No, cocksmoke2002...

Ray Lewis, Bubba Smith, Terrell Suggs, and Dick Butkus have all come right out and said that the NFL fixes games. The links to the quotes are posted in this thread.

Don't blame me because you're too ****ing stupid to understand words and their definitions...

the point was that people watch predetermined things for entertainment
and talk about it like its really happening.

thats how I can still watch knowing the outcome was already decided.

if the games were real,they wouldnt be decided in the last two minutes/final drive/final play as often as they are.
the 2 minute mark was designed purely for tv/commercial purposes.

Bill Burr summed it up so short and sweet.

So we can have an 8 month media circus about some balls PSI, but not a whisper of followup with Payton's wife being shipped banned PEDs? I'm sure she needed it for her bum shoulder she injured from removing all those baked goods from the oven over the years.

"Why would they even bother to throw the ball, if the outcome is predetermined already? What's the point if it's rigged?"/cocksmoke2002

Let me answer :

THE POINT IS TO MAKE MONEY, YOU ****ING DIPSHIT.

thats funny considering your avatar :D

do you not realize Trump is the Pat Paulson/ Ross Perot of the election?

he's purely there to mess with the voting numbers for people stupid enough to vote for him.

ROFL

Has ANYONE been watching the new season of South Park??

So, why does the NFL hate the Hunt family, because that's the only constant tie to the franchise since Super Bowl IV?

Ya I watched it all - unless they've just had new episodes in the last few weeks?

They might think it because they were butthurt over something, just like a butthurt fan. Unless they admit involvement or start naming names and specifics, it's all butthurt whining.

Because Len Dawson talked to the Feds??

The Jets are hated because of Joe Namath's "guarantee" - of course, he could 'guarantee' the victory with such drunken aplomb because...he knew that the fix was in.

Look what happened to Don Shula after he lost that game...

Maybe if we weren't talking about HOF (Lewis, Butkus) players, you'd have a point.

Also, that was merely to silence the "but someone would have said sumpin' crowd.

It's not proof in and of itself...but taken in with all the other evidence, it's pretty damning.

All you have is your OPINION that 'they're just butthurt'.

Tell me - what, exactly do Lewis and Suggs have to gain by being 'butthurt' after winning a SB??

or its actors playing their part in fabricated controversy.

billions of dollars))))))

Nah, the NFL shut that shit down pretty quick. Most NFL fans don't even know RayLew and Suggs called out the commish...

RayRay probably just didn't care - he's a millionaire and isn't going to go into coaching.

Suggs...is that guy even still in the league?? It's like he dropped off a cliff.

Idk.

All I know is...

THEY BROKE THE RULES!!

ROFLYou can't possibly believe this nonsense.

Exactly.

no hate at all,just an AFC team playing second fiddle after being gifted a merger SB win.

The world was against us and we still won!
They're idiots. I can't explain them much more than I can explain you. They can obviously shout about anything they want. There's no proof, logic or common sense behind it, just like your rants.

No, they haven't. They have OPINIONS that the NFL rigged games. Sore losers is what they really are, looking to blame someone. In case you aren't aware, opinions =/= facts.

against them? I picked Ravens to win and I still thought it was on the up and up at the time.(another case of all the cash on SF)
the lights went out and no one panicked. The commish didnt leave his box or nothing,didnt stand up, shocked.
and then a QB who had all of 12 games experience in 2 years almost made a comeback?

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Dan Moldea has made a career out of writing books touting conspiracy theories. He makes his living off of gullible suckers.

or he's the last actual investigative journalist :hmmm:

Like I said, gullible.

you are the one who believes a billion dollar organization is the up and up honest Pete.
what is a more gullible belief?
if the games were legit,no QB would be capable of playing into his late 30s.
if the teams played like separate entities more QBs and wide receivers would be carted off a heck of a lot more often..and never be able to come back a week later when they were. I know fake when I see it,I'm the least bit gullible.

So Dick Butkus' comment in the first 30 seconds of that video witnessed by Keith Olbermann is just bullshit and they're both gullible suckers?

Okay, ya that all came out in the fall. The entire season is one of the best of SP.

than why did the organizations need to take Moldea to court and attempt smear campaigns if he didnt know what he was talking about?

all you have to do is call someone crazy and its a dismissive,you arent important type of statement. For some reason they had to go further.

thats what Dave Chappelle said when he didnt want to do exactly what hollywood wanted for him to make multiple millions.

he said no,..so they started all sorts of drug rumors etc.
and said he went nuts. Nothing they said was true but it served the purpose it was supposed to

Before I answer I want to clarify that I believe certain games are fixed not each and every.

