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Bearcat 06-16-2024 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17553505)
I never enjoyed stouts, but as I've gotten older I've learned to love them. The Triple Mash scared me at first, but you couldn't tell it was 18%. Very chocolate-y. Their variant out now, the Smore's is one of my favorites too.

Granted, I do enjoy pastry stouts the most, I can still appreciate all of them.

The perks of working in the beer industry is telling my wife that I'm buying/drinking for "science." LMAO

:D

These days, it's tough to find one that's actually boozy, even if it is 18%... granted, I've been sipping bourbon for a few years now, so that could have something to do with it.

Make the trip to BFE, Iowa and visit Toppling Goliath and Pulpit Rock if you haven't... their stouts are out of this world (and basically everything TG does is great).

scho63 06-16-2024 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17553505)
I never enjoyed stouts, but as I've gotten older I've learned to love them. The Triple Mash scared me at first, but you couldn't tell it was 18%. Very chocolate-y. Their variant out now, the Smore's is one of my favorites too.

Granted, I do enjoy pastry stouts the most, I can still appreciate all of them.

The perks of working in the beer industry is telling my wife that I'm buying/drinking for "science." LMAO

Poorly made high ABV beers are alcohol forward and I normally don't like.

Great made high ABV stouts can mask that and taste great.

Womble 06-16-2024 10:25 AM

Just collected a few IPAs from New York based Fidens and Root + Branch breweries. Very expensive because of the transatlantic travel costs and excise duty.

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Ceej 06-16-2024 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17553517)
:D

These days, it's tough to find one that's actually boozy, even if it is 18%... granted, I've been sipping bourbon for a few years now, so that could have something to do with it.

Make the trip to BFE, Iowa and visit Toppling Goliath and Pulpit Rock if you haven't... their stouts are out of this world (and basically everything TG does is great).

We actually had made plans to go to a Cake concert last month in Des Moines. We were going to visit Barn Town Brewery, who make incredible sours if you can get your hands on them. Unfortunately, the Mrs. woke up not feeling well that morning.

I've had some of Toppling Goliath's stuff, their recent Hazy IPA collab with Boulevard was so good!

I'll keep my eyes peeled for their stouts, as we get a lot of stuff in Green Bay from TG.

Ceej 06-16-2024 12:43 PM

Also, I highly, highly recommend any pastry stouts from Untitled Art.

Perfection.

Bearcat 06-16-2024 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17553590)
Just collected a few IPAs from New York based Fidens and Root + Branch breweries. Very expensive because of the transatlantic travel costs and excise duty.

I guess a tea tax jokes are probably overdone.

I've heard of Fidens, apparently pretty good... it's in Albany though, which seems like the most boring city in New England, so didn't make it there when I was up that way last year.

Bearcat 06-16-2024 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17553695)
We actually had made plans to go to a Cake concert last month in Des Moines. We were going to visit Barn Town Brewery, who make incredible sours if you can get your hands on them. Unfortunately, the Mrs. woke up not feeling well that morning.

I've had some of Toppling Goliath's stuff, their recent Hazy IPA collab with Boulevard was so good!

I'll keep my eyes peeled for their stouts, as we get a lot of stuff in Green Bay from TG.

I'd be curious if you get any of their Term Oil stuff... I've seen one ever in AZ out by lewdog and it was like $15 for a 5oz pour. LMAO Their Fresh Batch stouts are really good, too though and distributed a bit more widely.

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17553698)
Also, I highly, highly recommend any pastry stouts from Untitled Art.

Perfection.

Yeah, they make good beer, and generally less expensive, too.



Currently sipping a Drekker PB&J sour... they nailed it, has a great PB&J smell to it and nailed the flavor.

https://i.imgur.com/39lrHmK.jpeg

Marcellus 06-16-2024 02:56 PM

https://i.imgur.com/uQZ2Iyg.jpg

Second batch of this brew with Citra, Mosaic, and Idaho 7 hops. Comes in just under 8%. ****ing delicious.

I call it Big Juicy Bitch.

Bearcat 06-16-2024 03:04 PM

That's a great looking beer!

Damn, we're going to need to do a CP Beer Thread Collab.


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Ceej 06-16-2024 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17553847)
I'd be curious if you get any of their Term Oil stuff... I've seen one ever in AZ out by lewdog and it was like $15 for a 5oz pour. LMAO Their Fresh Batch stouts are really good, too though and distributed a bit more widely.



Yeah, they make good beer, and generally less expensive, too.



Currently sipping a Drekker PB&J sour... they nailed it, has a great PB&J smell to it and nailed the flavor.

https://i.imgur.com/39lrHmK.jpeg

I liked both of their PB&J brews. They make some fun stuff. I really enjoy their CHONK stuff too.

A buddy of mine sells for them up here in GB and hasn't offered me any cans yet.

The asshole.

Bearcat 06-16-2024 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17553873)
I liked both of their PB&J brews. They make some fun stuff. I really enjoy their CHONK stuff too.

A buddy of mine sells for them up here in GB and hasn't offered me any cans yet.

The asshole.

I'm a beer sipper (just finished the PB&J), but damn those Drekker smoothie sours go down easy... crushable as the youngsters say.

