Sadly, yes, this is the main Chiefs forum.

It almost seems like there is nobody left to shout down any more. We need some new dumbasses in here that don't know they are dumbasses so they can learn what dumbasses they actually are.

But what are you gonna do.... they're just a bunch of dumbasses.

Dinny

I'd say if most teams in the NFL are basically letting teams score at will because they can't pressure the qb, and their secondary gets burned on 60% of plays they're gonna lose no matter who your qb is. Blaming Smith for defensive failures is absurd.

@LanceTHESPOKEN: Guys in front of me debating Chase's height.

Awesome. #Chiefs

This is an old rotten smelly chestnut. And very silly.

I agree, I hope and expect this offense to start where they left off, including getting Bowe much more involved.

@LanceTHESPOKEN: Bray is consistent. Strong arm, bad mechanics. #Chiefs


Bray is inconsistent. /cp

Are you naturally this stupid?

@LanceTHESPOKEN: Sean Smith pick Chase off. #Chiefs

Naturally.

:spock:

Too risky.

@ChiefsInsider: #Chiefs QB Tyler Bray has quite an arm. It will be interesting to see if he can become #2 behind Alex Smith.

WTF has this kid been doing in the offseason? I thought we had a QB coach on this team to help him with his throwing motion? We saw the same exact comments last year-seems he has made zero progress.

He is consistent.

[Twidwell] ‏@LanceTHESPOKEN 1m
I swear Chase disappears in that pocket when it closes on him. #Chiefs

That's all he's ever ****ing done for 4 seasons is not make mistakes.

Tyler Thigpen has almost as many career 300-yard passing games as Alex Smith.

Oh, I'm sorry. There was the New Orleans playoff game!!!!!111 Sweet, yeah, that one time I guess he did something besides just not make mistakes.

Tough shit.

Win a ****ing division game that's not the Oakland Raiders.

Lol. Arent we a little entitled. Did you forget how you felt going into last season? You expected to make the playoffs? The charger game was where the boys got hurt. The first denver game the defense did nothing. Alex played pretty well in all of those games.

Does our QB "just win games" or does he just leech off the success of his defense?

Which one is it?

Because one is worth 17+ million per year, and the other deserves less than 10.

And the Chiefs have to make that decision very soon.

9TDs no INTS in the playoffs. I guess it's more than one game where he doesn't just not make mistakes.

I explained this before.

Leeching? This team is built around your defense. The defense was non existent for the 3 week stretch of den sd, den, the offense scored an average of 30 points per game, the defense gave up 35. It wasn't alex Smith's turnovers or shitty play was it?

No, I'm saying outside of the last 8 games of 2013, can we trust Alex Smith to do something BESIDES just not make mistakes?

Not making mistakes is good, but by itself it doesn't ****ing win Super Bowls.

Sure you can. But at some point a team built around it's defense had to stand up. It never did. Brees couldn't carry his defense two years ago.

Now, our the second half offense and the first half defense. Then we can talk.

And has Alex Smith offered enough proof to you that he's the QB of the 2nd half offense?

Because I want him to REALLY prove it before I offer him that contract.

Of course he has. But I have watched him since 2006. And he gets better his second year in a system. He will be fine. The oline and secondary is what I worry about. Not alex. Btw. He's not with 17 mil. He is worth 5 years though.

Why is this useless dipshit at Chiefs camp?

Morning milk man!

If he had proven it, then no one would question it, and he would not have been replaced as the starter in SF and traded.

Only dumbass Alex Smith fanboys delude themselves into believing that he has proven anything.

Bray pooping his pants now.

Perfectly reasonable, its my firm belief that he will this year.

I think when someone has done something fairly regularly for the better part of three years, it's now who they are. Yes, the first half of last year Alex was cautious, overly so? Maybe. Look back at those games. He made the plays he needed to. The whole team was learning.

I think instead of fretting that Smith will go back into a perceived shell, we should be kind of happy we have a smart QB that CAN take risks, and knows when to take those risks.

There are plenty of QBs that take risks all the time and cost their teams games, and you know what? They put up amazing stats.

One day in of pads and half an writes off bray.

Who just won the Super Bowl?

What kind of games did Russel Wilson string together in the Seahawks playoff run last season?

As well, I hope that people would take into consideration that Smith was operating in a new system with an entirely new coaching staff and new personnel behind an offensive line that was effectively rookies with the exception of Albert.

His tight end was a rookie who was coming off a single year of very small college ball.

His receiving group absolutely sucked dog nuts. Worst in the league.

And you expected him to just start slinging the ball all over the place right from the get go?

The fact that he was "game managing" for the first half of the season was because he was basically forced to for all of those reasons above.

By the time the second half of the season rolled around, continuity began to develop and the offensive personnel were finally "getting it" and Reid/Smith was able to start opening up the passing game more.

Personally, I think that the guy performed small miracles every Sunday all things considered, and a major miracle during the Colts playoff game considering that Charles went out early.

I don't know what else you would/could expect from a guy in that position. Nine straight wins to start the season, an appearance in the playoffs in a game that should have been won if it wasn't for drops by one of the highest paid receivers in the NFL and a total no-show by a defense that boasted five Pro-Bowl players.

