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Bambi 06-14-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6819664)
Where you will be controlled by USC and Texas... and still suck in football.

And continue to win titles in basketball.

oh well

Frazod 06-14-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 6819663)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5284375

Sources: Departure to Pac-10 coming
By Joe Schad
ESPN
Archive

The departure of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the Pac-10 is imminent, four sources within the Big 12 said Monday.

One source said Dan Beebe's last-minute plan to save the conference has "zero" chance to succeed. Another source said it is "very unlikely" to succeed.

Texas' interests in being aligned with the research opportunities and academic missions of Pac-10 schools is driving the decision, along with money.

Beebe's last-ditch plan included an emotional plea about preserving rivalries and maintaining the best welfare of the student-athlete, one source said.

Texas A&M is now most likely to join the SEC, a source within the Big 12 said. This move, in the wake of Colorado and Nebraska's departure, would further diminish the chance of Beebe's plan succeeding, one source said.

Texas' decision is expected to come no later than Tuesday. One source familiar with Texas' plans suggested a hearing on Wednesday at the Texas House of Representatives is "a nonfactor."

But... but... Chip Brown says Texas is committed to the Big XII! LMAO

DaKCMan AP 06-14-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819665)
And continue to win titles in basketball.

oh well

If that's what makes you happy..

I prefer to win and compete for titles in every sport.

hawkchief 06-14-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6819666)
But... but... Chip Brown says Texas is committed to the Big XII! LMAO

Chip Brown makes Keitzman look like a non-waffling genius with real connections.

Al Bundy 06-14-2010 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819665)
And continue to win titles in basketball.

oh well

Will still have to compete with UCLA, Cal and a few others... bad year last year for the Pac-10, but the Jayhawks will still finish at the bottom of the league in football.

Hays 06-14-2010 08:45 AM

As Archie Bunker said ESPN and their sources said its imminent that Texas, Tech, OK, and OK STate are going to the Pac 10 with A&M to the Sec

KU, Kstate, MU, Baylor, and Iowa State better start finding some partners.

the Talking Can 06-14-2010 08:46 AM

ROFL

and now espn is reporting that the pac 10 deal is on, the Beebe deal has 0 chance of happening and Utah is in over KU..


sigh

kepp 06-14-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6819669)
Will still have to compete with UCLA, Cal and a few others... bad year last year for the Pac-10, but the Jayhawks will still finish at the bottom of the league in football.

They'll be battling Washington State for the cellar.

hawkchief 06-14-2010 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6819674)
They'll be battling Washington State for the cellar.

If you're extremely lucky, MU might get to battle Northwestern for the cellar in the Big Ten. More likely, MU will be part of a cobbled-together MWC or Big East. A big price to pay for starting this mess.

Al Bundy 06-14-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hawkchief (Post 6819676)
If you're extremely lucky, MU might get to battle Northwestern for the cellar in the Big Ten. More likely, MU will be part of a cobbled-together MWC or Big East. A big price to pay for starting this mess.

The Jayhawks are in the exact same position that MU is in...

kepp 06-14-2010 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkchief (Post 6819676)
If you're extremely lucky, MU might get to battle Northwestern for the cellar in the Big Ten. More likely, MU will be part of a cobbled-together MWC or Big East. A big price to pay for starting this mess.

Yep, we started it. Mizzou called up the Big10 and said, "Hey, why don't you guys expand? I think the timing is right for it, don't you?" And then the ball started rolling.

luv 06-14-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hawkchief (Post 6819676)
If you're extremely lucky, MU might get to battle Northwestern for the cellar in the Big Ten. More likely, MU will be part of a cobbled-together MWC or Big East. A big price to pay for starting this mess.

You keep saying this.....

Archie Bunker 06-14-2010 08:58 AM

from Mike DeArmond

http://twitter.com/sptwri

Speculation within SEC rising that if A&M goes SEC, MU could be a partner. Stay tuned
6 minutes ago via web

KevB 06-14-2010 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6819677)
The Jayhawks are in the exact same position that MU is in...

I don't understand why there are fans who hope that any of the three schools get left behind. Left behind = bad for Kansas City and the local sports scene. I hope all three schools end up in the same strong conference, and at the very least all three end up in a strong conference somewhere. There's a time for fans to "hate" each other....now really isn't that time IMO.