I hit some great breweries last year, including a couple of longtime bucket list places like Prairie in OKC and Southern Tier in upstate NY... and I'd love to hit up Drekker at some point, except the fact they're in freakin' Fargo. :(

Ceej 06-16-2024 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17553911)
I'm a beer sipper (just finished the PB&J), but damn those Drekker smoothie sours go down easy... crushable as the youngsters say.

I hit some great breweries last year, including a couple of longtime bucket list places like Prairie in OKC and Southern Tier in upstate NY... and I'd love to hit up Drekker at some point, except the fact they're in freakin' Fargo. :(

Southern Tier is a brand I work with. But admittedly, I haven't been a big fan of their beers, minus the PB Cup. I tried their Fall brews (Warlock, and Caramel Pumpkin) and I just wasn't a fan. For some reason, their beers leave a weird aftertaste for me.

I have a lot of breweries on my bucket list, outside of Drekker. We really wanna visit Portland, Maine and hit up Definitive, and Allagash atop of that list.

We are going to Ursa Minor next month and I've heard nothing but great things.

Bearcat 06-16-2024 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17553938)
Southern Tier is a brand I work with. But admittedly, I haven't been a big fan of their beers, minus the PB Cup. I tried their Fall brews (Warlock, and Caramel Pumpkin) and I just wasn't a fan. For some reason, their beers leave a weird aftertaste for me.

I have a lot of breweries on my bucket list, outside of Drekker. We really wanna visit Portland, Maine and hit up Definitive, and Allagash atop of that list.

We are going to Ursa Minor next month and I've heard nothing but great things.

Southern Tier was at its best several years ago IMO with the original Blackwater Series releases of Choklat, Choklat Oranj, Creme Brulee, and the Cinnamon Roll Ale... they just freakin nailed the flavors, especially Creme Brulee. I still think they do good stuff and had a Pumking and a hazelnut stout at the brewery. They also have a distillery across the street from the brewery in Lakewood, where they mimic brewery flavors... they had a cinnamon apple whiskey that was fireball-like in flavor, but far superior. They've nitro'd a bunch of their beers, which I'm not a big fan of in general... around here, I'll grab a Cinnamon Roll whenever I see it (and it's been a few years) and the French Toast is pretty good.

Portland is awesome... Barreled Souls is in nearby Saco and they have world class stouts and barleywines. Bissell Brothers, Allagash, and so on. Jot down High Roller Lobster Company, that place is incredible (it's hard to go wrong with food though).

Speaking of Fargo, Duluth is way the hell up there, too. LMAO Wouldn't mind hitting up Surly in Minneapolis one day, too.

Saulbadguy 06-16-2024 07:27 PM

I'm headed to Indianapolis for a few days next week - plan on revisiting 450 North for their ridiculous slushy sours. Any other recommendos? I didn't get to go to Guggman Haus last time, so that is on the list.

Bearcat 08-09-2024 08:53 PM

North Park is dangerously close and oh so delicious... I've never been one to seek out the absolute freshest IPAs, but the guy at the counter today mentioned "well, that one is like 2 weeks old...", so they take it seriously. LMAO

Grabbed a 4 pack, canned 4 days ago. :drool:

https://i.imgur.com/314Kizu.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/3qXaiLg.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/kHW3tOE.jpeg

Ceej 08-09-2024 08:59 PM

I've had some decent beer this week.

Untitled Art's German Chocolate Pastry Stout - pretty smooth, and not overly boozy for 17%.

Drekker's new Fluff Stuff Raspberry - solid, but I prefer the mango and strawberry.

I also tried their Shark Punch Braaaaaaaains. Good stuff.

Headed to Cocoon Brewery tomorrow - probably my favorite brewery in Green Bay.

Honestly, most of the breweries in Green Bay are ass, outside of Cocoon.

Bearcat 08-09-2024 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17623919)
I've had some decent beer this week.

Untitled Art's German Chocolate Pastry Stout - pretty smooth, and not overly boozy for 17%.

Drekker's new Fluff Stuff Raspberry - solid, but I prefer the mango and strawberry.

I also tried their Shark Punch Braaaaaaaains. Good stuff.

Headed to Cocoon Brewery tomorrow - probably my favorite brewery in Green Bay.

Honestly, most of the breweries in Green Bay are ass, outside of Cocoon.

Never heard of it, but that line up looks killer... they have a beer named Bullet with Butterfly Wings and the first one I clicked on was "maple syrup and loads of blue berry puree".

Might have to add that one to my far north Drekker/Surly/Ursa adventure one day.

scho63 08-09-2024 09:14 PM

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Had two of these last week at Oskars Slider Bar in Louisville.

Einstok Toasted Porter

Low ABV made them easy to drink on a very humid, hot day with the food.