As for my answer,GAMBLING...been betting sports for 30 + years and make annual trips to Vegas and I don't think anyone can even begin to wrap their mind around how much money is wagered on a single game both legal and illegally.

You're crazy.

is it Irony?

I never realized how funny it was to name a team the Gamblers back then :D

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I don't like their chances, Bob.

Have you ever read this book on the history of Arrowhead Stadium

Very interesting read.

You mean the comment where he kept grunting? Yeah, real credible. How many hits to the head did he take?

All you have is opinions from a few players out of the thousands that have played in the NFL (take any group of people and you will find all kinds of opinions), and a guy that writes conspiracy theory books. Not at all impressed.

No,not that comment. :rolleyes:

how the hell is taking on Teamsters and the LAPD a conspiracy theory?

and why would they take him to court and smear campaign him if he was wrong?

No, cliff's notes?

just try to skip all the two and three letter words

A NYT review of Moldea's book that the nuts are citing:

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/03/bo...e-conduct.html

But there is too much sloppy journalism to trust the bulk of this book's 512 pages - including its whopping 64 pages of notes.

You should read the entire review. You should also know that Moldea sued them for libel over the review and lost.

Dan Moldea is a con man. I've read a couple of his books. I believe RFK was killed by a conspiracy, but even a believer like me can tell his book about it is pure crap.

There's a segment in the book which covers the union work stoppage on the stadium after the inaugural game had already been sold out and how Lamar sent his brass to get it worked out.

Purely speculation but who the hell really knows besides those involved what was agreed to in those meetings.

The NFL like any other major corporation is big business.

lol did you pay attention to the interview? the ny times was obviously commissioned to smear campaign his book.
what the hell does losing in court have to do with truth? it has to do with who has the most pull.

again,..why even take the guy to court if he doesnt know what he's talking about?

you have no idea who the actual con man is.
horse players and gamblers started the nfl but yeah..somehow they wanted this to be the legit business?

LMAO
You're not even good at trolling.

There is luck, but maybe you just have to come to the realization that the Broncos are that good. The Ravens, Steelers, Patriots, are just that good.

you arent good at interpreting details.

youre the one who believes a kicker misses way wide from point blank range after hitting plenty of longer FGs.

your the one who blieves the Seahawks won a game after not even converting on 4 fourth downs and turning the ball over.

youre the one who believes a WR can head-but a CB,neither gets kicked out of game, he then makes a catch or 2 that almost win the game and you dont hear anything after about either player on concussion protocol after

he's not supposed to know he's coming and yet he never fell down :hmmm:
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I read the entire review because I want to be informed on both sides and interestingly enough the review ends with....

There may well be some insidious connection between the wise guys and the N.F.L. Then again, there may not. ''Interference,'' with its errors and unfounded insinuations, does not settle the issue. Mr. Moldea raises the questions, but has blunted his own sword of truth.

Ok so according to the writer Moldea made some mistakes but yet he still writes there may or may not be shady shit going on which is where I've been at through this entire discussion.I'm not going to call anyone ignorant for not believing hell I don't want to believe it either but after 30+ years of watching and gambling on the game I love I'm sure as hell not going to say it's a batshit crazy notion either.

'luck' or 'that good' dont last for 15 years straight in the real world.

its because the league chooses to reward those owners in that way.

This isn't true.
But even if it was, which it isn't, what would that (from 1920) have to do with now?
Actual casinos that used to be rip-off joints or run by the actual mafia (as recently as the 80s) are now legit corporations.

Damn that's interesting

not true? its exactly true.

all original owners had track and mafia ties. you need to stop taking your sling shot to this gun fight bro.

oh my God..are you serious? you think Casinos arent in fact still rip off joints? you think its some nice legal family/corporate business now? Do you understand reality on any level at all?

everything in Vegas is expressly there to rip off the public. Thats its entire main goal. Jesus Christ, Dude. Drink some reality juice for once lol

They had "ties." :rolleyes: One guy was from New York--and there's mafia there! You don't know what you're talking about.
And, no, I don't think casinos are cheating.

So who is the fixed team winning the SB?

Carolina for doing their part in the first 2 SB's for Brady/Manning wins?
New England for the SB record for QB's for Brady?
Arizona for Arians/Fitzgerald?
Steelers for the Rooney's?

