Well whatever it is, it's quite underwhelming. I don't care if my meat or potatoes have been frozen.

In n out fries are extra bad. The burgers are simply mediocre.

Ok

So when do people stop going out to eat?
 

Correct, especially on the fries. Chik-fil-A fries are also bad. I like waffle fries but theirs seem devoid of seasoning and are never crispy enough.

I just don’t care for chik-fil-a at all, although I’d rate their shitters pretty close to right up there with Kohl’s.
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Bass Pro Shops tho 🥰

But y'all gotta get that animal style.

We talking about food, or shitters, sis?
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Religious people clean poop the best.

I mean at bass pro they hang catfish over the urinals, so there’s that.
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Oh, I see what you’re saying but let’s not send this to dc
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Oh it's a joke hopefully no one is mad...

I'm dead. I took it as religious people are very obedient. 🤣 wow

No biggie to me brother.
I’m saying for as crowded as it always seems to be, the shitter is clean.
But the sammie is no different than any other fast food place imo.
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You took that from me?
I need to put my joint down.
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No wonder the Costco food courts are so packed these days. Those $1.50 hot dog and drink combos are a great deal compared to anything else.

Went to a local taqueria down the street last night for dinner.

2 chicken street tacos a la carte.
1 Bean, Cheese, and Rice burrito.
1 Nachos.

Almost $35 even. Kinda unreal considering I ordered the most basic order.

You don't go to In-N-Out because its "that good", you go when you don't want to spend $10 on the good burger at Five Guys, but you also don't want to buy a burger from McDonalds either.

Will never be able to reconcile a chicken taco

How do you reconcile the fact that chicken quesadillas are amazing smushed tacos?

Yeah, that's exactly how I see it. It's not a bad option if you only have $5 for a meal.. and you can just animal style the fries so they aren't bland pieces of cardboard.

Yet there's a cult following of "off the plane at LAX and straight to In N Out!!!".... I mean, you just spent a hundred dollars or more flying to LA, you could splurge for dinner and go to The Habit, Smashburger, Five Guys, or any number of local burger joints. :shrug:

Tommys 🥰

Everything at Chik fil A is bland as hell. I really don't get the appeal. It's not bad, but it's certainly not worth the long drive through lines at busy times.

Does not compute

I tried the habit, maybe twice. I think both times weren’t that memorable. I think I should give them a try again at some point.

STFU and get back in there! The Habit is fantastic.

I can understand people being upset that eggs cost a lot more than they used, but spending one buck on two eggs is a pretty inexpensive start to a meal.

I do a couple of eggs and hash browns for lunch once or twice a week.

The eggs are fried in about a tablespoon of butter and the hash browns in olive oil and I add pepper but no salt.

Cheaper and probably more healthy than almost anything at a restaurant that is loaded with salt and is going to have far less healthy frying environment.

basic becky and wypipo chikn

Hey, who has the best fried fish sammie?

Wish Mahomes would open one in Clearwater!!

Popeyes has one now...

Did the same this morning. Two eggs over-easy with hash browns and toast. Eggs less than 20c each made it palatable. Hoping more chickens come online to lower the price even more.

Culver's Walleye, available now during lent, is really good.

Chips are just potato jerky.

Funny story: I'm on a road trip and my wife was going to take me to Five Guys for my birthday lunch. However, there was some unexpected thing at the restaurant that shut it down. So I never got it.

Fast forward a few days and she said that she would make it up by taking me to In and Out since we'd never been there. So I was willing to spend the $10 on the good burger at Five Guys, but was burger-blocked.

We were both trying to figure out the fries. Were they old, or were they not cooked properly, or were they really supposed to be kind of limp and soft? We decided that they were really supposed to be limp and soft, and that didn't work for us.

In other news, we discovered the best enchilada sauce on earth during our road trip. If you're ever traveling in rural southern Arizona, stop at this place and get a burrito with green enchilada sauce. You will not regret it. In fact, we planned our route to stop here a second time on our way home just to confirm that the first time wasn't a fluke. It's possibly the best Mexican food that has ever crossed my lips.

Avoid the salsa because it's hot, but the green enchilada sauce is uniquely sweet and tart. My wife and I think it's got a lime base or something.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/isabel-s-so...border-willcox

I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, but I feel like you didn’t understand my post.

For one thing, calories in/calories out is simply tracking the amount of calories you’re taking in as opposed to the amount of calories you’re burning. You could lose weight on a diet consisting solely of donuts.

The rest of your post just basically reiterates my second paragraph. You’re not likely to lose weight while eating trash processed foods, which is where most people struggle, because they’re full of calories and not as filling.

