GODDAMNIT, WHY ISN'T THIS DONE ALREADY!?!?!?!?!

I’m just spit balling here, but hear me out; Chiefs should sign him.

Well?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs received permission to talk with DeAndre Hopkins earlier in the offseason and spoke to him before the draft, per sources. Contract was the hurdle, and to do it now, price would have to come way down.<br><br>KC likes him, but the deal they gave Donovan Smith makes $$$ tough.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1662179996301918208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can't see his ask coming down now.

Can’t say for sure but I’m going to assume he has signed a one year deal for league minimum here.

If he signs with KC, I will be shocked! He ain't signing here. Get over it - fun while it lasted! He will be an Eagle or a Bill - sucks but it is what it is. WE have no $$$$$$$$

I think it’s funny how people are talking about MVS and his stats blah blah blah. Everything posted is acting like if we trade MVS no one will take his, like we will play 10 on 11 or something lol.

I like MVS but I like Hopkins much better. Some of the biggest concerns with signing Hopkins are money, trading MVS now gains $7M and $9M after June 1st. Or that getting Hopkins will have a trickle effect and could hurt the progression of our young WRs now that a 100 targets go to Hopkins. Trading MVS helps this as well.

split those 81 targets MVS got last year to all the other wide outs. Hell even if MVS stays on the roster I see his targets going at least down to 60 if not more.

Again I don’t hate MVS, I just like Hopkins more and MVS’s saved cap hit could mean signing him or not.

Explain to me how the Eagles and/or Bills have more.

We haven’t even seen how they’re going to extend Jones

ROFLLMAOLMAOROFL

IMO, this is the way!!

It just came to me. Weird right?

Okay now THAT would be epic

I heard a report that he was willing to take less until Beckham signed for what he signed for in Baltimore. At that point Hopkins said I'm worth at least that.

I dont want him at that price. Maybe 10 with incentives up to 15 or so. But not 15 guaranteed.

“Interesting. Apparently Hopkins and his agent are demanding at least 1,000 posts on CP before making a decision.”
- Adam Schefter

Extending Jones instantly gives us the cap space to sign Hopkins. Dollars aren’t the issue if they want to do it and he’s open to a one-year deal. Doubt he’d leave $$ on the table but if he really wants a ring Juju showed him the path.

I would not be in favor of a longer/more expensive deal though. We need to do everything we can to keep Creed, Bolton, and Sneed (besides Jones) down the road.

If we get him, however, oh boy…

Florio’s head might explode…

no, instead you bet on james, watson and two ross’ who haven’t done jack shit in the NFL.

3984 in the Do we want DHop? thread

499 in this thread

He’s ours baby!!!!

Cards going for the tank. Will probably have two top 10 if not top 5 picks next year.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> have the highest maximum restructure potential in the league at a possible $83M. If they want D-Hop they can create more space than anybody....</p>&mdash; Marcus Baker (@MarcusBaker325) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarcusBaker325/status/1662181180504981512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think extending Jones and making him happy is more important. We have a great WR line up even if they are untested the potential is there.

DHop is going to go to some shit hole team and sign a contract like 2/$40-$50 mil or something absurd like that. I don't think KC is even in the running and there WR room is completely filled out and they're ready to roll with what we got. Hell KC didn't even want to pay JJSS $8 mil/yr and he would easily upgrade the position. No way they're gonna give $15+ million for DHop.

****ing Cardinals are such a terrible terrible franchise. Botched the whole situation and didn't get jack shit for Hopkins and then they release him before June 1st, so they eat the whole $22.6 mil dead cap hit this year. So dumb.

yeah, what's up with that? why not wait until June 1st?

If KC Chiefs don't sign Hopkins I will kill myself on live TV!

If we can get him for a reasonable price then YES!

Stupid not to take any picks they can get and run. I suspect they ate the $22.6m because they want to get rid of his cap faster. Post June 1 I believe the cap doesn't go away, it just means $11m this year and $11m next year.

They obviously regret giving kyler big money. They're treating the next few years like a rebuild so the team is ready to go by the time they can cut kyler off. Good time to do it with a new gm and coach. But who even knows with that diaster of a franchise.

Take the entire cap hit this year and start over next year instead of splitting it and him still being on the books next year.

Pretty clear the Cardinals want Williams and are taking the hit this season to get it done

Extend Jones and you get instant cap relief. win/win

If he's looking for an opportunity to re-build his value, I think the Chiefs offer that better than anyone. They need to get a Jones deal done and create some cap space, but if they can I'm on board.

If he's just looking for the biggest payday right now and the longest deal, I don't think it will be KC.

No, and you're deliberately choosing the bottom of the roster guys to poorly make a point.