Frazod 06-14-2010 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 6819685)
from Mike DeArmond

http://twitter.com/sptwri

Speculation within SEC rising that if A&M goes SEC, MU could be a partner. Stay tuned
6 minutes ago via web

:facepalm:

kepp 06-14-2010 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6819690)
:facepalm:

Exactly. I fell like "going off the grid" for a few months and then come back, learn what has happened, and roll with it.

Saulbadguy 06-14-2010 09:03 AM

Stay tuned fellas. This is going to get very interesting, very soon.

DeezNutz 06-14-2010 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6819694)
Stay tuned fellas. This is going to get very interesting, very soon.

Are you basing this on something, or is this merely a general observation about this cluster****?

BWillie 06-14-2010 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 6819685)
from Mike DeArmond

http://twitter.com/sptwri

Speculation within SEC rising that if A&M goes SEC, MU could be a partner. Stay tuned
6 minutes ago via web

Why would you bring in a team w/ only 24 million annual football revenue.

healthpellets 06-14-2010 09:07 AM

Breaking news. The PAC10 claims to have academic standards. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Al Bundy 06-14-2010 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 6819687)
I don't understand why there are fans who hope that any of the three schools get left behind. Left behind = bad for Kansas City and the local sports scene. I hope all three schools end up in the same strong conference, and at the very least all three end up in a strong conference somewhere. There's a time for fans to "hate" each other....now really isn't that time IMO.

I don't want any to get left behind. However I don't have a dog in the fight. I am hoping my UCF ends up in the Big East.

GoHuge 06-14-2010 09:09 AM

Yeah whatever happens we don't have one bit of control over. I'm not going to hang on to every report or "tweet." Just hope for the best for all.

Saulbadguy 06-14-2010 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6819695)
Are you basing this on something, or is this merely a general observation about this cluster****?

Basing it on my super-elite insidery type information.

KevB 06-14-2010 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6819694)
Stay tuned fellas. This is going to get very interesting, very soon.

Because it hasn't been already?

Saulbadguy 06-14-2010 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthpellets (Post 6819697)
Breaking news. The PAC10 claims to have academic standards. Can anyone confirm or deny?

DENY.

They suck at athletics, too.

Frazod 06-14-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6819702)
Basing it on my super-elite insidery type information.

OMG - Saul is Chip Brown! :eek:

Bambi 06-14-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6819671)
ROFL

and now espn is reporting that the pac 10 deal is on, the Beebe deal has 0 chance of happening and Utah is in over KU..


sigh


http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/r...ey/Suicide.gif

Bambi 06-14-2010 09:12 AM

Petro:

"Go get offers muthafukas..."

|Zach| 06-14-2010 09:13 AM

MIZZOUEXPANSIONAPALOOZA 2010™: The Case for the Big East
by Michael Atchison on Jun 14, 2010 9:19 AM CDT 6 comments

http://www.rockmnation.com/2010/6/14...r-the-big-east

[note: most of this post was written before I read BOTC’s similar piece; good to know that others are thinking along the same lines]

When Nebraska announced its move from the Big 12 to the Big Ten on Friday and Chancellor Harvey Perlman cast blame on Missouri’s wandering eye, he became the first man ever to jump off a ledge because another man peered through a window. He also may have been the first jumper ever to bring the whole building down with him, as we wait to hear whether the Big 12 will hold together as a ten-team league, or whether five more members will leave for the Pac-10 and/or SEC.

The analogy is strained, though, because the Huskers are actually softly parachuting into a giant pillow of cash. The schools left behind – Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor – are the ones in free-fall. And as seems reasonable for folks who see the pavement approaching at terminal velocity, alumni and fans of these schools have reacted in ways ranging from serious concern to all-out panic.

But fear not. Only a failure of imagination can keep Missouri out of a major conference. And it may not be the major conference that people have been discussion for the past year.


If the Big 12 implodes (and the chatter this morning is that a lot of love and $17 million per annum might hold this ragtag bunch together), is there a chance that Mizzou could still sneak in to the Big Ten or the SEC? Sure, especially if those leagues evolve into sixteen-team superconferences. Missouri should jump if offered.