I don't eat at restaurants much because it's impossible to know what you're actually eating. I remember the "heart healthy" menus at various casual restaurants were anything but heart healthy when analyzed.


I will also add that frozen entrees at grocery stores are the worst. Costco and Sam's amplify this significantly.


I once bought "healthy" chicken tenders at one of the warehouse stores. Minimally processed with some breading. Not the processed precooked stuff.


Holy Crap! They were salt bombs. Never again.

Everyone here is a YUGE cock gobbler when it comes to food and fitness

Theres only one way, THEIR way

My favorite quesadilla is from Flash Taco in Chicago. They’re a total 24 hour, post-bar closing, 6 hours later loose stool factory but if you order the carne asada quesadilla to-go, and they don’t know you, they ask where you live.

If you answer outside of a handful of blocks away they won’t sell it to you due to the risk of deteriorating optimal consumption. It’s like their one pride item, basted in butter, a succulent marriage of greatness, and to their credit you have about 10 minutes to rejoice in it before it transitions into an entirely different and lesser food thing.

IYKYK

Can somebody checkout Denny's and report back?

Hanging on by a thread here. Can't find anyone to work and the service sucks as a result. The last time we went, we waited 20 minutes for someone to acknowledge us and they weren't even busy

Well maybe I did misunderstand. I thought you were saying just because they were quick to eat. I didn't see you say anything about being less filling.

And certainly at some level it comes down to calories in versus calories out and if someone is eating too much they should cut back.

But this can still be simplistic. For instance, an overweight, middle age person might cut their calorie intake by 100 calories a day and their body might respond by burning 100 less calories just while doing things like sitting in a chair...

Once a body has accustomed to a higher weight it can fight weight loss by slowing down the resting metabolism.

So reducing the calories in can reduce the calories out. No, it isn't always that simple for everybody but trying to reduce it to simple phrases isn't really accurate either.

From what I've been told about the In N Out fries take is that "It's healthy" since they watch them cut the potatoes from a potatoe, fry em, and thats it. Whenever I get there frys I have to get animal style and some spread just because again, there frys are so shit. But I have grown accustomed to the animal style fry.

Thinking about Frys... I just had Wendy's frys tonight, they were pretty damn good.

I’m not sure who in particular this is directed toward, but I imagine it’s not me because I am not saying there is only one way. I’m actually saying there are many ways to do it, but ultimately they all boil down to calories in/calories out.

Going low carb, high protein, intermittent fasting, paleo, etc., the idea at the end of the day is to restrict you calories so that you’re burning more than you’re taking in.

I didn’t say “less filling” but that was my aim with the chips and soda talk. You can sit down with a bag of Doritos and a Coke and 15 minutes later you’ve taken in 500 calories but you’re still hungry- because that processed crap is super high cal but not filling. On top of all that, processed foods are more likely to cause cancer. It’s basically the worst combination of shit you can eat.

Denny’s has really good pancakes.

But that's still calories in vs calories out. I don't think anyone is claiming that your calories out will always stay the same. All kinds of things will modify calories out in both directions. It's up to the human to be smart enough to continually adjust calories in.

Aldo, for what it's worth, people generally conflate leaneness and weight with overall health. However, if you are eating only three donuts a day, you might lose plenty of weight but your health will shit. It's all a big balancing act.

For sure. I didn’t want to be a douche to anyone on the board who struggles with their weight, but you generally only hear that “it’s not that simple” from people who struggle with their weight. It’s an excuse. Unless your body ignores the laws of thermodynamics or some shit, you’re probably just underestimating the amount of calories you’re taking in and/or overestimating how many calories you’re burning.

And, yeah, I would not recommend anyone try a diet of only donuts lol I just wanted to make a point

Arby's. Hands down.

He's super sensitive to stuff on this board.

Just don't tell him that, because... well, he's super sensitive.

I go back and forth with it, because thee are studies out there on how some people do far better on keto diets and others do far better on higher-carb diets... plus the body adjusting metabolism a bit as you mentioned.

And as someone who's tried to trim down the beer gut from time to time, I know how easy it is to underestimate calories in if you aren't anal about counting calories... but I think there's also some truth to it not being simple either.

I'm on your side here, guess that didn't come across

I stopped talking fitness and nutrition a long time ago, because most people are super entrenched in their positions to the point of being dicks about it

What are you talking about?

People will stop going out to eat when the wife insists you stay home and eat her. Hey, what can I say. I just had a sudden urge to act like I was in middle school.