You're betting on the two second rounders and the first rounder you traded for. You're betting on your scouting, and your coaching.

If Hopkins wants to play mostly for his Arizona money and get a ring and increase his value next off-season, come on in.

If someone is willing to pay DHop that kind of contract they would have also been willing to flip the Cards a 7th rounder in a trade and this entire ordeal would be over.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are no official league transactions until Tuesday, so the Cardinals announcement that DeAndre Hopkins has been released is a direct message that it&#39;s time for teams that would be interested in making a deal to step up.</p>&mdash; Howard Balzer (@HBalzer721) <a href="https://twitter.com/HBalzer721/status/1662143655132676096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Money shouldn't be an obstacle for us if we make it a short term deal. Again I think people are confusing long term deals that locks you in for the long haul versus one bandaid you can tear right off. If a veteran like dhop wants to take a one year prove it deal it is not going to cripple our cap even a little bit and we can be a little flexible. Two years is tougher but still reasonable. It's 2+ where you run for the hills. And it's perfect for a team like KC that just needs a little extra time to sort out their WR room.

Gonna piggy back on this response.

Players over 31 that have had over 1000 yards receiving (not named Travis Kelce) are basically non existent that last few years. Hopkins could end up being an outlier, but Veach can’t overspend on a deal to get him and push us over the top when the data shows it won’t provide the ROI that it might in madden.

I think giving him a similar deal to Beckham would end up being a mistake, but I’d be excited if it happens because of the upside.

The offense could have a year of being close to completely unstoppable.

YES!!!!!!!!!

Does he want a ring or be paid?

The flim-flam is phlegming

Can’t believe it’s 9:20 on a Saturday and he hasn’t even officially been released yet and the Chiefs haven’t announced they’ll be signing him. So sick of Bart sitting on his rich ass counting his GM money while this team flounders in Super Bowl glory. It’s time to fly another banner.

I want to taste the tears of the rest of the NFL if we add Hopkins.

:thumb:

Goodell will make sure the Cardinals get some special ref treatment. For having hot NFL wet dreaming over the holiday weekend gatherings

I'm not sure I even want this guy. Young guys are hungry guys, and this guy isn't young. How bad does he really want it? Furthermore, according to Nate Taylor, Hopkins does not practice much. The guy probably has something left in the tank, but how motivated to excel is he? Chemistry-wise, I've got concerns. Pass.

I think we will be fine without him but it would give us some breathing room over the rest of the league during what could be Pats prime and could be one of our better defences in a while and the whining from the rest of the league would be glorious.

Hopkins as a one year stop gap before the young receivers are ready to carry the load would be amazing. We'll see if it's in the cards.

I have given this consideration and I don't want Hopkins. I really want to see what these young WRs can do, and spend that money elsewhere. If Hopkins signs it will dry up any wiggle room we have cap-wise, and he'll come in as the "alpha" rather than Moore and others being pushed to step up. It wouldn't be the end of the world, but just not my favorite option.

Maybe somebody who is knowledgable about NFL contracts can help me out here so that I understand the Cardinals.

I understand why they are taking the total salary hit this year. They want to start off on a clean slate next year .this year they want to tank and the salary cap hit is irrelevant.

But I also understood that the reason nobody wanted to trade with them was twofold. First, nobody wanted to give up the second round draft pick they apparently wanted. Second, nobody wanted to have to inherit his contract.

Here is the part I don’t understand.

Given that they are willing to eat all of his contract presumably, they could’ve done that so the contract with no longer have been an obstacle in someone treating for him. Or is there some NFL rule limiting how much of the contract they could’ve absorbed.

Once Arizona had removed the contract obstacle surely they could’ve gotten some thing for him. And if it was part of their Tank strategy, they could’ve gotten something in next year’s draft. With Arizona absorbing most of his contract surely any other team would have given them at least a number three in next year‘s draft.

I don’t understand why it didn’t happen this way. Could someone please explain.

And please don’t just say it’s because the Arizona management is stupid. They were smart enough to completely fleece Houston in the draft and then to move back up to get the player they actually wanted.

I really hope somebody will offer a useful explanation.

Thanks

They still save like 8 million this year doing this way , might be another reason . I think his total hit would have been close to 30 this year if they kept him .

Just because you tricked an equally stupid or more front office into a bad deal, doesn't make you smart.

They were smart enough to fleece Houston? The team that has made some of the most legendary poor decisions in managing their team?

The Cardinals front office is a bunch if butt ****ing morons.

They extended their coach just to pay him to not be there. They extended a quarterback that blatantly did not put the work in with a ridiculous contract, and appear to be tanking for his replacement as well.