Nice tasty smoky flavor.

scho63 08-09-2024 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6719233)
I would like to post for you all the contents of my beer fridge & beer cellar. I am but a poor college student, so it isn't all that impressive. But still:
Beer Fridge:<o></o>
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1x Mikkeller 1000 IBU<o></o>
1x Mikkeller Nelson Sauvin Single Hop IPA<o></o>
1x Stone Cali-Belgique IPA<o></o>
1x Russian River Pliny the Elder<o></o>
3x Oskar Blues GUBNA<o></o>
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Strong Ale/Barleywine:<o></o>
1x 2010 Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Barleywine<o></o>
1x 2010 Founders Nemesis (Wheatwine)<o></o>
1x Stone Sublimely-Self Righteous Ale (strong ale)<o></o>
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Stout/Imperial Stout:<o></o>
1xBeer Here Dark Hops (hoppy stout)<o></o>
1x 2010 Founders Kentucky Breakfast Stout<o></o>
3x Great Lakes Blackout Stout <o></o>
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Belgian Styles:<o></o>
1x 2010 Boulevard [Smokestack Series Limited-Release] Bourbon Barrel Quad (quadruple)<o></o>
1x Boulevard [Smokestack Series Limited-Release] Collaboration No. 1 (Imperial Pilsner w/ Jon-Marie Rock of Orval monestary/brewery)<o></o>
1x Boulevard [Smokestack Series] Saison<o></o>
1x Boulevard [Smokestack Series] Tank 7 Farmhouse Ale (saison)<o></o>
1x Jolly Pumpkin Bam Noire (saison)<o></o>
1x Goose Island Sofie (saison)<o></o>
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German Styles:<o></o>
2x Boulevard Boss Tom’s Golden Bock<o></o>
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Imperial Stout:<o></o>
10x Boulevard [Smokestack Series] Dark Truth Stout<o></o>
2x Boulevard [Smokestack Series Limited-Release] Imperial Stout<o></o>
2x 2009 Deschutes The Abyss (imperial stout)<o></o>

1x Central Waters Bourbon Barrel Stout<o></o>
1x 2008 Schlafly Reserve Bourbon Barrel Imperial Stout<o></o>
1x 2009 Oskar Blues Ten FIDY Imperial Stout<o></o>
2x 2010 Founders Kentucky Breakfast Stout<o></o>
1x 2009 Founders Imperial Stout
1x 2008 Bell’s Expedition Stout<o></o>
1x 2008 Stone Imperial Russian Stout<o></o>
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Strong Ale/Barleywine:<o></o>
5x 2009 Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Barleywine<o></o>
5x 2010 Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Barleywine<o></o>
3x 2010 Founders Nemesis (wheatwine)<o></o>
1x Boulevard [Smokestack Series] Harvest Dance Wheatwine<o></o>
1x Boulevard [Smokestack Series Limited Release] Rye-on-Rye (ryewine)<o></o>
1x Hair of the Dog Fred (barleywine)<o></o>
1x 2009 Hair of the Dog Doggie Claws (barleywine)<o></o>
1x East End Brewing Gratitude (barleywine)<o></o>
5x Bell’s Batch 9000 Ale (strong ale)<o></o>
1x 2010 Stone Old Guardian Barleywine<o></o>
1x Port Old Viscosity (strong ale)<o></o>
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Saison/Farmhouse Ale:<o></o>
5x 2009 Boulevard [Smokestack Series Limited Release] Saison-Brett<o></o>
1x New Glarus Imperial Saison<o></o>
1x Lost Abbey Red Barn Farmhouse Ale<o></o>
1x The Bruery Saison de Lente<o></o>
1x The Bruery Saison Rue<o></o>
1x Dupont Avec Les Bons Voeux<o></o>
2x Fantome Belgian Saison<o></o>
2x Fantome Saison D'Erezée - Hiver<o></o>
1x Fantome BBB Dark White<o></o>
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Belgian styles:<o></o>
1x 2010 Boulevard [Smokestack Series Limited Release] Bourbon Barrel Quad<o></o>
1x Russian River Damnation (Belgian strong pale ale)<o></o>
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Wild Ale/Sour Beer:<o></o>
1x Russian River Consecration (wild ale)<o></o>
1x Russian River Temptation (wild ale)<o></o>
1x Victory WildDevil (Belgian IPA w/ Brettonomyces)<o></o>
1x Goose Island Juliet (wild ale)<o></o>
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Porter:<o></o>
1x 2009 Deschutes Black Butte XXI (imperial porter)<o></o>
1x 2009 Alaskan Smoked Porter<o></o>
1x Stone Vertical Epic 09.09.09 (Belgian imperial porter)<o></o>
1x New Glarus Olde English Porter<o></o>
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Fruit beer:<o></o>
1x New Glarus Raspberry Tart
1x New Glarus Belgian Red<o></o>
1x Dogfish Head Fort<o></o>
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Miscellaneous:<o></o>
1x 2006 Deschutes Jubilale (winter warmer)<o></o>
1x 2010 Bell’s HopSlam<o></o>

This guy was serious!

Ceej 08-09-2024 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17623944)
Never heard of it, but that line up looks killer... they have a beer named Bullet with Butterfly Wings and the first one I clicked on was "maple syrup and loads of blue berry puree".

Might have to add that one to my far north Drekker/Surly/Ursa adventure one day.

We were just up in Grand Marais a few weeks back. We had plans to visit Ursa Minor on our way through, but didn't time wasn't on our side. However, I was able to get my hands on some of their offerings - Galactic Face Slap and Badass Warrior Goddess are both solid hazy IPAs.

If you do have the extra time - check out Voyageur Brewing up in Grand Marais, some really solid beer, a great atmosphere and a pretty sweet view.

Ceej 08-09-2024 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17623949)
Had two of these last week at Oskars Slider Bar in Louisville.

