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LoneWolf 05-09-2014 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ARROW2 (Post 10614715)
We'll see.......

Your avatar makes me happy in my pants.

Beef Supreme 05-09-2014 09:31 AM

I'm amazed every single year at the number of people around here who think this team is going to draft a first round QB.

The Browns did not need to jump past us to get Manziel. The Eagles got a pick for trading back, but I think we took the guy they thought they could get after they dropped back.

htismaqe 05-09-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10614716)
My only real issue with Ford is whether or not he can stay healthy for an entire NFL season. All of our OLBs are going to benefit from more of a rotation though.

Yep.

The potential upside of the pick is big.

The Franchise 05-09-2014 09:38 AM

I'll be interested to see if they move up into the 2nd round today. There's still a TON of talented WRs on the board.

okoye35chiefs 05-09-2014 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10614748)
I'll be interested to see if they move up into the 2nd round today. There's still a TON of talented WRs on the board.

Flowers trade?

R8RFAN 05-09-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10614748)
I'll be interested to see if they move up into the 2nd round today. There's still a TON of talented WRs on the board.

7th round picks will be valuable in this draft

OldSchool 05-09-2014 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10614748)
I'll be interested to see if they move up into the 2nd round today. There's still a TON of talented WRs on the board.

What if they sent Hali to Atlanta for their 2nd? This place would implode.

The Franchise 05-09-2014 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 3rd&48ers (Post 10614772)
7th round picks will be valuable in this draft

We don't have one.

The Franchise 05-09-2014 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10614773)
What if they sent Hali to Atlanta for their 2nd? This place would implode.

1. Don't think the Falcons have the cap room for him.
2. This place would explode with joy. A 2nd for Hali would be raping the Falcons.

jd1020 05-09-2014 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10614773)
What if they sent Hali to Atlanta for their 2nd? This place would implode.

I'd be happy with that. Would make the Dee Ford pick more sensible.

the Talking Can 05-09-2014 09:54 AM

trading vets with big contracts is smart business, generally, as the pats have shown

i like hali and flowers, but the truth is that we have gotten their best years already

if we could get a 2nd for either in this draft, do it...

Whosurdaddy 05-09-2014 09:55 AM

This makes me feel a bit better.
http://i.imgur.com/IQii774.jpg

CaliforniaChief 05-09-2014 09:57 AM

Not sure if posted already, but I enjoyed this.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/4_AsiilOLGw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Chiefs=Champions 05-09-2014 09:57 AM

Would be silly to trade Tamba now if we are legit about having another playoff run. If we trade him we have Houston and a bunch of question marks. I would be happy to trade flowers for a 2nd however. I think we can compensate for him if we have better safety play which we should.

CaliforniaChief 05-09-2014 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10614748)
I'll be interested to see if they move up into the 2nd round today. There's still a TON of talented WRs on the board.

Yep:
Cody Latimer
Allen Robinson
Jordan Matthews
Donte Moncrief
Davante Adams

These are all 2nd round or higher-caliber WR's.

The Franchise 05-09-2014 09:59 AM

Here's his Pro Day.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/19c9BT7lwgU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

CaliforniaChief 05-09-2014 10:00 AM

Oh yeah, and Marquis Lee.

ARROW2 05-09-2014 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10614737)
Your avatar makes me happy in pants.



Just be sure to wipe off your keyboard and screen....:evil:

OldSchool 05-09-2014 10:01 AM

I remember Senior Bowl reports of Ford running and moving with the fluidity of a linebacker.

the Talking Can 05-09-2014 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 10614820)
Yep:
Cody Latimer
Allen Robinson
Jordan Matthews
Donte Moncrief
Davante Adams

These are all 2nd round or higher-caliber WR's.

i wonder what it would cost to get into the 2nd


it's a pipe dream...but Matthews would be incredible

The Franchise 05-09-2014 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10614833)
i wonder what it would cost to get into the 2nd


it's a pipe dream...but Matthews would be incredible

The Vikings gave up a 4th to move from #40 to #32 last night. I'm thinking it really depends on the team that's there. ****....all the Browns gave the Vikings to switch spots was a 5th.

Whosurdaddy 05-09-2014 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10614833)
i wonder what it would cost to get into the 2nd


it's a pipe dream...but Matthews would be incredible

I agree. That guy was a straight gamer at Vandy. Literally carried that Vandy team in every game I was able to catch.

