Sure you have.

Time will tell.

At this time last year, Nassib and Glennon weren't on anyone's radar. Wilson was busy ****ing up his senior season (and is currently on a practice squad) and Barkley (weak arm and all) was disappointing for USC.

Glennon's clearly the Next Man Up in Tampa (especially with all of their Freeman issues).

Barkley, Wilson, Nassib and Bray won't see the field in 2013 (and maybe even 2014) unless there's a catastrophic injury.

What if we had drafted one of the quarterbacks 1.1, pick your flavor, and we go to 1-15? Next year though we go 8-8. Year after 11-5, and then 13-3 and Super Bowl champs.

Would that be worth more than going 8-8 or 10-6 the first two years?

I think it absolutely matters when we're talking about a guy who completely bottomed out in the draft. For every Aaron Rodgers, there is a Jimmy Clausen and a Brady Quinn.

I would have liked a QB, but I'm thinking more and more it should have been Manuel.

That's complete and utter speculation.

On top of that, you're asking an already impatient fan base to endure two more years of shit football, with absolutely no guarantee of success.

I can absolutely assure you that if the Chiefs had drafted a Geno Smith-type QB at 1.1, I would not have renewed the Sunday Ticket. I have enough issues with justifying three hours every Sunday away from my young children.

I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one that would feel that way.

**** that 13-3 junk.

The Giants and Packers won SBs with 10-6 and 9-7 records. Who gives a shit about having a great regular season? NE has proven what a waste of time that is.

Yes the entire Kansas City Chiefs fanbase is stupid and doesn't deserve an elite franchise QB because some people on a message board notorious for over-exaggerations and brutality have criticized shitty play of some young QBs, especially QBs on other teams, when the general consensus here is "**** other teams and their ****ing shitty players". KANSAS CITY DOESN'T DESERVE IT! THANKS CP! YOU MADE US UNWORTHY! :cuss:

So you wouldn't have had the patience for what happened to Dallas in the early 90s?

Exactly right. It's easy for some fans to accept more shit years for the chance of developing a franchise QB that can be great later.. but the teams and coaches can't accept that approach, and neither should any fan.

What if with this vet QB, the Chiefs can win 9 games this season and 12 the next while also developing a young QB to take the team to the ultimate level?
(if so intent that this vet now can not )

You wouldn't want to watch? We could have Pigeon McBuffalochip at QB and I'd still have to watch every week. I can't help it. It's entertainment to me no matter what happens. Last year was tough though....very tough. Still entertaining in a disaster movie type of way though.

Patience? Sure. Spent my Sundays watching them or caring? No.

At this point in my life, there are far more important things happening than watching a QB "lead" a team to a 1-15 record.

After enduring 4-12, 2-14, 4-12 and the worst season in franchise history at 2-14, I would not be watching right now if they chose to start a guy that wasn't NFL ready.

Are the Chiefs going to trade Jamaal Charles for a load of draft picks?

I'm nearly 48 years old. I have a one year old and a five year old.

I'd rather be at Disneyland with my family on Sunday than watch a 1-15 team go 1-15.

I see. I'm only 30 and no wife or kids. I can tell my love for obsessively tuning in to my favorite sports teams is dipping a LITTLE bit. I'll get there.

So we are back to being the 90s Chiefs. I would rather be the 90s Cowboys. I'll take another down and shitty year if it means we are a threat to win a Super Bowl every year.

1 and 5? That sounds exhausting.

Sure, but you have no clue if a SB win will be the end result.

Try 14/9/7. Never a dull moment.

Alex Smith is just Steve DeBerg Part II. We all know how this song and dance will end.

Exhausting but incredibly rewarding.

I have a 14 yr old. That's plenty.

Of course not.

Mecca nailed this fan base a long time ago.

More worried about a respectable record than taking the risk associated with being great.

As a new TrueFan, I'm hoping we keep it respectble againt the Cowboys and Eagles so my tailgate at the Giants game is more fun.

Crystal ball?

I have a hard enough time taking care of myself lol

Trust me when I say I can wait for those days.

:D

I have daughters. I can't imagine what it'll be like when they're both teenagers.

I foresee a lot of beach time in my future.

Yeah I did. I thought he went through his reads just fine. The comfortable in the pocket comment is relative to him being a rookie. I thought he had a decent game. If he was on my team I would have been fine with how he played. Obviously he made some bad mistakes and the red zone INT was a really bad one, but saying that game is proof that we shouldn't have wanted Geno is a joke.

Mecca also whiffed badly on Hali...

In fairness, people have already judged the careers of guys who have played one or two NFL games, so judging a guy who has 8 years in the league shouldn't Ben frowned upon.

So, you truly believe that people would be pissed and/or turned off by Kaepernick, Wilson, Newton, Dalton, Luck or Griffin?

Again, there's a HUGE difference between being a young, NFL ready QB and a guy that's NOT NFL ready, yet thrust into a starting position.

Mine are all boys, it's frenetic. Teens are lots of work. Good on you and your beach time.

And?

Who here hasn't missed at some point?

He's dead on about the fan base, people just don't want to admit it.

I am not trying to claim that he has proven he will be a good QB. But the point of the OP was to say that wanting Geno was silly, and I don't think the first two games showed that at all.

People still bash guys with multiple rings like Manning and Roethlisberger in their prime, so yeah.

Matt Ryan is a huge POS according to CP.