Einstok Toasted Porter

Low ABV made them easy to drink on a very humid, hot day with the food.

Nice tasty smoky flavor.

We sell/distribute this.

It's pretty cool seeing some of the beers I work with daily being consumed by fellow Chiefs Planeteers.

Bearcat 08-09-2024 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17623958)
We were just up in Grand Marais a few weeks back. We had plans to visit Ursa Minor on our way through, but didn't time wasn't on our side. However, I was able to get my hands on some of their offerings - Galactic Face Slap and Badass Warrior Goddess are both solid hazy IPAs.

If you do have the extra time - check out Voyageur Brewing up in Grand Marais, some really solid beer, a great atmosphere and a pretty sweet view.

Damn, that's up there... and I thought driving to Duluth would be out of the way. LMAO

And damn, look at Reaper with New Glarus back in freakin' 2010, don't think you can get it outside of Wisconsin now.

SithCeNtZ 08-10-2024 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17553980)

Portland is awesome... Barreled Souls is in nearby Saco and they have world class stouts and barleywines. Bissell Brothers, Allagash, and so on. Jot down High Roller Lobster Company, that place is incredible (it's hard to go wrong with food though).

I was in Portland for the fourth of July and got to hit up Tree House on the way up which was a bucket list for me, but Bissell Brothers was awesome as well. And they have probably the greatest brewery business location I've ever seen, placed strategically across the parking lot from the Portland Childrens museum. So you are sitting there and it's just wave after wave of weary parents needing a drink in the worst way after herding their kids for 3 hours. They just print money on the weekends because of that.

kgrund 08-10-2024 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17623905)
North Park is dangerously close and oh so delicious... I've never been one to seek out the absolute freshest IPAs, but the guy at the counter today mentioned "well, that one is like 2 weeks old...", so they take it seriously. LMAO

Grabbed a 4 pack, canned 4 days ago. :drool:

https://i.imgur.com/314Kizu.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/3qXaiLg.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/kHW3tOE.jpeg

Was in SD in late June and hit North Park and no doubt their stuff is legit. Tasty!

Bearcat 08-10-2024 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ (Post 17624162)
I was in Portland for the fourth of July and got to hit up Tree House on the way up which was a bucket list for me, but Bissell Brothers was awesome as well. And they have probably the greatest brewery business location I've ever seen, placed strategically across the parking lot from the Portland Childrens museum. So you are sitting there and it's just wave after wave of weary parents needing a drink in the worst way after herding their kids for 3 hours. They just print money on the weekends because of that.

LMAO ...stopped by BB for a stout, but it was a pretty quick stop since I wanted one more chance to get to Barrelled Souls.

I stopped by Tree House Tewksbury a couple times and that property is freakin' amazing... I'd get there right at opening because so many reviews talked about how crazy it was, but never saw it out of control and at most it took a couple minutes to get beer. It used to be a golf club house and they have a great outdoor space. IPAs were great of course, and they had some really good stouts as well (of course I'm the only person in the world who goes to Tree House and orders the stouts).

Trillium in downtown Boston was a favorite, too.

KCUnited 08-10-2024 10:09 AM

The BEST beers in PHX are North Park distro

https://i.imgur.com/I6Kkq1B.jpg

Ceej 08-10-2024 11:23 AM

Man, I'm just hearing about The Great Taste of the Midwest - located in Madison, Wisconsin every year.

There are approximately 1400 beers to try for only $70.

I'm definitely hitting it up next year. You guys should check out the breweries on the list. Insane.

KCUnited 08-10-2024 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17624323)
Man, I'm just hearing about The Great Taste of the Midwest - located in Madison, Wisconsin every year.

There are approximately 1400 beers to try for only $70.

I'm definitely hitting it up next year. You guys should check out the breweries on the list. Insane.

I went to The Taste in 2021 and I'd put it in my top 3 festivals, competing with DLD and FoBAB in Chicago

Whats cool about The Taste is breweries are required to represent to attend. Lot of breweries just send kegs to festivals and its local volunteers pouring them, but with The Taste you get to interact and network with the actual brewers, not just at the event, but the day or 2 leading up to with special tapping events happening all over Madison. Its an actual brewers festival

Pro tip: its a lottery system for tickets (at least it was in '21 but that was coming out of Covid) unless you live in Madison then I think they go on sale to locals at like HyVee or someplace comparible. So even if you think there's a chance, I'd book a refundable room now and cancel if you can't make it. Also the whole thing is totally walkable from the capital area and they offer free rides back. Also join the Facebook group and you can usually find tickets at cost if you don't land the lottery

In '21 to get tickets you had to physically mail them a check and if it got cashed you knew you won the lottery and they mailed you the tickets. Its Midwest AF LMAO

Its a world class run festival though. I hope to return one day

Oh and you get the taster glass

https://i.imgur.com/YdZVXs3.jpg

Ceej 08-10-2024 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17624343)
I went to The Taste in 2021 and I'd put it in my top 3 festivals, competing with DLD and FoBAB in Chicago

Whats cool about The Taste is breweries are required to represent to attend. Lot of breweries just send kegs to festivals and its local volunteers pouring them, but with The Taste you get to interact and network with the actual brewers, not just at the event, but the day or 2 leading up to with special tapping events happening all over Madison. Its an actual brewers festival

