I find it very appropriate that this thread turned into a funeral pyre of Alex Smith butthurt.

Pffft, the tears of shame that Alex will create this season are going to be legendary.

Same here. No way do I need laptop. Work provides that.

I have a good job and a girl lol. 100 bucks on cable is craps until they let you select which channels you want I won't buy cable.

Who said Clark doesn't want to win, he has had two winning seasons in a row. Way to jump to a conclusion on something I didn't say. This team just isn't going to draft and develop a QB, they never have and they haven't even tried in over 30 years. It is what it is.

:D

They've drafted plenty of QBs, they just haven't drafted one in the first round.

So are you saying that Clark is behind his desk somewhere telling everyone they'll be fired if they try to pick a QB in the 1st round?

Is he screening GM and HC candidates by warning them they shall never draft one in the 1st, ever?

Clark looks around at most super bowl winning teams and sees that they have this thing in common, and he says "Nope!"

Come on.

They haven't really drafted plenty of QBs, either.

Murray (5th)
Stanzi (5th)
Croyle (3rd)
Killian (7th)
Barnes (4th)
Stenstrom (4th)
Matthews (7th)
Blundin (2nd)

Those are all the QBs we've drafted since 1990. 25 years for being as shitty as we have been at the position, and we've only drafted 8 guys throughout the 7 rounds. And half of those are 5th round and later "throwaway" QB picks.

When Alex Smith breaks down and we need a new QB, what are we going to do? Trade for another veteran? Are you going to say, "the sins of the team's past shouldn't hold down the decision making of the current team?"

That's what we said in 2013, and we're still without a first round QB.

There's a golden plaque behind his desk that says:

"Thou shalt not venture above round three".

Really.

Good post.

Dur, all the best talent for QB comes in rounds 4-7, everyone knows this!

"Andy Reid is different"

He already Carl Petersoned shit up by passing on Teddy Bridgewater in 2014. That's one strike. You can probably bet your ass he'll pass on some other first round QBs in the future, too.

The sins of the team's past DO become the sins of the team's future when they commit the SAME ****ING SIN over and over again.

No, that's not true; THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!/Lil' Chiefy

My best educated guess is they will draft a QB in the first 2 rounds of the 2016 draft.

Reid traded McNabb after the season he was 33yrs old. Alex is 31 now so I'd guess he would want to get a replacement in line to groom in the next year.

My best educated guess is that they will never draft a QB in the first 2 rounds. That's what all the evidence suggests.

Holy shit. LMAO


It doesn't have to be a black & white 100% refusal, but they are really good at setting themselves up for failure... when they're really bad, they focus on getting a retread in as quickly as possible to get back to mediocrity, and when they're mediocre, they're focused on at least staying mediocre.

It's only been a trend for 4 freakin' decades...

They will polish the turd known as Aaron Murray

As they should...but with him only under contract through 2017, it would be smart to draft real competition that can compete for the starters role in 2017.

If Murray wins the job, great.

Dorsey and / or Reid would not have been hired had they told Clark in any sort of interview setting "I (or we) believe in drafting a QB as soon as possible."

ROFL.....and then they drafted one in their 1st season.

Umm..

Matt Blundin FTMFW!

Our drafting of qb's has been ****ing garbage. I gave up on the Chiefs ever drafting a legit qb a long time ago.

Considering his collegiate record/conference he played in, it doesn't seem like a stretch to think Murray would've went in the second if he hadn't been injured.

Does anybody here really think we'll actually PLAN for life after Alex Smith?

When has this franchise ever ****ing done that, where they planned on the next QB before the last one was out the door?

Answer: NEVER

Clark grew up with the team being run that way. He watched it from his dad. Now he's in charge.

Do you really ****ing think Andy and Dorsey are going to draft a 1st round QB to take over after Alex Smith as early as next year? They've already demonstrated that they value loading up on shitty pass rushers you can find in ANY ****ING DRAFT in Dee Ford. They value drafting those types of players more than they do drafting players like Teddy Bridgewater.

If another Bridgewater falls to us in the draft, do you really think Andy and Dorsey will pull the trigger again when "they're just so close to being a top team in the NFL and need to maintain that success when they let other players walk/retire?"

Of course they ****ing won't.

Now how again are they ****ing different from Marty and Carl? Or Vermeil? Or Pioli with his ****toy Matt?

They're not.

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One could guess the plan is to Moneyball the QB position with Aaron Murray. Let him get acclimated physically, give him time on the bench to get the mental part down and see what he has in preseason. He's UFA in 2018, so either he's flipped to someone in a trade before that point or the team is able to work a deal better than the $700k he's going to top out at.


Problem is, I don't see how this is a good idea to find and develop a QBotF because of the money tied up in Smith until 2017. From now to that point, there's no incentive to get Murray reps with the first team against an opposing first team defense because Smith's contract pretty much means you have to do all you can to win with him under center.

