But the canon.

Eh. I mean, i can get sticky about the canon sometimes. I guess I'm just kind of selective about it.

And the Gorn was always a pet peeve of mine from the first time I saw the original episode. Always thought the Gorn could've been so much more scary, but they chose to make them slow and kind of dumb, like the original '60s zombies. plodding along so slow that even my mother could outrun them.

Fast, kind of intelligent zombies are way more fun. Which is kind of how I see the new Gorn. Faster, smarter, and ultimately far more interesting and scary than the original.

I guess what 'm saying is, yeah i know they played pretty fast and loose with the canon, and they have to be careful about that, or they will turn the series into another Discovery POS. But in this case, I don't mind what they did, because it gave the ST universe another good adversary to work with.

I'm disappointed that a 'season' is ten episodes instead of twenty six...

No shit. The f/x are movie quality and that likely eats up a ton of budget, but the writing has earned at least another 5 episodes per season. But no more singing episodes, tyvm.

i think they were worried it wouldn't make any $$$. I remember Dane McCloud saying one time that the ST series weren't making any money. discovery was apparently a financial disaster, and before that DS9 did badly, and of course so did Enterprise.


They might've decided to go with fewer episodes in case it tanked as well.


Hopefully SNW is doing well, and they decide to up the number of episodes? Be great to have 20 or so.

I'd rather see a rotation of 4 shows with 12 episodes a piece. That would cover 48 out of the 52 weeks in the year. For the remaining 4 weeks.... one Trek based movie/mini series that covers known events in the ST universe but from a different perspective or possibly advance new story lines in the series.

We get a 4 episode mini-series that gives Enterprise an actual send off.

Sisko returns.

Admiral Kim and a retired Tom Paris stumble across a, seemingly, new species only to find out that it is the amphibious monsters he fathered with Janeway coming to look for them.

One could involve Worf once again finding the Sword of Kahless and the path that takes him on.

Bashir gets a urgent message from Garak saying there has been an outbreak of a mutated strain of Rigelian Fever that is killing a bunch of people in Cardassia. He calls up his buddy Miles and all 3 team up to find that the fever was created in a lab in Wuhan Bajor by a former resistance member for whom the war isn't over.

I'll gladly watch a 4 episode mini series of Quark stepping up because the Breen have launched an invasion of Ferenginar. We finally get to see what the Breen look like under the masks. I'm betting they are actually Andorians that split away from the homeworld.

They've been close to that, if you count the cartoons (5 shows, 10 episodes). They did slow it down this year by cancelling Prodigy and punting Discovery to 2024.

It occurs to me, T'Pol should still be alive in the timeframe of SNW. And I think Phlox should be too.

Just started watching this.

I have no real feel for canon or anything. Seen all the movies; a handful of TOS, handful of TNG and really that's about it. 'Casual Fan' may be overstating things.

But Anson Mount is awesome and a sort of spiritual predecessor of Kirk is just a cool-ass role for him.

First two episodes in and I really like it. I realized at the end of the first episode that it actually picks up where a different show left off (Discovery) but it also doesn't seem like Discovery was all that good so I'm not likely to go back unless it seems necessary.

Never watch Discovery. It is atrocious. All that you need to know about it for the purposes of this show is that Pike saw his unfortunate future in it (as depicted in TOS).

Despite some silly griping here at times, SNW is arguably the best version of Trek since DS9 in the mid 90s (and at a minimum, Enterprise in the early 2000s). There are some duds in it but some great ones as well (including in particular the S1 finale) and a pretty consistent quality level.

the parts with Anson and the rest of his crew were the best parts of Discovery. By far. Worth the watch. Definitely you get that Kirk vibe right off the bat. Skip the rest of Discovery.

It has been a very good show. A breath of fresh air for the franchise. Definitely worth a watch. There has been legitimate criticism in this thread when the show runners do something stupid, like slapping the name of a classic "monster" on a new concept for instance, because it's weak and lazy storytelling. Most of us who are long time fans of the franchise don't care for weak, lazy storytelling and would rather that the show live up to its potential - because it certainly has great potential. Enjoy.