Pro tip: its a lottery system for tickets (at least it was in '21 but that was coming out of Covid) unless you live in Madison then I think they go on sale to locals at like HyVee or someplace comparible. So even if you think there's a chance, I'd book a refundable room now and cancel if you can't make it. Also the whole thing is totally walkable from the capital area and they offer free rides back. Also join the Facebook group and you can usually find tickets at cost if you don't land the lottery

In '21 to get tickets you had to physically mail them a check and if it got cashed you knew you won the lottery and they mailed you the tickets. Its Midwest AF LMAO

Its a world class run festival though. I hope to return one day

Oh and you get the taster glass

https://i.imgur.com/YdZVXs3.jpg

Appreciate all of the information - thankfully we live about 2 hours from Madison. My wife will be the DD, hopefully. LMAO

KCUnited 08-10-2024 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17624360)
Appreciate all of the information - thankfully we live about 2 hours from Madison. My wife will be the DD, hopefully. LMAO

I lived in Chicago for a decade and regret only making it once, so 2 hours away is a must-do

Bring snacks and water. I think I took a Coleman backpack cooler and some foldout chairs for the wife and I

I know Surly does an event in the days leading up. Toppling Goliath brings the heat. Drekker brings the goods. Download the app and see where breweries are if you want to make a plan. Lot of people go crazy over the hype beers but there's plenty of great shit pouring all day. Thought I read where Goose isn't going this year so maybe no BCBS but there's better stuff there anyway

Not sure what its like there now but we got perfect weather in '21 which added to the joy

Madison is awesome

Bearcat 08-10-2024 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17624323)
Man, I'm just hearing about The Great Taste of the Midwest - located in Madison, Wisconsin every year.

There are approximately 1400 beers to try for only $70.

I'm definitely hitting it up next year. You guys should check out the breweries on the list. Insane.

Gimme a minute...
https://program.greattaste.org/

Marcellus 08-10-2024 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17623954)
This guy was serious!

Reaper was a seriosu dude in all aspects. Not sure what happened to him.

One of my first ever neg reps way back in the day was an argument about rap music vs old school rock LMAO.

Looking back I can't say he was totally wrong but I still stand by my original concept of thought. :D

Bearcat 08-10-2024 04:21 PM

Floyds with like 5 Dark Lords stouts is about all I need to know about that beer fest.... noticed Founders is bringing back CBS (that never seemed to go away), that's cool.

Mikerphone looks fun as does Revolution. Toppling Goliath seems a bit lacking compared to others, but Caramel Apple Fandango is great along with Mornin' Delight... figured they'd have a Term Oil, I guess.

I'm game... Drekker, Surly, that one in Duluth and that other one in Canada or some shit, beer fest, hit up Mikerphone and Toppling Goliath/Pulpit Rock.

Gain 30 pounds.

It'll be awesome.

Bearcat 08-10-2024 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17624673)
Reaper was a seriosu dude in all aspects. Not sure what happened to him.

One of my first ever neg reps way back in the day was an argument about rap music vs old school rock LMAO.

Looking back I can't say he was totally wrong but I still stand by my original concept of thought. :D

His music lists were insane... he'd rate like symphonic music and then the heaviest death-iest metal music that was just screaming, and then he was a beer connoisseur, food aficionado.

KCUnited 08-10-2024 05:08 PM

Half Acre Triple Barrel Catch Hell is the best beer on that list

Don’t sleep on Forager. Nilerzzzzz was one of my favorite beers at The Taste

EDIT: Maplewood Cuppa Neat:Stg Jr would be a must. Cuppa Neats are their non-adjuncts. First was Pappy barrels and one of Chicago’s best

Rev’s Cherry VSOJ is brewers kiss

phisherman 08-10-2024 06:51 PM

Having some beers and whisky nips tonight for the Chiefs game. Starting with some 10 year Ben Nevis in oloroso and a BKS KC Wide Open IPA, brewed by a local disc golfer Dick Parker for our local pro tour disc golf event, the KC Wide Open. If I knew how to use any of the technology at my hands, I'd post a picture but don't wait up for me.

Little bit green but minimal hop burn, it's a huge Citra bomb. No wonder since I think it's Citra, Citra Cryo and some more Citra in some form or fashion. Very tasty, soft mouthfeel. Water profile is right on point for the style.

Ceej 08-11-2024 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17624784)
Half Acre Triple Barrel Catch Hell is the best beer on that list

Don’t sleep on Forager. Nilerzzzzz was one of my favorite beers at The Taste

EDIT: Maplewood Cuppa Neat:Stg Jr would be a must. Cuppa Neats are their non-adjuncts. First was Pappy barrels and one of Chicago’s best

Rev’s Cherry VSOJ is brewers kiss

Just saw they're releasing Before Land Shook next week - Vanilla, marshmallow, and sea salt. 17%. It sounds ****ing tasty.

Ceej 08-11-2024 06:17 AM

Also, any of you guys use UnTapped religiously?

I could use some friends on there.

Bearcat 08-11-2024 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17625981)
Also, any of you guys use UnTapped religiously?

I could use some friends on there.