Pretty much. I'm not even caring about college quarterbacks anymore in the draft- even though there is two that I would love to see as our quarterback.

Manuel threw for 150 and lost. To a team who you said "crushed Geno" to the tune of a 13-10 loss...
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I'm at 16/12/8/ 10 months. fml
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I didn't like him out of college - he has made me eat a lot of crow. He should be getting a ring either this year or next. Age 27/28 is when they start winning big.

Who gives a shit about the fan base?

I certainly don't. Live and let live.

Tie a knot in that thing.

LMAO

Wisdom

All you "Draft Geno" morons need to understand there was a reason he fell so far in the draft.

Stop the fawning already-he ain't gonna be great

Same here. Hilarious that people here thing he's crap.

Ryan a huge POS? I haven't seen anyone say that.

I don't think Ryan is "Elite" and I don't think he should be paid like an Elite QB but hey, that's just my opinion.

The dude is a shitty closer.

She did this time lol.
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Ok miss Cleo
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LMAO

6th among current QBs in 4th quarter comeback wins.

WHY WOULD ANDY REID WANT A LOW IQ MICHEAL VICK #2 AGAIN ROFL

CLOSE THE DUMB THREAD ALREADY... ROFL

Zero points against the Giants in the playoffs.

Held scoreless in the second half last year against the 49ers.

Lucked out that Wilson's last minute drive failed.

The Falcons are the 90's Chiefs except with amazing offensive skill position talent. Yet, Matt Ryan, after five years, has one playoff win.

I'm sorry, that's just not good enough.

Not even remotely close to the elusiveness or speed of Vick... and I hate that muther****er.

It's not that anyone thinks Ryan is crap, it's that he hasn't had success in the post season. That is a valid argument.

Alex Smith and Matt Ryan have both won a playoff game.

However, no one would argue that Alex is a better QB.

Matt Ryan is at the prime age. This year and next will see if he gets the ring.

that's because if his surrounding cast. They have spent tons of resources to put him in a position to succeed.

Plus he's kinda dorky looking. **** that guy.


They will let him walk soon.
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Ohhhhhh I forgot the held scoreless, Brady would never have that happen.
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1-5 in playoff games for Ryan, IIRC. He's good, but not all that.

17 points scored last week against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. Last year, they were historically bad.

LMAO

Ohhhh, I forgot about Matt Ryan's three Super Bowl rings and five appearances.

I forgot that Tom Brady was throwing to Roddy White, Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez.

FWIW, could you even ****ing IMAGINE Tom Brady with those weapons?

Plus, he has some fantastic weapons at his disposal. Probably been in the same system for many years too.. would have to check.

Lmao just kicking you a little Dane. But you did say it. and it has happened.
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You put Matt Ryan on the Patriots and they're a 5-11 team.

You put Tom Brady on the Falcons and they're 16-0.

Matt Ryan is 28. This is age they start winning Super Bowls.

Several of those great weapons were hurt then too...
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EVERY WORD I TYPE IS IMPORTANT.

I'd permaban 37 49ers trolls to get a QB half as talented as Matt ****ing Ryan.

Which further goes to prove that Ryan isn't anything special

Still wish we had Geno. Thinking about more seasons than 2013. But we don't have him. Maybe we'll draft someone in 2016 or 2017.

Ryan is an elite QB. There is no getting around this.

uhhhhhhh...no, he isn't elite. He could be...he is close but I can't call him elite yet.

1-5 playoff record doesn't equal Elite.

He's being paid as if he's elite, so he'd better do more than win a single playoff game this year or serious doubt will begin to set in.

But who's he going to beat? Rodgers? Kaepernick? Brees at full strength with Payton? Eli? Hell, even Cutler?

The Falcons have a tough road this year. They blew it last year.

Lol. Moved some posts there.

First he's got all these great weapons. Then point to a game where a couple were hurt as proof the guy isn't that good.
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I like Ryan a lot, but I'd like my elite QBs to have more than 1 post season win.

Is Romo an elite QB?

He's 1-5 in the playoffs with an enormously talented offense.

Until he wins a few consecutive playoff games, I'll refuse to refer to him as "Elite".

It's not like he lost a 51-48 playoff battle with Kurt Warner. He failed to direct a single scoring drive in the second half of the NFC Championship game, at home, with White, Jones and Gonzalez as targets.

That's Bono-esque.

The word elite gets used way too much and too often.....there are really only 4, truly elite QB's right now...."Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Brady". Those are the only guys I see that can actually put a team on their back and win regardless of anything else going on with the defense etc.

Then there's that borderline group of Eli, Benny R., Matt Ryan, Philly Rivers at one time.

Then you have the potentials and quality game managers like Stafford, Alex Smith, Vick

Then the up and comers in Wilson, Kaeprninck, Luck, RGIII

Of course then you have just the suck

Damn I guess Mark Sanchez is an elite quarterback with his 4-2 playoff record. Bow down bitches.

He's semi-elite, somewhat OK. I mean, he'll do.

Through Chiefs-colored glasses, though, he's the second coming of all things QB. I can't even imagine what a QB that talented would look like not wearing opposing gear in Arrowhead.

Rivers? Oh, but no. :doh!:

:facepalm:

At one time, I said. Early on, Rivers was damn good. Last few years he has fallen off.

Matt Ryan is in the same tier of QB's with Schaub and Flacco. And that is not the same tier as Rodgers and Peyton and Brees

yeah, fair nuff