Casinos don't need to cheat. Slots have a built in - and legal - profit margin. In other betting the casino gets their cut of the winnings. In Nevada this is all open and known beforehand, controlled by the Nevada Gaming Commission. And everyone gambling knows that, or should.

smelly pitts is either a total moron, or a total troll. Probably both.

you have done no research and your counter is invalid.

you're like the guy on Better Call Saul with the red and yellow flame SUV.
Completely clueless to reality.

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I just find it interesting that when one's personal idealism is contested..the manner they go about preserving it. Outrage...denial...hostility.

Now we have people defending casinos....yes, I know..it sucks when you realize you've been duped.

Shit, I wanted the NFL to be a real mano a mano competition too...but it appears to be just a manufactured racket.. orchestrated for profit. Sucks for everyone except them.

Over the last 30 years I've won more than I've lost in casinos. And I have gone to Vegas and Reno a lot.

I know to quit when I'm ahead. In 2012 I won $5400 on the Mega Bucks the first morning I was there, the first slot I played, within 10 minutes of sitting down. I put that money in the safe. I only gambled the rest of the trip with the money I had already planned on playing with. And I go with a set amount I'm willing to lose and stop when I've lost it. I have come out ahead or even more times than I have lost.

none of that shows Vegas not to be corrupt nor whether games are staged or not.
ok,great,youve been a tad smart and havent gone to zero. but you chose to play games they make sure you will lose otherwise Vegas would serve no purpose and go bankrupt.
when millions/billions are involved there is no purity behind it.
Vegas was built to cover corruption and that has never changed.
why does America make sure theres only one Vegas?

they make you travel there,lose money and then travel back. It stimulates the economy and rips you off at the same time.
how gullible can you be to think Vegas is some up and up normal organization?
it is and always will be corrupt

That's the real foundation of all this... Last years team was the best KC had in a very long time, and they put themselves into a hole early that they nearly crawled out of, but didn't.

YOU are criticizing me for proof? When your entire argument falls down under the weight of its own impossible stupidity? The entire NFL is just scripted? :LOL:

No they haven't. The last time you trotted out this lie I explained to you how you were being either dishonest or unintelligent. So at this point it's a purposeful lie.

I don't believe they rig games but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

Blackop, Rabble and PGM introduced us to 'WWE Theory' long before Denver even went to the SB.

But is it really a theory? No, it's fact.

What the hell is going on up off in here?

(I haven't read the thread)

Dinny

Yes, that is what they SPECULATED. Precisely what they speculated. And they had nothing more than that -- speculation.

Power outages have happened at all kinds of venues in all kinds of situations. I remember a STanley Cup back in the 80s (Bruins/Edmonton), but there was no conspiracy there because Edmonton was ridiculous and the Bruins never had a chance.

But let's pause here and turn on our brains for like, half a second. The Super Bowl is a blow out by halftime (like that is somehow rare). But this ONE time, the NFL wants to try to make it more competitive. So they decide to have the refs give some calls to the other team? No. They decide to HAVE A POWER OUTAGE.

First, how does that compute? Who would think "you know how to get those guys back in the game? A nice, long, totally embarassing and and humiliating power outage!!"

"But how do we make this happen Rog?"

"errr....quick, get some electrician to do it. Pay him a million dollars so he never tells anyone, even his boss. And pay the security guards to let him through and pay them a million each too. yeah, yeah!"

"But, umm, it's totally random. It may not help the team come back at all"

"yeah, do it anyway."


What....the....****.


BUT, let's put ALL that aside.

If the NFL is entirely scripted, why would it even have been necessary? Shouldn't the Ravens have known they needed to put on a good show? Why kill power?

BUT let's put THAT aside also.

Plenty of Super Bowls have been blow outs, including the shellacking of the Broncos just a couple years ago. Why no power outage or terrible calls there to make the game competitive? WHY DIDN'T THE SEAHAWKS FOLLOW THE SCRIPT?

Probably because it makes no goddamn sense at all.

Was that the official transcript?

Your argument would make waaay more sense if it made any sense at all.

Just think about how many people would have to be in on the fix, and yet nobody with an ounce of actual knowledge has said anything? SUre, a game here and there? I can believe that.

The entire NFL is like the WWE, that's complete nonsense.

I have to admit it does seem a bit staged looking at the last 15 years.