Not really... being able to pull up nearby venues is great when traveling, but I don't care for their scoring system at all, so I rarely participate in that (I find beer advocate a far better reflection of whether I'll enjoy a particular beer).

KCUnited 08-11-2024 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17625981)
Also, any of you guys use UnTapped religiously?

I could use some friends on there.

I haven't logged anything on Untappd for a few years

I got to the point where the beers would come out and I'd pull my phone out and open the app. Then once I had my phone out it was like let me check my email, CP or whatever instead of just enjoying the beer. So I shut it down for my own sake

The scoring is also a little comical. Ewwww a lager 2/5 but a shitty IPA 3.9/5

I do like to see what beers are being posted so I know whats out and where so it does have its usefulness

HonestChieffan 08-11-2024 08:40 AM

Seeing the Octoberfest brews hitting stores. Always a good thing

Bearcat 08-11-2024 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17626014)
I haven't logged anything on Untappd for a few years

I got to the point where the beers would come out and I'd pull my phone out and open the app. Then once I had my phone out it was like let me check my email, CP or whatever instead of just enjoying the beer. So I shut it down for my own sake

The scoring is also a little comical. Ewwww a lager 2/5 but a shitty IPA 3.9/5

I do like to see what beers are being posted so I know whats out and where so it does have its usefulness

I haven't rated many, and none in the past few years, but I'm always about +0.5-0.7 above the overall score (I've never jumped on there to throw shade).

North Park Hazies coming in at 4.38.

KCUnited 08-11-2024 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17626100)
I haven't rated many, and none in the past few years, but I'm always about +0.5-0.7 above the overall score (I've never jumped on there to throw shade).

North Park Hazies coming in at 4.38.

I don't really pay attention to the scores unless they're really bad. There's way more mediocre beer out there than good to great but you wouldn't know it by looking at Untappd

I think the average score is in the upper 3's which defies math on a 5 point scale

People want beer to be better than it really is especially if you'd sought it out and paid for it. Then the whole style bias, rating while inebriated, not wanting to self admit you're drinking a shit beer, etc.

Ceej 08-11-2024 09:19 AM

It's cool.

I'll just go **** myself. :D

Ceej 08-11-2024 09:22 AM

I guess I use Untapped more as a beer journal - that way I don't drink a beer I've already had before, unless I love it.

It can get tricky for me when it comes to Drekker and Untitled Arts.

Bearcat 08-11-2024 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17626111)
I don't really pay attention to the scores unless they're really bad. There's way more mediocre beer out there than good to great but you wouldn't know it by looking at Untappd

I think the average score is in the upper 3's which defies math on a 5 point scale

People want beer to be better than it really is especially if you'd sought it out and paid for it. Then the whole style bias, rating while inebriated, not wanting to self admit you're drinking a shit beer, etc.

Yeah, if it's like 3.8 on Untappd, it'll most likely be <90 on beer advocate and come in as questionable..... if it's 4.2 on Untappd, it could be an 88 'good' or 97 world class on beer advocate.

And the raw ratings on beer advocate can be very similar to Untappd, making it just as frustrating if a beer doesn't have enough ratings to hit their 100 point scale... but, even then I'll trust a detailed 4.17 review on there over a bunch of pics and 4.00 ratings on Untappd.

Bearcat 08-11-2024 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17626142)
I guess I use Untapped more as a beer journal - that way I don't drink a beer I've already had before, unless I love it.

It can get tricky for me when it comes to Drekker and Untitled Arts.

I really should use something given all the travel... I see stuff on shelves that I remember drinking (or did I just Google it...), but I'm generally so picky, I'll opt to only try something that's either well vetted online or that I can sample or buy a single.

KCUnited 08-11-2024 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17626147)
Yeah, if it's like 3.8 on Untappd, it'll most likely be <90 on beer advocate and come in as questionable..... if it's 4.2 on Untappd, it could be an 88 'good' or 97 world class on beer advocate.

And the raw ratings on beer advocate can be very similar to Untappd, making it just as frustrating if a beer doesn't have enough ratings to hit their 100 point scale... but, even then I'll trust a detailed 4.17 review on there over a bunch of pics and 4.00 ratings on Untappd.

Used together BA and Untappd is probably the best gauge

I participated quite a bit on BA, especially the Great Lakes forum, and those dudes in general seem to be more old school. So they're probably underscoring hype beers vs Untappd hyping beers

I do like to look at pics on Untappd though as a gauge

Its similar to Yelp for me. I don't care what you thought of the decor and maybe service was off that night but I can tell I'm going to enjoy that chimichanga by the pic

KCUnited 08-11-2024 09:51 AM

Untappd can also be good for seeing when a beer was released if a brewery doesn't date their cans. Just scroll back and see when it started getting posted on Untappd

Bearcat 08-11-2024 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17626160)
Used together BA and Untappd is probably the best gauge

I participated quite a bit on BA, especially the Great Lakes forum, and those dudes in general seem to be more old school. So they're probably underscoring hype beers vs Untappd hyping beers

I do like to look at pics on Untappd though as a gauge

Its similar to Yelp for me. I don't care what you thought of the decor and maybe service was off that night but I can tell I'm going to enjoy that chimichanga by the pic

Yeah and you'll get 'to the style' perfection like Pliny and CBS being 100 on beer advocate (and could even make the argument of being 100 overall 20 years ago).... both of those are right around 4.5 on Untappd, and ironically that's about what I'd rate them today.