BigCatDaddy 05-09-2014 10:08 AM

This isn't a Junior Siavii or Jon Baldwin type reach. I think Ford can turn into another Justin Houston and I'd be fine with that.

Ford will shine under Wade Phillips after Sutton's ass gets canned next year :D

R8RFAN 05-09-2014 10:08 AM

It would be a wonderful thing to be one of those teams with 11 or 12 picks in this years draft...

I think Lee, Garoppolo and Carr will be gone with 3 of the first 4 picks today

the Talking Can 05-09-2014 10:25 AM

the talent in the 2nd round this year is bonkers

R8RFAN 05-09-2014 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10614878)
the talent in the 2nd round this year is bonkers

Seems to me it's like 1st round talent in the 2nd as opposed to last year....

Too bad you guys couldn't have waited a year to suck really bad

Frosty 05-09-2014 10:38 AM

I went into this draft with zero expectations for them taking a QB. They didn't give up two valuable picks to drop Smith after two seasons. I know the rumor of the contact dispute but I think they'll work something out. Smith has the Chiefs over a barrel but he also has to know other teams aren't going to break the bank for a 31 year old QB. He's a solid QB but he isn't Manning. There may also be a perception that his success is partly from being in an Andy Reid system and not something that can be replicated elsewhere (look at how most Reid QBs fared after they left the Eagles).

Personally, I think Cleveland leapfrogging KC only robbed the Chiefs of a chance to trade down. I don't think they were going to take Manziel or any other QB at that spot.

I thought a pass rushing OLB was a big need on the team based on how Houston and Hali wore down last season, so I like the Ford pick. I've said before that with the QB we have, I think a quality TE would be more beneficial that another WR so passing on Lee didn't bother me that much. I just don't know if any of the good TEs will still be there in the 3rd, though there should still be some really WRs.

Frosty 05-09-2014 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 3rd&48ers (Post 10614849)
It would be a wonderful thing to be one of those teams with 11 or 12 picks in this years draft...

I think Lee, Garoppolo and Carr will be gone with 3 of the first 4 picks today

Do you think Houston would be willing to draft another Carr? I don't think he will be a superstar but I would still prefer that the Raiders don't draft him.

Halfcan 05-09-2014 10:51 AM

Not sure why everyone is bitching about getting the best pass rusher in the draft? My have forgot what little pressure we put on QB's after game 6 of last year. I think Ford was always the pick they wanted.


This kid is humble and has a great attitude-Love the pick!! Poe, Ford, Hali and Houston-pick you poison-you can't double them all.

The Franchise 05-09-2014 10:51 AM

Best pass rusher? Seriously?

Red Dawg 05-09-2014 10:51 AM

The pick was not bad its just not expected. After watching Manning, Rivers and Luck eat dinner after the game in their clean uniform I understand the pick. This kid is fast and can get to the QB. It just sucks not to have a truly fast bad ass at wr.

CaliforniaChief 05-09-2014 10:52 AM

Dee Ford will wear #90.

The Franchise 05-09-2014 10:54 AM

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 13m

New #Chiefs OLB Dee Ford will wear No. 90. Bringing back Neil Smith's old number to the pass rush.

Jakemall 05-09-2014 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10614839)
The Vikings gave up a 4th to move from #40 to #32 last night. I'm thinking it really depends on the team that's there. ****....all the Browns gave the Vikings to switch spots was a 5th.

The cost to move from the 3rd to the 2nd would be about the same...but the Vike's 4th has more value than the chiefs. Maybe 2 3rds (this year and next year) for a mid 2nd.

Jakemall 05-09-2014 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10614829)
I remember Senior Bowl reports of Ford running and moving with the fluidity of a linebacker.

That's good..because he projects to be a linebacker.

Jakemall 05-09-2014 11:08 AM

WR board at this point:
1. Robinson
2. Latimer
3. Matthews
4. Lee
5. Landry
6. Montcrief
7. Adams
8. Bryant

at least a couple of these guys will fall to the late 2nd early 3rd...might not need to move much to get a guy that will make an impact.

CaliforniaChief 05-09-2014 11:09 AM

As painful as it will be to watch the 2nd round (which I won't), I think enough talent will drop to the 3rd that we can either find great value at 87 or move up in the 3rd at a much lower cost.

The Franchise 05-09-2014 11:09 AM

We're going to go offensive linemen in the 3rd.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-09-2014 11:17 AM

After watching the tape I'll say he isn't the all-around player Justin Houston is, but he may be that kind of rusher. And perhaps he will develop like Houston has in the pro game. Never enough rushers. Need WR, DB, OL the rest of the way.