Yeah, just trying to do some Wikipedia surfing to see what I might need to know and I find out 'Wait - the captain is a mutinous former first officer who started an interstellar war that's led to the deaths of millions. And Starfleet is like - 'eh, bygones. You can be the captain of this cool new ship'...no thanks, I'm out"

That show looks friggen awful. They time jump midway through to try to salvage it I guess? Wtf?

Arena Gorn is either a) a parallel species to the SNW Gorn a la the Aenar to the Andorians

or

b) a geriatric Gorn that has grown extremely fat and less agile.

I assume that was the intent behind that move (in addition to providing an explanation about why Spock's "sister" was never mentioned), but it made the show exponentially worse. I think there's a decent argument Discovery is one of the worst shows on television at this point. I also assume CBS has recognized it sucks because they're mercifully ending it next year.

Whatever option helps people get over that potential blow to the canon easier. We absolutely can't upset the canon.

Ethan Peck as Spock was inspired casting, lol

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"Four and a half Vulcans to beam down."ROFL

Gregory Peck's Grandson

The look Spock shoots Pike LMAO

The scene where they were walking down the hall really cried out for the Kill Bill music. LMAO

No more Musical episodes, okay, SNW? Can we get on the same page there?

It does tend to get a little TOO lighthearted at time; little too jokey. The tone is all over the place. But that's about the only complaint I have about it.

The crossover episode with Below Decks was pretty damn funny. And there were a few killer episodes in there. It's just that they get pretty goofy at times (the Spock body switch episode, for instance).

Looking forward to S3.

That's definitely intentional but I can't say I have a problem with it. Trek traditionally has never been serious all of the time (other than Discovery which was absolute dreck).

I can't say that I've seen every episode of the OS (though I might have; used to watch them after school) and I don't remember them being quite that cheesy even at their goofiest. Then again, time probably has something to do with that; I gotta imagine the tribble episode was seen as goofball dreck before it was seen as a classic.

I watched most of TNG over time and certainly don't remember that kind of tonal shift. It seemed to be the most high-minded of all of them. I would've been surprised if those folks would debase themselves. Then again, the Sherlock episodes weren't exactly super serious. So yeah, maybe you're right.

TOS was full of cheese (Tribbles was an example of it where it was done quite well, but there were plenty of episodes where it wasn't).

And I think you'd be surprised on a rewatch of TNG just how many light episodes of it there actually were (for just one example, there was one episode late in the series which consisted of several of the characters being transformed into children). Those generally aren't my favorite, but I think there is a time and a place for them.

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This ridiculous episode at least gave us this Worf line.

The difference is the characters used to take themselves seriously. In fact a lot of the humor is derived from taking those serious characters and putting them in a ridiculous situation (see both examples above). Now all the characters are quippy dumbasses. In some ways this show is more of a cartoon than Lower Decks. At least Lower Decks takes their plots seriously.

If you don't think this show is capable of being serious (and doing it well), I'd suggest watching the finale of S1 again.

I also personally liked the Klingon defector episode best of S2 (with one of the darker endings Trek has ever done), but the Lower Decks comedy crossover was also great. Couldn't be much tonally different than those two (back-to-back) episodes and they worked very well for different reasons.

Yeah, the defector one was outstanding. The sort of Its a Wonderful Life episode where Pike gets the visit from his future self was really good as well, IMO.

Definitely more good than bad, don't get me wrong. Probably my favorite Trek show (I still prefer the two newer reboot movies to anything else in the Trek universe, though -- they're just really good).

Yeah, that was the S1 finale with Pike's future self, the episode that pretty much confirmed for me that we were seeing the best Trek since DS9 aired. It's obviously not perfect and there have been some bad ones in its run, but I think it's about as close to the old Trek as anyone is ever gonna get.

It's also just sort of satisfying to watch new episodic (rather than serialized) television like it used to be.

They have had a couple of episodes that were as good as any other series. Some misses too. I also like the episodic format. I'll keep watching/

The writers are missing a huge opportunity to make Nurse Chapel as the source of the "Vulcan Love Slave" holonovels.