But that chance is based on the hope that someone who doesn’t need you invites you to their awesome party. And hope is not a strategy, not when you’re at someone else’s mercy. Missouri doesn’t need hope. It needs a plan. Here’s a start.

What do needy schools need? A needy conference. Right now, no league is needier than the Big East. And despite preconceptions, the Big East could be a surprisingly good fit for the heartland quartet (Baylor, you’re on your own*) that has been together since Kansas State Agricultural College joined the Missouri Valley Conference in 1912.

[*This is speculation; I’ve not read the Big 12 governing documents nor have I brushed up on the relevant law, but it may be worth sticking with Baylor and having a five-school Big 12 merge with the Big East – rather than leaving the Big 12 individually and joining the Big East – if keeping the Big 12 intact as a legal entity protects the remaining schools’ ability to collect payments due from the departing Big 12 schools]

As currently constructed, the Big East is a big-time football anachronism: an eight-team league, four teams short of the number needed for a championship game, and a single defection away from oblivion. Though a sixteen-team monster in basketball, the Big East is a solid but unspectacular football alliance consisting of Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, South Florida, Syracuse and West Virginia. And at least three of those schools – Connecticut, Rutgers and Syracuse – stand to be potential targets for expansion by the Big Ten and/or ACC. The Big East needs to expand to get to a championship game; it also needs to expand to ensure its survival as a football conference.

The name is a misnomer. In football, the conference is Big East-ish, with Cincinnati, Louisville, Pitt and West Virginia – none exactly eastern – making up half the league, and the regional sore thumb that is South Florida sitting hard by the Gulf. Add Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, Missouri and special guest Memphis (a notion I had even before learning that Fed Ex is willing to pay top dollar for Memphis to join a BCS league), and you can draw a tidy line from Ames to Manhattan to Lawrence to Columbia to Memphis to Louisville to Cincinnati to Pittsburgh to Morgantown that reveals a surprisingly natural geographic continuity. More than that, the schools possess a surprisingly natural institutional continuity. The four former Big 12 schools and Memphis are all public universities with between 20,000 and 31,000 students (Baylor, private, has just under 15,000). Seven of the eight current Big East football schools are public institutions (Syracuse is not), and five of them have enrollments between 19,600 and 29,000 students (Cincinnati at 39,700, USF at 44,000 and Rutgers at 52,500 are the outliers). These schools fit together. And with thirteen members for football, you have enough to have a championship game, enough to survive one or more departures, and flexibility to add others if need be (also known as Baylor’s best hope).


Moreover, there is a continuity of football culture. Here are the average home attendances for each school in 2009:

Missouri 64,120
West Virginia 57,317
South Florida 52,553
Kansas 50,581
Rutgers 49,113
Kansas State 46,763
Iowa State 46,242
Syracuse 39,043
Connecticut 38,229
Cincinnati 33,957
Louisville 32,450
Memphis 25,795

Memphis’s average attendance would almost certainly jump considerably with a move to a BCS conference; Baylor, for reference, averaged 36,306 in 2009, a number sure to drop if separated from the other five members of the Big 12 South.

The new league would break easily into a seven-team Western division of Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Memphis, Louisville and Cincinnati, with a six-team Eastern division of Rutgers, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Connecticut and South Florida. If you feel compelled to even things out a seven teams per division, add someone like Temple (or Baylor and ship Cincinnati to the East), but keep in mind that one of the existing Big East schools could easily jump to the Big Ten or ACC, bringing the number from thirteen to twelve. Scheduling would follow the old Big 12 model; play everyone in your division each year, and play an alternating roster of three teams from the other division. The division winners face off in a championship game, perhaps in a domed NFL stadium that sits near the geographic center of the reconfigured league (that’s St. Louis if you didn’t crack the code), or in an open-air NFL stadium in Kansas City, Pittsburgh or Cincinnati.

But, you wonder, when you add in the Big East’s non-football schools, wouldn’t a 20 or 21-team basketball conference be unruly? Perhaps, but in the best possible way. The Big East is already a spectacular hoops league. The five proposed new members include both teams that played for the 2008 national title, plus two schools that have been to the Elite Eight since then. It becomes a mind-blowing assemblage of basketball power. And the scheduling is far tidier than you might expect.