What?

You mean we're allowed to leave???

I think you have to reach 50,000 posts before that option comes available...

When even a Rams fan knows that Murray was taken in 2014 and Bray was signed as an UDFA in 2013 along with Daniel to backup Smith in 2013. LMAO

bye

We can hope in one hand and shit in the other, per standard operating prochiefsure...

Thing is, they're not "polishing" anything. They've got the best prospects on the squad fetching donuts behind Chase "reliable turd" Daniel.

None of these people were involved in what happened in the 80s. That history has zero to do with Reid and Dorsey.

You guys really think Clark Hunt tells them he never wants a hotshot young QB because he wants to go 8-8 every year, because that's what he thinks makes him the most money?

I really would like to know if there are actual humans who believe this.

And don't try to tell me that Chase "reliable turd" Daniel is the only QB behind Alex on the roster that is "smart" enough to learn and execute Reid's jank-assed, short-bomb playbook.

Nope. Ain't buyin'.

Trying to draft a develop a QB takes time and opens you up for seasons which are well below .500. Teams that are consistently below 8-8 don't make money because no one wants to go to their games. It's too risky.

Similarly, if you do get a QB to pan out and he becomes all-pro level, it becomes incredibly expensive to retain said QB. It's too risky to have that much money tied up in just one player.

The Chiefs' two Super Bowl appearances came with a QB whom was acquired from another team. The last playoff victory came with a QB whom was acquired from another team. Drafting a developing an actual QBotF is not a priority to the ownership and is therefore not a priority with the rest of the front office.

Common sense tells us that there are probably no legitimate prospects to ever be NFL starters on the roster

LMAO

Really, do you think the Chiefs have ever lost money? That the team's profitability hangs on the gate receipts each week? The NFL's TV deals are collectively worth something like $40 billion

It's the simplest explanation why a franchise routinely avoids making a move to draft a QB in the first round.

It's too risky and too expensive.

The simplest explanation is that they had no confidence in their ability to select and develop one. The money is neither here nor there when you look at how they paid Jackson, Dorsey, or any of the other non qbs they drafted high.

Right. Clark doesn't want any part of all that revenue that winning the Super Bowl would bring in. He doesn't want a QB he'd have to pay 20 mill instead of 15 mill a year. He doesn't want to be able to raise ticket prices on the level they would after a super bowl. He doesn't want to sell all the new season tickets that would result or get any of the money it would bring in from sponsorships or premium seating and luxury suites or anything else. He doesn't want any of the associated revenue or merchandising or publicity for his team at all. He just sits in his owners box with binoculars counting butts on game day. He wants the vastly higher revenue stream that a middling team provides.

Is that about it?

Do you not realize that the salary cap is slotted now. No longer the gazillion $$$ contracts?

Your argument would have held water 5 years ago but not now.

There's a solution to that, you know.

And it starts above round 3.

And I have no doubt that if they are in need of a starting QB and there's someone worth taking at their draft position they have that year, they would do it.

Since the post you quoted says I don't think that, I'm pretty sure I don't think that... and I'm sure no one else does, either.

History also didn't have anything to do with Pioli or Carl/Herm or Carl/Vermiel, Carl/Marty, or most of the 80s... and here we are.

Just a really, really long string of bad luck, wrong place/time, etc, huh?

Well, the Chiefs seem to operate under the assumption that it's 1990, so you're saying they should change their logic in another 20 years or so?

That's the million dollar question isn't it?

What are they going to do to put the final piece of this team together?

IMO, it's the only reason worth hanging around.

They obviously feel that Alex Smith is good enough to get to the Super Bowl with, so you should probably sit back and enjoy the ride.

Think less Sam Bradford and more Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck and Joe Flacco.

There was a perfect opportunity to get a QB and let him sit for multiple years behind Alex Smith with Teddy Bridgewater...

But Dee ****ing Ford was picked instead.

It's that kind of thinking that takes a team naturally into 30+ year droughts without drafting a QB in the first round.

The point isn't about the outright refusal to draft a QB ever. You're right, that's not what's taking place. What IS taking place is the mantra of how this franchise goes about approaching QBs in the draft. In order to break the cycle, we're gonna have to be about changing the thought process of when it's okay to draft one.

And if Clark doesn't hire people who will do that, then guess where the buck stops?

I often feel that chocolate ice cream should rain from the sky in conjunction with M&M's. That doesn't stop me from realizing that the meteorological possibilities are, shall we say,...slim?

I doubt very much they feel that way.

:facepalm: God damnt.....that's what I get for doing work at the same time.

There are about 45 million reasons that say they do.

Exactly... some teams actually draft QBs, knowing they can get draft picks later if one develops into anything at all.

