn't we all said ... "oh he said xxx but we know he meant yyy." No, he meant to say exactly what the word means in common usage in this context... therefore it was NOT the incorrect word. His use of the word conveyed exactly how he feels on the issue, therefore you need to argue his points not his word choice.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487543)

I'm a liberal because I don't care what happens around me as long as I get to do the things that make me happy?

If that's being a liberal then cool, I guess I'm a liberal.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487542)

Donnie, you are WAY out of your league on this one.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487543)

I'm a liberal because I don't care what happens around me as long as I get to do the things that make me happy?

If that's being a liberal then cool, I guess I'm a liberal.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487546)

oh oh oh... I'll make this SUPER fair..

Let's ask KCNATIVE to judge!

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9487547)

I've heard if you don't vote then what happens you have to accept. Perhaps like some **** in new england making your jerk off lube illegal due to environmental concerns or some bastard in texas jacking the price of xbox controllers to $200 a piece.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487550)

No that makes you more of an anarchist or a super lazy non-idealistic libertarian. Liberals and Conservatives have agendas that are going to (at some point) harsh your buzz.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487550)

No that makes you more of an anarchist or a super lazy non-idealistic libertarian. Liberals and Conservatives have agendas that are going to (at some point) harsh your buzz.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487546)

oh oh oh... I'll make this SUPER fair..

Let's ask KCNATIVE to judge!

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487553)

Lets not have someone who openly voices his disapproval of me judge it.

We are both intelligence, why don't we judge for ourselves.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487548)

Agreed, lets do it.



Wrong.

This entire thread before that comment of his, in reference to his love for mexicans, stemmed from the fact that they don't have to charge you for running a business, in direct reply to my response mentioning that you pay the prices you pay, because I have bills to pay such as insurance, because I am liable.

His argument is very clearly in statement that mexicans are cheap because they charge you for the work done, do it fast, and do it cheap.

This coming after my explanation that they can do this because the don't offer a warranty on their work or carry insurance for liabilities, a comment he later made if I am not mistaken, that he doesn't care about warranty work or insurance coverage for his "****ing mirror".

So no, you're wrong, very wrong, and he misused the word entirely, because he struggled to find the correct one to use in its place, because if he did use the correct word, it would actually have a negative connotation attached to it, for his mexicans, that it.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487548)

Agreed, lets do it.



Wrong.

This entire thread before that comment of his, in reference to his love for mexicans, stemmed from the fact that they don't have to charge you for running a business, in direct reply to my response mentioning that you pay the prices you pay, because I have bills to pay such as insurance, because I am liable.
He feels Mexicans are awesome. They can charge a lower price because they do not have huge overhead or legal operating costs.
His argument is very clearly in statement that mexicans are cheap because they charge you for the work done, do it fast, and do it cheap.
They do the job efficiently.
This coming after my explanation that they can do this because the don't offer a warranty on their work or carry insurance for liabilities, a comment he later made if I am not mistaken, that he doesn't care about warranty work or insurance coverage for his "****ing mirror".
Again we go into liability and legal implications of warrantied service.
So no, you're wrong, very wrong, and he misused the word entirely, because he struggled to find the correct one to use in its place, because if he did use the correct word, it would actually have a negative connotation attached to it, for his mexicans, that it.
For what it's worth, who gives a shit? The way he presented it is that Americans are lazy and Mexicans do not feel entitled and have to earn their money.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9487558)

I have no issues with law and order, I realize the need.

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487520)

So, because we are in a consolidation phase, my answer is incorrect?

You previously referenced that we've been making cars for over a hundred years now, as if the Industry's age is some kind of inclination towards its infancy, adolescence or maturity.

Do I need to reference a much, much older industry for you to understand the bigger picture?

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9487556)

The **** it does.

GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT BULLSHIT.

He is DEFINITELY NOT LIBERTARIAN, and I question your grasp of politics now.

Also, calling him anarchist? Are you serious?

He's definitely more accurately liberal than anything else, and he has his agenda, xbox and lube.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487550)

No that makes you more of an anarchist or a super lazy non-idealistic libertarian. Liberals and Conservatives have agendas that are going to (at some point) harsh your buzz.

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9487560)

Oh dear. You don;t even know what we are arguing do you? We are not arguing wether he was RIGHT, we are arguing wether he knew what the word means and used it correctly to convey how he felt. He did.

Read his post about workers in the restaurant industry... it is CLEAR he knows the word and used it to convey the meaning he wanted. You can argue til your blue in the face that he is wrong... but you will continue to play the fool if you argue that he used the wrong word.

If I say the sky is black and it is daytime and it is blue... I may be wrong but I didn't misuse the word black.. I didn't pick the wrong word I was just wrong.

You claimed he misused (or didn't understand) the word... that clearly isn't the case. You SHOULD have argued that American workers are not (falsely) entitled vis a vis "Mexican" workers. Instead you attacked his word choice... and in a "real" debate you'd get your ass handed to you for doing so.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9487561)

End of God damned debate, brought to you by a silky smooth liberal mother****er.