KCUnited 08-11-2024 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17626196)
Yeah and you'll get 'to the style' perfection like Pliny and CBS being 100 on beer advocate (and could even make the argument of being 100 overall 20 years ago).... both of those are right around 4.5 on Untappd, and ironically that's about what I'd rate them today.

Definitely some style evolution going on, along with batch variance which I know both platforms try and mitigate when people are adding beers

I think Untappd does a better job of adding the year it was released or batch 1, 2, 3, etc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17625981)
Also, any of you guys use UnTapped religiously?

I could use some friends on there.

WTH I'll fire mine back up

Bearcat 08-11-2024 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17626206)
Definitely some style evolution going on, along with batch variance which I know both platforms try and mitigate when people are adding beers

I think Untappd does a better job of adding the year it was released or batch 1, 2, 3, etc

Guess I've never thought of the difference between annual releases... you'll get the long list of releases on one review page on beeradvocate, which I guess helps with volume of reviews and not having 10 years of release pages that don't qualify for a rating. And then you at least have more detailed reviews as long as you check dates/releases of the reviews.... but yeah, it's not as nuanced year to year either.

I'm sure both platforms have their share of shouting at clouds of how current releases aren't like it used to be in the old days when you had to walk up hill both ways in the snow to get your one bottle limit of BCS per store.

KCUnited 08-11-2024 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17626301)
Guess I've never thought of the difference between annual releases... you'll get the long list of releases on one review page on beeradvocate, which I guess helps with volume of reviews and not having 10 years of release pages that don't qualify for a rating. And then you at least have more detailed reviews as long as you check dates/releases of the reviews.... but yeah, it's not as nuanced year to year either.

I'm sure both platforms have their share of shouting at clouds of how current releases aren't like it used to be in the old days when you had to walk up hill both ways in the snow to get your one bottle limit of BCS per store.

Yeah especially when you're using additives like coffee, vanilla, etc. You're reliant on the source, so if those alter, your recipe varies

I think there was a decade between CBS releases. So ingredient variances (droughts, contracts), brewhouse upgrades, process upgrades, scaling up the recipe, distro conditions, packaging format changes...all things that can create variance among releases

Ceej 08-11-2024 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17626206)
Definitely some style evolution going on, along with batch variance which I know both platforms try and mitigate when people are adding beers

I think Untappd does a better job of adding the year it was released or batch 1, 2, 3, etc



WTH I'll fire mine back up

BigCeej33

KCUnited 08-11-2024 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17626440)
BigCeej33

Sweet. I sent mine via rep but for anyone else

CaveState

My last recorded beer was Bottle Logic However Improbable (2019) in 2019

Request sent

Ceej 08-11-2024 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17626461)
Sweet. I sent mine via rep but for anyone else

CaveState

My last recorded beer was Bottle Logic However Improbable (2019) in 2019

Request sent

Accepted.

I was snooping - i guess I didn't realize RaR had been around. We just recently started getting some of their stuff in Green Bay. Solid beers and great can art.

Welcome back!

Bearcat 08-11-2024 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17626461)

My last recorded beer was Bottle Logic However Improbable (2019) in 2019

4.25

KCUnited 08-11-2024 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17626503)
Accepted.

I was snooping - i guess I didn't realize RaR had been around. We just recently started getting some of their stuff in Green Bay. Solid beers and great can art.

Welcome back!

FWIW I had that RaR at a brewery in Hawaii in '19 that the guy shared with us because we were the only 3 people there on like a Wednesday at open

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17626506)
4.25

That one might be underrated

Ceej 08-14-2024 07:39 PM

I might have to head down to Sheboygan, Wisconsin this weekend.

Their Wolf variants are dropping this weekend - great stouts.

This weekend's release:

Wolf Bitter Barrel Aged
Wolf with Anodyne Coffee
Wolf with Blue Bottle Coffee
Wolf with Dark Matter Coffee
Wolf with Roseline Coffee
Wolf with Raspberry & Coffee

Highly recommend them and their beer if you guys are ever in lake side Wisconsin.

KCUnited 08-27-2024 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17626534)
FWIW I had that RaR at a brewery in Hawaii in '19 that the guy shared with us because we were the only 3 people there on like a Wednesday at open

^^^this was at Inu Island Ale^^^

Admittedly showing off a bit here but when people question why I'm Team Oahu over Team Maui, a visit to Inu Island Ale is a legit consideration that goes into the planning

Hanna Banana

https://i.imgur.com/O5fOD4Q.jpg

Citra Citra Citra (Airbnb plasticware)

https://i.imgur.com/EZWCyMR.jpg

Hana Koa/Inu Island Ale collab: The Californians https://untappd.com/b/hana-koa-brewi...rnians/5938119 (Chicago Half Acre Big North coozie)

https://i.imgur.com/HHTfHGf.jpg

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Bowser 08-27-2024 03:16 PM

It's hot and muggy as hell in KC right now which makes that Citra Citra Citra looks pretty damned refreshing and delicious.