First split the league in two, creating the Heartland and Coastal sub-conferences. Then split each sub-conference into two divisions – the Plains and Central divisions in the Heartland, the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast divisions in the Coastal.

Plains: Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Marquette
Central: DePaul, Notre Dame, Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida
Mid-Atlantic: Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Georgetown, Villanova, Rutgers
Northeast: St. John’s, Seton Hall, Syracuse, Providence, Connecticut

[In a perfect world, Marquette and DePaul would be in the same division, but something had to give. Marquette gives Iowa State a reasonable geographic partner, and Memphis goes to the Central instead of the Plains because of proximity to Louisville and as a bridge to South Florida].

[Note that the Central has six teams instead of five; as soon as one team leaves – say, Notre Dame – we’ll fix that].

Each team plays each member of its division home and away each season; each member of the other division in the sub-conference once each year; and each member of one of the divisions in the other sub-conference once each season, alternating between divisions every year. That makes for an 18-game schedule (assuming four five-team divisions). For instance, in the first year, Mizzou would play each team in the Plains twice, each team in the Central once (three home, two away), and each team in the Mid-Atlantic once (two home, three away). The next year, they would play the Northeast schools instead of the Mid-Atlantic teams.

That’s a manageable regular season. But what about the conference tournament? How do you have a tournament with 20 teams? You don’t. You have two tournaments.

We’ve heard repeatedly that conference realignment is all about football because that’s where the money is. And it’s true, up to a point. But as the recent $10.8 billion agreement between the NCAA and CBS and Turner for the rights to the next fourteen NCAA basketball tournaments shows, there is money to be made in college basketball. When a conference is deciding how to best generate revenue, it has to exploit its most valuable assets. And in the new supersized Big East, basketball is a license to print money.

Here’s a modest proposal. Each March, the Heartland basketball teams – Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Memphis, Marquette, DePaul, Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida (and Notre Dame if still around) – meet in St. Louis, while the Coastal programs – Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Georgetown, Villanova, Rutgers, St. John’s, Providence, Connecticut, Syracuse and Seton Hall – meet in New York. Each site plays a tournament to determine the sub-conference champion. And two days later, the two winners meet at Madison Square Garden for the Big East Tournament Championship.

Sounds crazy. Crazy awesome. It makes the tournament far more accessible, especially for fans of the schools in the Heartland, and allows the league to double its ticket sales, while making a huge splash on television.

We’ve plotted out football and men’s basketball. There’s still legitimate concern over costs associated with non-revenue sports. Can Iowa State really afford to travel regularly to Providence, Seton Hall and UConn for track meets and softball games? Probably not. So don’t.

The easy answer is to treat the two sub-conferences as separate leagues for non-revenue sports. Get all the teams together for a conference tournament if you must, but keep the regular seasons contained within the ten-team Heartland and Coastal leagues. Problem solved.

This plan gives Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State a soft place to land that is far preferable to the Mountain West or Conference USA, while allowing those schools to maintain ancient rivalries and to have familiar partners in a new conference, and it gives Memphis a giant upgrade in conference affiliation. It gives the Big East access to televisions in Wichita, Kansas City, St. Louis, Des Moines and Memphis, and to top-flight facilities for conference championships, including two NFL stadiums, an NBA arena (Memphis), an NHL arena (St. Louis), and the best indoor facility currently without a pro franchise (Kansas City). The Big East gets existing rivalries that are among the best in the country, including a football game (Missouri vs. Kansas) that has drawn more than 70,000 fans in recent years. It gets stability in football, plus the conference championship game that it has never had. And it gets marquee basketball programs that make it – inarguably – the premier hoops conference in the nation.

That’s a pretty good deal for everyone.

This isn’t a finished plan, it’s a conversation starter. It’s the work of one guy who spent some time thinking about it over a weekend. Surely, a group of college administrators and TV execs could sit around a table and improve on it. Or a group of savvy readers in the comments section. Have at it.