Sully 05-09-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ct (Post 10614643)
since he really only has a bull rush anyway


Not sure if serious...

saphojunkie 05-09-2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10615021)
We're going to go offensive linemen in the 3rd.

Just like we did in the first.

BossChief 05-09-2014 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10615021)
We're going to go offensive linemen in the 3rd.

Depending on who the player is, I'm ok with it...but I'm hoping a safety drops to us.

SAUTO 05-09-2014 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10614958)
Best pass rusher? Seriously?

dude its halfwit...

The Franchise 05-09-2014 12:03 PM

Jeff Skversky ‏@JeffSkversky 10m

When the Eagles traded back from 22 to 26 last night they targeted Dee Ford a pass rusher from Auburn, but Andy Reid & KC took Ford at 23

keg in kc 05-09-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10615149)
Jeff Skversky ‏@JeffSkversky 10m

When the Eagles traded back from 22 to 26 last night they targeted Dee Ford a pass rusher from Auburn, but Andy Reid & KC took Ford at 23

I also heard this morning on the radio that there were reports out of Atlanta that the Falcons had been trying to trade up ahead of us for him.

KCUnited 05-09-2014 12:05 PM

We've ****ed the Eagles out of McCluster and now Ford.

ILChief 05-09-2014 12:06 PM

CP hates dee ford but wanted Dion Jordan

lcarus 05-09-2014 12:09 PM

This guy looks badass. Naysayers can eat a penis.

ILChief 05-09-2014 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10615154)
I also heard this morning on the radio that there were reports out of Atlanta that the Falcons had been trying to trade up ahead of us for him.

Not possible. I read here he was a massive reach

RunKC 05-09-2014 12:12 PM

This explains Dennard.

@TerezPaylor: One thing I'll file away for future evals: Dennard seemed like perfect press-man corner. BUT is 5-11 with short arms. Chiefs passed.

Agree that Ford was better pick. Pass rush always comes first.

keg in kc 05-09-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 10615163)
Not possible. I read here he was a massive reach

I think it was a reach. Other teams having interest doesn't change my mind on that. But it is interesting.

The Franchise 05-09-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10615168)
I think it was a reach. Other teams having interest doesn't change my mind on that. But it is interesting.

Thank God Lewan and Martin were gone.

keg in kc 05-09-2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 10615155)
We've ****ed the Eagles out of McCluster and now Ford.

We may have done them a favor with McCluster. Hopefully that's not the case with Ford.

keg in kc 05-09-2014 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10615169)
Thank God Lewan and Martin were gone.

Hear that, brother.

OldSchool 05-09-2014 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10615164)
This explains Dennard.

@TerezPaylor: One thing I'll file away for future evals: Dennard seemed like perfect press-man corner. BUT is 5-11 with short arms. Chiefs passed.

Agree that Ford was better pick. Pass rush always comes first.

Yeah, I had a feeling they would pass on him if he was there. Dorsey wants corners who have long arms and better speed than what Dennard has.

RealSNR 05-09-2014 12:24 PM

I remember when other teams were soooo totally going to draft Kawika Mitchell and Kris Wilson. We had to take them right then and there so we didn't miss out on them. Therefore, they weren't reaches at all

ncognito 05-09-2014 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully (Post 10615056)
Not sure if serious...

Hell no def not serious

keg in kc 05-09-2014 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10615191)
I remember when other teams were soooo totally going to draft Kawika Mitchell and Kris Wilson. We had to take them right then and there so we didn't miss out on them. Therefore, they weren't reaches at all

Cleveland had a real hard-on for Tyson Jackson.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-09-2014 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10614651)

The guy is a whiny bitch

Halfcan 05-09-2014 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 10613117)
What's not to like?

I would love to see him hit manning like he did those QB's in the highlight video. After game 6 last year-we had zero pass rush. Ford should change that. Great pick!!

carcosa 05-09-2014 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10615191)
I remember when other teams were soooo totally going to draft Kawika Mitchell and Kris Wilson. We had to take them right then and there so we didn't miss out on them. Therefore, they weren't reaches at all

Holy shit, Kris Wilson. I haven't heard, seen, or thought about that name in a long time. I feel like I just recovered a repressed traumatic memory.

Tribal Warfare 05-09-2014 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10614641)



Please, give it up. Guy will never see the field.


Dude, you know nothing is definitive in the NFL.