I think you are being completely unrealistic and your criticisms are totally unfounded.

Chiefs team report.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/team-re...0274--nfl.html


Mostly Q-but a good summary.

The defense not having a metric meltdown like never seen before would be a start....but but but the offense only put up 13 the 2nd half. There no one has to whine about scoring what would be an upper tier PPG margin if you average that all year.

It seems to me that Alex Smith is exactly the kind of quarterback that Reid, Dorsey and Clark Hunt want. He's the kind that wins. You guys can bitch all you want and talk stats but that's all they care about. They are trying to win right now.

I hate top be the one that breaks it to you but it's a lock that Alex will get a new contract and it's a lock that Daniel will be the 2014 back up quarterback. You don't have to like it but to expect any thing else would be foolish. Their idea of how to win the Superbowl is obviously very different than some of you guy's.

Horseshit.

The turnaround he led last year, facing all of the well hashed out obstacles before him in 2013 proved plenty... he didnt usually win pretty but he won, did anyone really expect him to make everything look like a well oiled machine right away?

I didnt even want the ****ing guy here to begin with, so I'm no fanboy... but I'm also not going to dismiss the steady hand that helped bring us back out of the basement.

I am not ready to write Bray off- and I think many are rooting for him on here. One of his knocks coming out of college was Bad mechanics and bad decisions throwing the ball. Now with a year under his belt-seems he still has a terrible throwing motion-according to the reports. :doh!: Did he not work on it in the offseason?

Maybe this is just how he throws- and everyone needs to get used to it. If he finally has a good understanding of the playbook and gets the ball to the WR's- I don't really care if he has an awkward throw, doesn't set his feet correctly ect. It is about results.

FTR- I still like him more than Chase- and I don't care if he looks like Bozo the ****ing Clown with his mechanics. He is far more talented than Checkdown Chase.

Um hmmm. What ever you say chum.

Colin Kaepernick was Jim harbs hands picked qb. The fact that retread hating dim wits refuse to acknowledge, and accept.

Not the first time it's happened.

Drew brees, phillip rivers, drew bledsoe, tom brady, brett favre aaron rodgers.

But please feel free to keep ignoring facts.

He's proven it to his boss, his talent evaluator and the guy who pays him. It doesn't matter what he has or hasn't proven to me. Either you buy into the whole organization or you don't. This isn't about Alex. It's much deeper than that.

When Clark hired Reid they agreed to build on what they had. When they hired Dorsey it was the same exact thing. This regime has never been about drafting a big time first round rookie quarterback and rebuilding. That should be obvious to everyone at this point. That has never been the plan and frankly they've done a great job putting this team back on the map.

- DAT is super fast in pads
- Harrison looks really good
- Dee Ford is everywhere


Those were the highlights so far, from the tweets.

If there had been a qb worth drafting at 1.1 they would have.

DAT is going to be problems for other teams.

Thanks

It seems like you could have ten threads out of this one thread.

When Cp doesn't originally want a player they will stomp their feet and whine like a small child to the end of time....All the while offering endless excuses for guys they took in the Cp mock or some shit ONLY THIRTEEN GOT DAN POINTS IN A HALF ERMAGAWD!!!!

This is a Training Camp thread- please keep the comments about Alex germane to what he is doing in camp or the up coming season.

His history and everyone's opinion on the trade that brought him here- have been covered ad-nauseam in several other threads.

Thank you-from all the people tired of hearing about what you think of the Alex trade.

Lol. I'm trying to ignore that. I really am. I get it. Alex Smith isn't the prettiest girl at the dance, but the chiefs are built around the defense, and Charles. Alex is perfect for this offense the way it's built.

Qft

Probably but they knew there wasn't before they were hired. Clark probably knew because Pioli had briefed him. I think all the NFL "people in the know" knew there wasn't a top ten quarterback in the 2013 draft by October of 2012.

Q

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He's got a full season to convince the management that he deserves a new contract, so we'll see!

How do you contend for championships without winning games?

How dare.

Mechanics are overrated. Manning has happy feet, rivers shot puts the ball, Favre was all over the place, Gannon side armed it. Some players just have bad mechanics.

You seem to get more grumpy and just ridiculously biased by the day old man.

Alex Smith hasn't proven any less than any of the QB's in the leauge that haven't won a SB.


If you could name one who has I would love to hear it.

@LanceTHESPOKEN: Chase nearly throws his 3rd pick of the day. Not a good day for the clipboard hosts so far. #Chiefs

Your undying love of Alex is well documented. Even by saying he is not the prettiest girl at the dance-we know that you DO think he is pretty and you love him. ;)

I am sure he loves you too!! :)

I do hope that Alex can build on the good things he did last year- and anyone that says he didn't add a LOT of positives to the team-including leadership-is being a hater. A Playoff win would be a great start to cement his legacy here and secure that big contract that he wants. I really would have loved the Chiefs to give him a few more weapons- but I guess they think some guys will improve and the D will be dominate?? Alex has a lot to prove and a lot of work to do to improve- I hope he gets it done!!