And NOW, Dhop is released outright, for nothing, and this perplexes you?

Stupid is as stupid does. No need to try to look deeper and try to find some deeper reason for this.

Hes going to sign here..... Its so obvious. No one got the script yet?

NFL wants to recreate the 2007 Patriots...... But this time they want it to be the Chiefs. Tearing teams apart with mad effiancy on one hand, and ****ing breaking the game with a WR to QB combo.

Nagy back as OC.... Mahomes with three teir one skill position players (Toney/Kelce/Hopkins) add in THAT running back everyone missed on.

Oh yeah.... And defense also has tons of young pieces and has a chance at being special.

The NFL wrote this script in 2007 but Brady failed...Mahomes wont... Yes boys and girls.. Its time for a perfect season followed by a undefeated record and another Mahomes MVP season....

His stats will be so mountainous that they will be blantantly disregaurded talking about states in the future (Think Wilt C.)

Brady got Lombardis with no names

I think this is kinda where I'm at. Id take the flexibility and just see what we've got. I'd love Hopkins, don't get me wrong, but I could absolutely see a) diminishing returns from him from this point and b) him stifling opportunities for the young guns. Admittedly if Toney is broken and Moore and Rice don't look ready I might regret saying this. But I think we roll with what we've got...unless, I mean, he is SUPER cheap. Then f*** developing guys, count me in.

You don't want Hopkins because of Skyy Moore?

:shake:

So has Patrick.

Patriots also brought Randy Moss in to play with Brady for 3 seasons, so it’s not like he played his entire tenure in NE without a marquee WR.

Exactly what we just did. No need to pay that much.

What is the point of spending high picks on players that don't play? Getting Hopkins sets back guys we drafted.

Im in on Hopkins even if he is not super cheap. Id love to sign him to an incentive deal where he can make good $$$ if he performs. I just dont want to give him an expensive guaranteed deal. Im confidemt Veach wont break the bank to sign him, so no worries there.

But the rewards of Hopkins outweigh it imo. Besides, they'll still play and gain experience.

They don't have any more money than us. We redo the Jones contract, we have the money. But, just because we can make it work this year, if he wants top money, we move on.

Nfl does not want us in their script. Which is why its spectacular when we win despite it

I'd rather not sign Hopkins at this point. I'd like to see Jones get a contract extension and use that freed up money on our young up and coming talent that will need new contracts soon. Humphrey, Bolton, Gay, Sneed (Pacheco soon) will all have a greater impact on this team by keeping them here than bringing in Hopkins.

You are basically talking Skyy?

I'm not expecting a lot out of rookie Rice with or without Hopkins although I certainly hope Skyy can take the next step as a year two player.

Toney will play, if healthy. A big if.

If Skyy had finished the season stronger, I would feel better about things. No, I haven't given up on him. But the WR room still has enough questions that Hopkins would be somebody I think you should think about on the off chance he wants to take a reasonably cheap one year deal with KC.

Although I suspect he'll ask for too much.

Yep, pretty reasonable approach imo. I'd probably see what we've got on rhe assumption we might need some flexibility on e.g. bringing in another DT. But given WR IS a big question mark getting Hopkins on a short, incentive laden deal seems pretty good too.

I am as hungry as anyone for a WR1 but this is the part that concerns me most. I do think a lot of it is actually injury management and I've never heard him to be a low effort player. But not practicing much is a little concerning

This, and we got Sneed, then Bolton, Creed and Trey coming up. If he wants to chase a ring on a 1 year discount deal, great, if not, move on... We are not that franchise chasing old Vets at a premium anymore, it's how you not only close, but slam shut your window.

there's no way the eagles sign hopkins, and why would he want to go to buffalo where diggs is going to be whining about him, plus they have a dumbass HC?

yeah he's coming here or some loser team for $25m

Whole of the NFL will collectively shit their pants if we get this over the line. Mahomes, DHop, CEH and Kelce offense is just cheat code.

I can see him going to Jacksonville

CEH? :spock:

Detroit is my sleeper team.

You lost me at CEH.

This, wtf?

I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that was a really subtle troll job

:hmmm: Could be, and I hope so. :D

I think he was meaning for CEH to be short for PaCEHco.

:spock: Gotta be a typo.

Maybe because he's said that Josh Allen is his #1 choice for QB?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DeAndre Hopkins was asked on <a href="https://twitter.com/IAMATHLETEpod?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IAMATHLETEpod</a> which QBs he&#39;d love to have throwing him the ball. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> QB Josh Allen was quickly his first answer. <br><br>Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert rounded out his top-5.<a href="https://t.co/gtepzf9JD4">pic.twitter.com/gtepzf9JD4</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1660703286842802176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>