Discuss Thrower 05-09-2014 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10615219)
Dude, you know nothing is definitive in the NFL.

He was already a project before his knee broke. He missed a year for being a douche or something and he put up decent numbers in a weak conference.

I think, at best, he's a mirror of Fasano. Not spectacular in blocking or receiving.

Marcellus 05-09-2014 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 10615157)
CP hates dee ford but wanted Dion Jordan

I was actually cracking up thinking about that this morning.

The Franchise 05-09-2014 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 10615157)
CP hates dee ford but wanted Dion Jordan

Over Eric Fisher? **** yes. His usage in Miami is completely different then how he would be used here.

R8RFAN 05-09-2014 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 10614917)
Do you think Houston would be willing to draft another Carr? I don't think he will be a superstar but I would still prefer that the Raiders don't draft him.

I don't think they would draft another Carr.

htismaqe 05-09-2014 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10615219)
Dude, you know nothing is definitive in the NFL.

No, but history and statistics give us a CLEAR view of probability.

Baby Lee 05-09-2014 12:59 PM

FML - NFLN calling Clinton-Dix and Cooks the steals of the first round of the draft. My two halfway realistic wanna-wannas all along. And everyone is still discussing Manziel drafted between them and us.

saphojunkie 05-09-2014 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10615272)
FML - NFLN calling Clinton-Dix and Cooks the steals of the first round of the draft. My two halfway realistic wanna-wannas all along. And everyone is still discussing Manziel drafted between them and us.

We won too many games last year.

Ted Theodore Logan 05-09-2014 01:02 PM

I wonder if all of Dee's true fans will get free seats in the Ford Fan Zone on the horizon level at Arrowhead?

Halfcan 05-09-2014 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 10615214)
Holy shit, Kris Wilson. I haven't heard, seen, or thought about that name in a long time. I feel like I just recovered a repressed traumatic memory.

LMAO Just because you don't think about BIGFOOT-does not mean he is not still out there.

Just Passin' By 05-09-2014 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okoye35chiefs (Post 10614770)
Flowers trade?

Do you honestly think Flowers could net a 2nd rounder in a trade?

The Franchise 05-09-2014 03:17 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Dee Ford with his new #90 jersey. With John Dorsey and Andy Reid. <a href="http://t.co/mZ3owUJCnZ">pic.twitter.com/mZ3owUJCnZ</a></p>&mdash; Rachel (@KCChiefs_Rachel) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Rachel/statuses/464876302785196033">May 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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The Franchise 05-09-2014 03:17 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Dee Ford <a href="http://t.co/zlWBV946Nd">pic.twitter.com/zlWBV946Nd</a></p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/statuses/464876236850728961">May 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Franchise 05-09-2014 03:18 PM

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 15m

Ford on pass-rush moves: “This is the home of Derrick Thomas. I know you remember that speed. That get off is so deadly…” (1/2)

Ford, con’t: "I love the speed rush. I love the spin. Pass rush is an art form."

Ford on his goals: "Of course I want to be a Hall of Famer. But my short-term goal is I want to be a teammate.” Won't get ahead of himself.

Ford: “I watched Lawrence Taylor. I watched Derrick Thomas.” Also mentioned Ray Lewis and Glenn Dorsey

Rain Man 05-09-2014 03:18 PM

If you're not going to draft a quarterback, I think this is a pretty good pick.

mdchiefsfan 05-09-2014 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10615614)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Dee Ford with his new #90 jersey. With John Dorsey and Andy Reid. <a href="http://t.co/mZ3owUJCnZ">pic.twitter.com/mZ3owUJCnZ</a></p>&mdash; Rachel (@KCChiefs_Rachel) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Rachel/statuses/464876302785196033">May 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:rockon:

R8RFAN 05-09-2014 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10615620)
If you're not going to draft a quarterback, I think this is a pretty good pick.

Maybe a little bit of a reach at 23 but if he stays healthy and produces, it won't matter at all

Rain Man 05-09-2014 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10615619)

Ford: “I watched Lawrence Taylor. I watched Derrick Thomas.” Also mentioned Ray Lewis and Glenn Dorsey


Let's hope he watched Lawrence Taylor and Derrick Thomas more than Ray Lewis and Glenn Dorsey.

Discuss Thrower 05-09-2014 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3rd&48ers (Post 10615623)
Maybe a little bit of a reach at 23 but if he stays healthy and produces, it won't matter at all

I think once the draft moved past the 16th pick, the next 32 selections might as well be considered 1st round caliber players.


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