ThcV is an appetite suppressant 😁

Makes you eat your wife more tho.

Yeah, I got your rep. At first I wasn’t sure, though, I was like “damn, why is Scotty Free coming at my neck like that!?!” Lol

Went to a local restaurant Fri night.

A surcharge of 3% will be added to your bill to offset increasing employee retention and benefit costs. This added fee is not gratuity.

Kinda like Waffle House, but not as entertaining.

I ate the Whataburger double meat burger, it was decent I suppose and will eat there again but not for a couple of months anyway.

I know that we've cut way back on eating out. My family of 5 used to go out most every Sunday after church. But it's just gotten too expensive to do that often, so I will try to smoke something Saturday, or Sunday morning for our Sunday meal. My wife goes in early for practice because she's the piano player, so it's not easy for her to do a Sunday meal. Today, we had tri tips with baked beans and baked potato. That was a much better meal than we would have gotten eating out and much cheaper. Plus, we have plenty of leftovers

Always.

Of course all food depends on the crew working when you order...

My wife and I were returning from a skiing trip in Colorado and stopped off at McDonalds in Limon, CO. Holy hell, they wanted $10 for a double quarter pounder with cheese. We exited and found a Wendy's down the road where I got the Dave's double for $7.

$10 for a McDonalds burger? WTF!

That's why you should stop at the McDonalds/Love's in Bennett, then keep rolling east until you get to the Burlington. McDonalds or Love's in Burlington......unless The Dish Room is open and you have time to sit down. Dish Room is awesome.

https://www.thedishroomburlington.com/

Just looked at the current Dish Room menu....John Wayne Burger is only $3 more than McDonalds in Limon. They also have the $12 lunch menu.

Thanks for tip!

Just got back from or favorite sushi place. We had our usual, love boat for 2, baby octopus salad and a rock & roll, roll on the side. We go once ever couple months because we know its going to set us back a good chunk of change. Pre scamdemic, it cost us right at $60. The last time we went it was $75. Today it was just over $100. I'm not going to say we're going to stop having it because we love it, but it may be reserved for special occasions now

Not yet and I'm 4 years out. I could see how it would be an issue with a high protein diet, regardless of whether one had the surgery or not.

However, another part of the program is water consumption. Not sure how much that would help ward off kidney stones but I actually drink more than 128oz of water a day - yeah, the program requires you to consume no less than 1 gallon of water a day.

I missed this in my previous response...

Were those studies conducted on bariatric patients in general? Because that would include gastric bypass patients, who would definitely have difficult with metabolizing oxalates. They have trouble breaking down all kinds of minerals which is why they have a very strict regimen of post-op vitamins.

I had a sleeve gastrectomy, where they basically remove 3/4 of your stomach. The stomach remains intact and still performs its original function (rather than being bypassed), so with sleeves it's more of a question of "how much/little" vs. "have vs. don't have". If that makes sense.

That's too bad, looks like they are getting tipped 7% instead of 10%.

Had some Chinese take out tonight, delicious.

Technically, the biggest reason low carb, high protein, paleo, and even keto to a lesser extent work is because they focus on higher concentrations of proteins and fats and less on carbohydrates. Call it a macro if you want, I'm not sure what else to call it.

By focusing on protein and less on carbs, you get quite a few benefits that flow naturally out of the way you're eating.

As has already been mentioned, eating protein fuels your body differently than eating carbs. Protein is generally dense and has much more complex chemical bonds than carbohydrates. It takes more time and energy to break down protein. So you're less hungry than if you eat mostly carbohydrates. This produces two effects mostly:

1. You eat less total calories over time (there's only 24 hours in a day and we all need to sleep). By upping protein, you are less hungry and thus eat less.

2. You burn more calories over time. Eating protein takes more energy to break down so you're actually burning more calories just digesting protein vs. carbohydrates.

I hope this doesn't sound like a lecture, it's really not. I agree with pretty much all of what you're saying.

Yep. Processed usually means cheaper, more "concentrated" ingredients. You'll get high fructose corn syrup instead of raw sugar, for example. Not only is high fructose corn syrup higher in calories but it's easier to digest. So just from a caloric standpoint, you're fighting a terrible uphill battle eating processed foods.

Look at your analogy from my perspective. Because of my surgery, my average meal is about 8oz - 4 protein, 4 veggies and starch.

If you were to look at a bag of regular old Lay's classic potato chips, the recommended serving size is 15 chips or roughly 1 ounce. The entire bag has 8 servings. To eat the same volume of food as the steak, I'd need 4 servings or half the bag of chips to get roughly the same "full" sensation.