No he hasn't. The Chiefs and Alex's team are far apart on a new contract agreement. Apparently they appraise his value as something far lower.

He has proven that he's capable of making plays, on occassion.

He hasn't proven that he can consistetly play at a high level and raise the level around him.

Playing not to lose, as he has over the course of the last 3 seasons, can win games, but it puts your team into position to lose games, and that approach leads to playoff failures.

Your dumbass opinions are not facts.

I live in California.
I've watched Alex Smith.
He hasn't proven jack.

He showed signs of growth over the course of the second half of the season last year.
But he has to continue to grow before I'll buy into the idea that he's anything more than the mediocre QB he has been.

Alex Smith is exactly the kind of QB that the organization wanted to help stop the bleeding.

But this team is rebuilding.
They aren't doing the complete overhaul that fans are accustomed to.

They are doing it brick by brick.

Got a LT coming up for a new contract?
Get that new brick in place.

Got a high priced rush backer who's approaching the end of his prime?
Get that new brick in place.

Got a high priced corner?
Bring in that new brick.

These guys are rebuilding the foundation piece by piece.

Looking at the potential cap room next year, I doubt either side is too concerned and I think its good motivation for Smith to play out this year.

Dude, you're being BigChiefDave right now.

There's nothing wrong with expecting Alex Smith to throw for 4000 yards JUST FLIPPING ONCE in his goddamn career before handing him a 17+ million contract.

There's nothing wrong with expecting Alex Smith to throw for 300 yards in a game more times than can be counted on one hand before handing him a 17+ million contract.

And there's nothing wrong with blowing apart the incredibly fallacious notion that ANY QB or player "just wins games" so don't worry about how he does it!

I'm not ****ing saying Alex can't be the QB we need him to be. I'm saying based on the first 8 games of the season and his entire career before that, he's not.

What's wrong with saying that?

The Chiefs won a lot opf games during the 90s.
They never really contended for championships.

People underestimate around here how much of the 2012 season was a lack of good players versus a lack of players who just didn't give a shit anymore and a coach who couldn't draw a simple WR slant route if you converted his playbook into a Connect-the-Dots puzzle.

There were some bad players on that team, sure. Enough bad players to hold them 100% responsible for winning only 2 games? **** no.

Matt Stafford puts up 4000 (and 5000) yard seasons, I wouldn't take him over Russell Wilson.

This is simply not true. They didn't win a SB and after 93 dint win in the playoffs but they contended plenty of years. Having home field throughout the playoffs makes you a contender, it doesn't guarantee anything.

Some of you are just ****ed in the head with this stuff.

Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, John Hadl (who belongs in the HoF), just off the top of my head.

Wilson and Kap averaging 217 yards a game tell you to STFU.

There is no question he has talent and he looks the part. The question is how much he's got upstairs? If he wants to beat out Daniel he needs to read defenses well, check it down often, not turn it over and contribute in the film room. They won't keep two project quarterbacks over a legitimate back up. How many back ups are six foot six inches tall with a rocket arm? Not very many because none of that means shit as far as back up quarterbacks are concerned. If he played any other position the physical stuff would matter more. Bray is a longshot unless they keep four quarterbacks or put him on the practice squad. Out of all the positional competitions in camp I think quarterback is the most overhyped.

When you lose in the first round of the playoffs every ****ing time you play, except once, then you are not a ****ing contender.

:facepalm:

This is why I ****ing hate training camp mega threads. Football practices start up, they cause us to look at roster development patterns, which causes us to talk about the usual key cog to any successful roster-- the QB position.

By keeping training camp discussion in one large thread, that's the inevitable direction the conversation will go. So don't be ****ing surprised or pissed off when it does.

Stop this bullshit nonsense. It's training camp. Start a ****ing thread each day where people can discuss the practices. Got something really big happening? New thread. Some new wrinkle you found interesting? New thread.

The asshole n00b earlier was just bitching about how there are so few Chiefs threads there are. That's because when football season starts up people expect the Chiefs discussion to be contained in one single thread so it doesn't "clutter up" all the NFT. And that's ****ing reeruned.

There's a lot of Alex Smith sucks threads just for this! I came here to read about Chase Daniels sucking!

Hey you old ****er, I am talking about current QB's not guys you watched during middle age.

False.

Andrew Luck

Tony Romo

Matthew Stafford

I don't know that Kapernick will ever win a SB.

I just don't think he's good enough in the pocket, and I just haven't seen any real development there.

Russel Wilson, however, makes plays game in and game out, through the course of games, to keep the chains moving.

That, to me, is what separates Wilson from Smith, and except latter half of last season, and is the proof I need to see.

I do think that there's potential.
He did show that last year.

You didn't specify that.

Manziel on the field for the first time today.

Let the ESPN and NFL Network slob fest
begin!

I really like Luck but he hasn't proven anything yet except potential. He hasn't and to say different is silly. Is he likely going to be badass? Yea, but he hasn't proven that yet. Could happen this year.

And I literally LOL at the other 2.

Stafford has beat what 3 teams with a winning record in his career?

Romo has proven he kicks ass at getting to .500.