Then there are the teams who spend draft picks for other teams' unwanted QBs...

I believe they "feel" that they can win a play off game or two with Smith, and buy some time.

I have faith in Dorsey, and soon he will take the reigns 100% in these matters and do what needs to be done.

We are in need and there was. He now plays for the Vikings.

Were you also a "Geno at 1.1" disciple?

Does Todd Blackledge vindicate Carl Peterson for passing on Aaron Rodgers?

God forbid we draft a bust QB.

We already likely got a bust pass rusher on our hands and quite possibly a bust OT, but if it's a QB that busts?

DOOM!!!!!

Are you kidding? First they won't spend big dollars on a qb, then when they spent average dollars on a retread, that means they feel they can win the super bowl with him?

Jesus.

Almost every team in the league "passed on Aaron Rodgers".

That's not an excuse.

If you're an owner who wants to try getting a flashy young QB to build a dynasty, and you also want to bring him along with a pretty good coach and solid team behind him, you have to start taking chances on those QBs like Aaron Rodgers who fall to you.

You're not going to get back into the top 5 if you're obsessed with the veteran QB with the supportive defense.

"Most teams passed" is not an excuse. These are first round prospects on everybody's draft boards that are falling to us and we're content to draft shitty ****s instead. "Everybody else passed" is not an excuse for the Chiefs to not draft Aaron Rodgers. It's not an excuse for the Chiefs to not draft Teddy Bridgewater. Not when you're built the way we are and the way Clark envisioned when he sought to win immediately after 2-14 so he could get back his money through more butts in the seats.

What that tells me is drafting a really good QB prospect actually ISN'T that important to an owner.

What's been the worst case scenario for a team who drafted a QB early in the draft that didn't involve Oakland?

Would it be Washington and RG3? If so, isn't RG3 busting namely a product of the one of the worst owners in professional sports, Shanahan being a nutjob and RG3 being put in a position to get injured or exposed as a player?

If a team like KC in '14 -with a veteran QB the unquestioned starter, a great RB and a good to great defense with average guys everywhere else- drafted RG3 and let him sit for a season or two behind the starter, are they any worse off than if they did by reaching for a defensive player who was inconsequential in his rookie season anyway?

You don't think Reid and Dorsey believe they can win the Super Bowl with Alex Smith?

Why won't you answer Cochise's question?

I'm sure they believe there's a chance. He's here because he was their best chance at getting the team respectable again quickly. I don't think they view him as a likely super bowl qb though. Who would?

Because it's irrelevant to seeing it was advantageous to take Bridgewater instead of Dee ****ing Ford.

And, for the record, once Geno's character and work ethic concerns were publicized it made sense to pass on him at the #1 overall spot.

It made sense to pass on Geno Smith at 1.1 from day one.

It's irrelevant to the Thrower's argument, that's why.

LMAO

No.

Yes

Well, they traded what, 3 firsts and some change to move up from the top 10 to #2 and get him? Someone whose body was never going to hold up in the league and can't make the reads needed for a true NFL offense.

:facepalm:

I suppose the worst case scenario for a QB bust is that you set your franchise back 3-4 years and by then your roster has aged out, your GM and HC have run out of time, so you end up starting over after a housecleaning. Maybe draft pick poor because of what it took you to move up.

So RG3 would still be an unquestioned bust if he was picked by a team that only had to burn one draft pick to get him and had the benefit of sitting behind a veteran for at least two seasons to allow for enough time -physically and mentally- to get accustomed to an actual NFL offense?

There was absolutely no downside to drafting Bridgewater in '14. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. You draft Teddy and let him sit behind Alex for a minimum of two seasons with a supposed QB guru in Andy Reid getting him ready to take the reigns of the offense whenever he's deemed fit which would probably be the 2018 season.

AKA the exact same thing Green Bay did with Rodgers and Favre in 2005.. That decision made with John Dorsey heading up college scouting for the Packers at that time.

EJ Manuel was arguably the biggest QB draft bust since Washington and RG3. But that decision hasn't set the Bills back any, did it? They're in the ballpark of 8-8 with the possibility of Matt Cassel or Tyrod Taylor starting under center for them and have been given the same odds of winning the Super Bowl this season that KC has with a supposedly better QB and overall team.

Yeah. Manuel's failure as an NFL prospect really set back Buffalo, didn't it.

Jackonsville never really recovered from the abortion that was drafting Blaine Gabbert.

Or, your roster and team completely disintegrates because the current people in charge feel that their 2nd round QB is far superior to their former #1 overall, so they ship him off for two 2nd rounders, only to see their franchise break up in mid-air.

But what am I saying? That never happens!

Hey guy. If you piss away a first on a QB then your roster is depleted by not having the likes of Eric Fisher and Jon Baldwin!