4 ounces of steak is about 250 calories, almost all protein. The chips are about 75% carbs and 25% fat (mostly the bad fats too) and 4 oz. would have a whopping 640 calories. And because of the chips' caloric makeup, I'll likely be hungry in HALF the time as if I had eaten the steak. If you look at that difference over time (due to being more hungry from eating chips), you start to see how wide the gulf is.

And even if you look at the chips as a side to the steak, it's still horrible. 4 ounces of roasted broccoli has 40 calories, only 6g of carbohydrates, and almost half of that is hard-to-digest fiber.

I used to be a "not that simple" guy. Mainly because none of the things I had tried were simple at all. In the end, it turned out that it was a lot simpler than I realized because I was trying to "diet" instead of actually changing.

Diets don't work. I know there might be some that disagree but over the long term, studies show diets don't work. You can't deprive yourself of an entire foodgroup (or more) and expect to be healthy and balanced. It's nearly impossible to maintain because the more you deprive yourself, the more your body craves those things of which it's being denied.

I simplified my view greatly 4 years ago. Yes, I had surgery but I lost 40 pounds BEFORE my surgery by following the diet I was going to use after the surgery. And I very quickly found out it was absolutely SIMPLE.

Just be mindful of what you eat and how much of it. Make smart substitutions, like zucchini instead of a baked potato.

Eat SLOWER - it really is good advice. People say it takes about 20 minutes for your brain to catch up with your stomach and that people are actually full 20 minutes before they stop eating. Well, I've lived it If I eat too much, I will get sick. I cannot wait 20 minutes between being full and stopping eating because I won't just get indigestion. I could get violently ill. The first thing they told us in the program is to eat slower. Eat with your stomach, not your brain. For me, eating slower is the key to not being sick. For most everybody else, it's the key to eating what you need, not what you want.

Finally, protein protein protein. I eat 3 meals a day but at 8 or so ounces a piece, that's simply not enough food. The program wants the average man to supplement 60-90 grams of protein supplements a day and they recommend whey protein isolate as the cleanest source.

Keto and Atkins and stuff like that are great to lose weight because they shift focus to healthier, more calorie-dense foods and away from a lot of simple or processed carbs.

The problem is that they're not balanced at all and thus usually impossible to maintain.

The key is really shifting from carbs to protein. It's pretty much that simple. You don't need a diet plan to tell you that.

I was talking to a buddy today about this topic. He and his wife are good cooks. They are of means and can afford to go out a few times a week. The kids are gone and have business careers.

They would go out a few times a week because they don't have time to cook. Because they can cook and the prices are so crazy, they are trying to cook more at home.


His point is that you can go to Taco Bell for ~$20, but it is crap food.

So do you spend +$50 or more for quality or take your time, if you can cook, and cook at home?

Time = money.

That is the basic premise. or do mac n cheese and pop tarts?

Have you seen the price of Mac and cheese lately?!? And even the Kraft powder kind.

No clue....I have learned to cook...kinda. When it is good, ok, when the dogs don't eat = bad.

But the time it takes to go out to eat a decent meal also = money? Of course, unless you're just running to a Taco Bell drive through.

I do a decent amount of meal prep, so a few hours on a Sunday afternoon when I'd be on my ass on the couch instead really pays off... throw a dozen eggs into a muffin tin with some chicken sausage, ham, whatever, repeat a few times... and you have a month's worth of breakfast stored in the freezer that comes out to a dollar or two per meal..... and most of the time is spent waiting for them to bake.

I also tried Hello Fresh at one point and holy **** was it a lot of work... could easily spend an hour to 90 minutes on prep, just to wait for it to cook for 45-60 minutes, and it wasn't exactly cheap. If I was spending that kind of time in the kitchen, I just might go out and eat every night.

Our experience with services like Hello Fresh has been pretty much the opposite. Yes, some of them have complicated prep but not all of them. Keep in mind that you don't have to spend time or money going to the grocery store. Also, the up front price is offset by having almost perfect portions. We never have leftovers or waste at all. We eat everything we cook, the first time.

I had high hopes for it, but after a month it didn't seem to be helping in terms of budgeting or meal prep time. The food was great though, and I noticed that about portion sizes, too.

I'm relatively lazy in the kitchen, too... chop your own damn veggies, Hello Fresh.

LMAO that's crazy considering how many alternative coffee choices they must have at any given time.

A lot of times ours will say they're out of something and attempt to sub it, but you can walk right in the store and pick it up off the shelf. I'm assuming they limit online orders to ensure the shelves stay adequately stocked, but it still comes off weird as hell.