Patriots win right after 9/11?
Saints win right after Katrina?
Bettis wins a SB in his hometown in his last game?
Ray Lewis wins in his final season after his team sucked ass in the last month of the regular season?
Only 18-0 team losing in dramatic fashion?
Manning getting his final SB while breaking the record for wins in that last game?

It does seem a bit tilted to the best possible story lines to get people watching. I just can't believe it's rigged though. Maybe bc I want to believe in honesty and the Chiefs being able to win.

Exactly

If other teams had won, you'd have just as compelling story lines, just different ones.

"Giants (or Jets) win the Super Bowl right after 9/11"
"Patriots win 19-0 to complete a perfect season."
"Miami wins Super Bowl right after [pick a hurricane, there's no shortage to choose from]"

As for Ray Lewis, there are a handful of guys who retire every year WITHOUT winning the Super Bowl. What did the NFL owe Ray Lewis that they would give him that prize?

As for Manning winning the SB, why Manning but not a dozen other QBs who limped out of the league? Pretty much EVERY other QB, in fact.

You can spin anything any way you want it.

The Saints didn't win right after katrina.
Tons of players win the Super Bowl in their last game.
If the SB was a tribute to 9/11, would a NY or Washington team win?

Dozen other QB's? Like who?

This is a good point. Like I said before, I don't think it's rigged, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was.

If it was rigged, then you would think we'd win one soon. Andy is one of the best coaches in the league and deserves one. Surely in that scenario they'd hook him up.

Wow. Some of you guys must be able to look at the screen and type at the same time. It just amazes me how some people can do that.

It would take me half the morning to hunt and peck some of the posts you guys are making.

Many props.

Dinny

Why wouldn't the Giants or Jets win the SB after 9/11? Was there a 5th plane I'm not aware of that knocked down buildings in Biston?

The Saints didn't win "right after" Katrina. Not unless you consider 5 years later right after.

There is one of these dumb ****ing threads every year and the same reeruned douchebags spit their nonsense all over ad nauseum. All it does it prove how ****ing dumb they are, but they'll continue to jerk each other off all offseason. The next time one of these jackasses makes a post bitching about Andy Reid's play calling or Bob Sutton's game plan, I hope they choke to death on their own hipocrisy. Bitching about a game you think is rigged is one if the stupidest things on this board.

Marino and Kelly are the big two that come to mind. Never mind going out on top, they never won it all EVER.

Montana going to KC and bringing home a SB win as he rides into the sunset, giving KC its first SB win in 20 years would have been a great story. Instead, the Bills beat the Chiefs and then get killed by the Cowboys in a pretty boring SB.

Brett Favre was very popular, but he never got the bookend SB win did he? In fact, he only won one in his VERY long career.

Who else DIDN'T win the Super Bowl their final season? Let me think. Maybe it's:

Bradshaw
Staubach
Aikman
Unitas
Young
Tarkenton

Then you get into the very good but not elite QBs. Same thing. NO prize for Fouts, Moon, Esiason, Testaverde, etc. ad infinitum.


Basically, EVERYONE other than Elway, and now Manning IF he retires.

These are my favorites that always get trotted out for some reason.

What do the New England Patriots have to do with attacks that took place in NYC, Washington, DC, and a plane crash in Pennsylvania?
You know, all those places actually have teams.

The Saints won "after" Katrina...that is true...5 years later.

But dey wuz being punished. Kelly for going to the USFL and Marino, because reasons.

PATRIOTS are PATRIOTIC

Get it?

If the game was rigged I doubt Denver gets blown out in Superbowl 48
Not sure how the league benefits from people turning the game off halfway through the 3rd quarter

People see what they want to see

I saw a game I'm sure was rigged. The QB threw a pass to a receiver and the ball was a little out of his reach and he couldn't catch it. I mean, right!
Another time, an RB was running and got hit really hard and he dropped the ball. They are paid not to do that! This shit doesn't just happen.
Plus the team had won several games in a row, and then they just suddenly lost? Out of nowhere. It was in the playoffs against another good team, but I mean, come on...

It's called "cognitive dissonance", and it's what happens when one is confronted with proof of a truth that runs directly against their own idealism.

I don't even see how fixing the SB winner really helps the NFL that much anyway. The tickets are sold, ad slots sold out and set. What's really the difference to them who wins?

If you want to argue next year's marketing, it would seem that having new star Cam Newton win would be more beneficial than Peyton, who will likely not even be in the league next year and who has something of a HGH scandal hanging over him.