Al Bundy 06-14-2010 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6819706)
OMG - Saul is Chip Brown! :eek:

Don't insult Saul like that :PPL:

KC_Connection 06-14-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819667)
If that's what makes you happy..

I prefer to win and compete for titles in every sport.

Are you suggesting Kansas has any choice in the matter? They aren't going to ever be a football power no matter what they do, so fans might as well take pride in what they can do.

BTW, the best scenario for Kansas is to tie themselves to UT. There are incredible benefits to both KU football and basketball in having Texas in the same conference.

DaKCMan AP 06-14-2010 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6819710)
Moreover, there is a continuity of football culture. Here are the average home attendances for each school in 2009:

Missouri 64,120
West Virginia 57,317
South Florida 52,553
Kansas 50,581
Rutgers 49,113
Kansas State 46,763
Iowa State 46,242
Syracuse 39,043
Connecticut 38,229
Cincinnati 33,957
Louisville 32,450
Memphis 25,795

Ouch..

Al Bundy 06-14-2010 09:19 AM

Wow Petro is going to have a stroke.

siberian khatru 06-14-2010 09:20 AM

Quote:

he became the first man ever to jump off a ledge because another man peered through a window
Nice.

|Zach| 06-14-2010 09:21 AM

Another note on the Big East...

You don’t hire Paul Tagliabue if you intend on just sitting back and letting the Big Ten pick you apart (ala what appears to have happened in the Big 12). Tagliabue comes with a steep price, and in my opinion, you don’t hire him just so he can advise you on how to best desolve your league.

siberian khatru 06-14-2010 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6819692)
Exactly. I fell like "going off the grid" for a few months and then come back, learn what has happened, and roll with it.

No shit. I might actually get some work done again.

Bambi 06-14-2010 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819667)
If that's what makes you happy..

I prefer to win and compete for titles in every sport.

Yea you also root for a team that comes from a state with 10x the population of Kansas.

What Kansas Athletics has done throughout their history for the size of their population is nothing short of spectacular.

Al Bundy 06-14-2010 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819723)
Yea you also root for a team that comes from a state with 10x the population of Kansas.

What Kansas Athletics has done throughout their history for the size of their population is nothing short of spectacular.

That has 3 or 4 major colleges in it, USF, Miami, Florida State and Florida.. Plus UCF.

KC_Connection 06-14-2010 09:25 AM

Look, a new rumor: http://ucla.freedomblogging.com/2010...as-next/16411/

Saulbadguy 06-14-2010 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 6819722)
No shit. I might actually get some work done again.

Frickin' amateurs. I've been through 3 KSU coaching searches, 1 major coaching "departure", and now a conference armageddon.

DaKCMan AP 06-14-2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6819725)
That has 3 or 4 major colleges in it, USF, Miami, Florida State and Florida.. Plus UCF.

Exactly. Plus all the major universities (ohio state, LSU, Michigan, Texas, USC, Bama, UGA, etc.) compete for Florida recruits.

Saulbadguy 06-14-2010 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819729)
Exactly. Plus all the major universities (ohio state, LSU, Michigan, Texas, USC, Bama, UGA, etc.) compete for Florida recruits.

Kansas has the superior JUCO's to draw talent from. Kansas isn't exactly devoid of division 1 talent every year.

The Franchise 06-14-2010 09:31 AM

I really hope this forces ND to join a ****ing conference.

DaKCMan AP 06-14-2010 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6819731)
Kansas has the superior JUCO's to draw talent from. Kansas isn't exactly devoid of division 1 talent every year.

Yes, they do.

KC_Connection 06-14-2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819736)
Yes, they do.

So you're saying Kansas football has underachieved despite the fact that they won an Orange Bowl 2 years ago?

siberian khatru 06-14-2010 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6819728)
Frickin' amateurs. I've been through 3 KSU coaching searches, 1 major coaching "departure", and now a conference armageddon.

Heh. I don't remember anything, though, that had this much intrigue and so much rumor swirling so often. Something new every 5 minutes -- for weeks.

hawkchief 06-14-2010 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6819694)
Stay tuned fellas. This is going to get very interesting, very soon.

Welcome, Captain Obvious!

DaKCMan AP 06-14-2010 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 6819739)
So you're saying Kansas football has underachieved despite the fact that they won an Orange Bowl 2 years ago?

Where did I say that?

kepp 06-14-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819742)
Where did I say that?

You didn't. Every ku football comeback has to have the words "orange bowl". It's in their contract.

DeezNutz 06-14-2010 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819742)
Where did I say that?

It was implicit in your "yes." It's a very loaded term.

Bambi 06-14-2010 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6819725)
That has 3 or 4 major colleges in it, USF, Miami, Florida State and Florida.. Plus UCF.

What joy do you get exactly of putting other people down so often?

I'm just curious.

DeezNutz 06-14-2010 09:40 AM

There's been silence in this thread for 30 seconds. Does that mean you're questioning Mizzou?

Al Bundy 06-14-2010 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819747)
What joy do you get exactly of putting other people down so often?

I'm just curious.

Where have I put anyone down?

Bambi 06-14-2010 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6819744)
You didn't. Every ku football comeback has to have the words "orange bowl". It's in their contract.

I prefer saying Kansas has a 5-1 record in bowls in the last 20 years.

One of which is a BCS bowl.

Saulbadguy 06-14-2010 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 6819739)
So you're saying Kansas football has underachieved despite the fact that they won an Orange Bowl 2 years ago?

Overall the state of Kansas has done pretty well for itself in football. Between Kansas and K-State, 2 BCS bowl appearances, 1 BCS bowl victory, 1 Alliance bowl appearance and victory, and 1 Big XII title.

And if there hadn't been a Big XII championship game at the, perhaps a National Title...:#

Al Bundy 06-14-2010 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819747)
What joy do you get exactly of putting other people down so often?

I'm just curious.

I am just stating the facts with the other 3 schools.

KC_Connection 06-14-2010 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819742)
Where did I say that?

You didn't, but you did write this. And I'm still not sure what your point is or why you are even comparing Florida to Kansas in the first place.

Quote:

I prefer to win and compete for titles in every sport.
It seems to me that KU does a great job in major athletics for the size of its state, no?

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-14-2010 09:44 AM

Is it over yet?

DeezNutz 06-14-2010 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819750)
I prefer saying Kansas has a 5-1 record in bowls in the last 20 years.

One of which is a BCS bowl.

20 years? LMAO. Is that supposed to be uplifting? 6 bowls in 20 years?

Yeah, the football powers in the country are jealous of that rich history. Just let it go rather than bringing up things that look trivial.

KC_Connection 06-14-2010 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6819744)
You didn't. Every ku football comeback has to have the words "orange bowl". It's in their contract.

The impetuous whining of MU fans is why I haven't entered this thread until today. Your pathetic sniping isn't worth my time.

KC_Connection 06-14-2010 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6819757)
20 years? LMAO. Is that supposed to be uplifting? 6 bowls in 20 years?

Yeah, the football powers in the country are jealous of that rich history. Just let it go rather than bringing up things that look trivial.

KU isn't a football power, I don't think anybody is pretending they are or ever will be.

Frazod 06-14-2010 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 6819759)
The impetuous whining of MU fans is why I haven't entered this thread until today. Your pathetic sniping isn't worth my time.

Hawkchief is here. You're not needed. :D

DeezNutz 06-14-2010 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 6819764)
KU isn't a football power, I don't think anybody is pretending they are or ever will be.

And they don't have to be. They're great at basketball, and I don't think they have the resources to sustain both major sports at elite levels.

That's ok, though. Few universities are.

nychief 06-14-2010 09:52 AM

Girls girls girls! You're both pretty. And by pretty I mean mediocre public universities.

KC_Connection 06-14-2010 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6819767)
And they don't have to be. They're great at basketball, and I don't think they have the resources to sustain both major sports at elite levels.

Exactly, and that's all I've been saying since I entered the thread.

Bambi 06-14-2010 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6819757)
20 years? LMAO. Is that supposed to be uplifting? 6 bowls in 20 years?

Yeah, the football powers in the country are jealous of that rich history. Just let it go rather than bringing up things that look trivial.

I'm not saying its a football power.

The original point was brought up because I said I'd be happy with going to the Pac-10 and continue a winning basketball tradition. The original statement was said jokingly.

Then it got turned into "We'll were Florida. We compete in EVERYTHING"

Then I said I thought it was impressive what Kansas (and Kansas St) has been able to do while splitting a state of 2 million or so and Florida has it's pick of a state of 18 million.

No one is saying that KU is a football power.

But the fact that no one around here ever gives KU football any credit whatsoever is annoying, that's all.

DeezNutz 06-14-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819773)
But the fact that no one around here ever gives KU football any credit whatsoever is annoying, that's all.

Fair enough.

KC_Connection 06-14-2010 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6819766)
Hawkchief is here. You're not needed. :D

Are you choosing to be nicer to people now? Did I read that right a few days ago? :)

Bambi 06-14-2010 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6819774)
Fair enough.

And on your end yes, MU has better talent on it's roster top to bottom than KU.

errrrrrrr...... it hurts to type that

Mr. Laz 06-14-2010 10:06 AM

Espn is reporting the UT's departure is imminent

Espn is also reporting that UT has decided to stay in the Big-12(10)

ROFL

DaKCMan AP 06-14-2010 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819773)
I'm not saying its a football power.

The original point was brought up because I said I'd be happy with going to the Pac-10 and continue a winning basketball tradition. The original statement was said jokingly.

Then it got turned into "We'll were Florida. We compete in EVERYTHING"

Then I said I thought it was impressive what Kansas (and Kansas St) has been able to do while splitting a state of 2 million or so and Florida has it's pick of a state of 18 million.

No one is saying that KU is a football power.

But the fact that no one around here ever gives KU football any credit whatsoever is annoying, that's all.

That's not what I said. I said I prefer to compete in every sport. It's all about expectations.

sedated 06-14-2010 10:07 AM

not to distract from bickering between schools, ESPN reporting Texas is headed to Pac-10, while Chip Brown is still tweeting that Texas is trying to sustain the Big 12 (10).

DJ's left nut 06-14-2010 10:07 AM

I officially don't give a **** what happens.

Just give me some real news.

Rooster 06-14-2010 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6819783)
Espn is reporting the UT's departure is imminant

Espn is also reporting that UT has decided to stay in the Big-12(10)

ROFL

:spock:

Are they sure about that? :D

Bambi 06-14-2010 10:07 AM

Guy on 810 right now says there's no way a 16 team conference could get 20 million each from a TV deal..

Bambi 06-14-2010 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819787)
That's not what I said. I said I prefer to compete in every sport. It's all about expectations.

understood

kepp 06-14-2010 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819791)
Guy on 810 right now says there's no way a 16 team conference could get 20 million each from a TV deal..

He can't just say that as a blanket statement. I would think that it totally depends on which teams are involved.

DaKCMan AP 06-14-2010 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 6819754)
You didn't, but you did write this. And I'm still not sure what your point is or why you are even comparing Florida to Kansas in the first place.



It seems to me that KU does a great job in major athletics for the size of its state, no?

Kansas is a larger state than Hawaii, Nebraska, West Virginia, New Mexico, Nevada, Idaho and Utah. It's about the same size as Arkansas, Mississippi and Iowa.

KU finished behind (and mostly well behind) Hawaii, New Mexico, Utah, West Virginia, Boise State, BYU, Nebraska, Arkansas, Iowa, Mississippi, and Iowa State in the Director's Cup.

I'm not trying to bash Kansas. You asked, so I'll answer. Obviously KU has an outstanding basketball program and has had some productive football seasons.

KC_Connection 06-14-2010 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819787)
That's not what I said. I said I prefer to compete in every sport. It's all about expectations.

Everyone does. But that isn't entirely realistic for most schools in this country.

KC_Connection 06-14-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819800)
Kansas is a larger state than Hawaii, Nebraska, West Virginia, New Mexico, Nevada, Idaho and Utah. It's about the same size as Arkansas, Mississippi and Iowa.

KU finished behind (and mostly well behind) Hawaii, New Mexico, Utah, West Virginia, Boise State, BYU, Nebraska, Arkansas, Iowa, Mississippi, and Iowa State in the Director's Cup.

Forgive my ignorance, but WTF is the Director's Cup and why should I care?


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