Ceej 08-27-2024 03:54 PM

80+ degrees in Green Bay and I'm drinking an Imperial Porter called, "Why is the Cake Gone?" LMAO

KCUnited 09-02-2024 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17624784)
Half Acre Triple Barrel Catch Hell is the best beer on that list

Don’t sleep on Forager. Nilerzzzzz was one of my favorite beers at The Taste

EDIT: Maplewood Cuppa Neat:Stg Jr would be a must. Cuppa Neats are their non-adjuncts. First was Pappy barrels and one of Chicago’s best

Rev’s Cherry VSOJ is brewers kiss

Can confirm

https://i.imgur.com/oIDewMz.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17649659)
80+ degrees in Green Bay and I'm drinking an Imperial Porter called, "Why is the Cake Gone?" LMAO

101 here...cheers

Happy Labor Day

scho63 09-02-2024 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17649473)
^^^this was at Inu Island Ale^^^

Hanna Banana

I would be all over this. :thumb:

Is this available here in AZ?

Bearcat 09-07-2024 09:13 AM

Modern Times closing another location in San Diego :(

https://www.sandiegoville.com/2024/0...ting-down.html



Quote:

San Diego's Modern Times Beer, now owned by Maui Brewing Company, will soon close its flagship brewery and transition to contract brewing.

After a challenging few years following a devastating over-expansion, Modern Times announced to staff during a company wide meeting on Friday that the company has decided to shut down its original brewery in the Midway district of Point Loma, where it has operated since 2013. This move comes as part of a broader restructuring following a tumultuous period for the once-thriving San Diego craft brewery. At least 57 jobs will be cut as part of the impending closure.

In April 2022, following the closure of half its locations, Modern Times faced litigation from its lenders, leading to a court-ordered sale. During a June auction, Anaheim-based Brewery X initially won the bid for $20 million, over twice Maui Brewing's $7.62 million offer. However, in July 2022, Modern Times CEO Jennifer Briggs announced that Brewery X chose not to complete the sale, allowing Maui Brewing to acquire the company for $15.3 million.

The San Diego brewery will permanently close its longtime home within the next couple months. Modern Times will then brew its beer on a contract basis with Alesmith Brewing in Miramar. The company will continue operating its North Park and Encinitas tasting rooms for the foreseeable future.

"When we set out to find a brewing partner, two things were non-negotiable – our commitment to quality and brewing Modern Times where the brand started and is the strongest – San Diego," commented Garrett W. Marrero, co-founder and CEO of Craft ‘Ohana, Maui Brewing's parent company. "AleSmith delivers on both of those for us. We’re excited to work with my good friend Peter and his team."

Modern Times experienced rapid expansion after founder Jacob McKean launched the company in 2013. In addition to being California's first employee-owned brewery, the craft brewery opened several locations across California and Oregon. However, the company's footprint has since dwindled to just three locations.

In 2014, Modern Times opened a North Park tasting room dubbed the Flavordome. The company then launched a downtown Los Angeles restaurant and tasting room named The Dankness Dojo, a tasting room and restaurant in Encinitas named 'The Far West Lounge', a full brewery operation in Portland, Oregon named 'The Belmont Fermentorium', the Invigatorium coffee shop in San Diego's East Village in partnership with Consortium Holdings, the Modern Times Academy of Recreational Sciences tasting room and restaurant in Santa Barbara, The House of Perpetual Refreshment in Oakland, and the gigantic Leisuretown project in Anaheim, CA.

In 2021, McKean resigned as CEO amid allegations of harassment and discrimination within the craft beer industry, with many accusations involving Modern Times. Jennifer Briggs, the former New Belgium Brewing executive, took over as CEO in January 2022. Despite her efforts to sell the company and cover its debts, the court eventually placed Modern Times under receivership, leading to its sale to Maui Brewing.

Ceej 09-07-2024 08:30 PM

Gotta buddy who sells for Mega (including Drekker).

And one of my favorite spots in town got in some of their barrel stouts - which I guess isn't common for them to distribute. I guess most states got only two cases.

How do I not go buy these?

'Til the Night Closes in - Imperial stout aged in whiskey barrels for 26 months, then conditioned on milk sugar and a mountain of toasted coconut.

Dead is Not Dead - stout with cacao nibs and milk sugar, loaded with Madagascar & Mexican vanilla beans. A ton of vanilla.

Bearcat 09-07-2024 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17668133)
Gotta buddy who sells for Mega (including Drekker).

And one of my favorite spots in town got in some of their barrel stouts - which I guess isn't common for them to distribute. I guess most states got only two cases.

How do I not go buy these?

'Til the Night Closes in - Imperial stout aged in whiskey barrels for 26 months, then conditioned on milk sugar and a mountain of toasted coconut.

Dead is Not Dead - stout with cacao nibs and milk sugar, loaded with Madagascar & Mexican vanilla beans. A ton of vanilla.

Can't say I've ever seen a Drekker stout in the wild, but at 13.5%, I'd certainly try one.

Ceej 09-07-2024 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17668172)
Can't say I've ever seen a Drekker stout in the wild, but at 13.5%, I'd certainly try one.

They had one that just came out called, "Flizzard" with Oreo's and Reese's and it sounds ****ing fantastic. 14.7% and I bet it's ****ing smooth.

Bearcat 09-08-2024 02:35 PM

Enjoyed a 2019 Fremont BBA Dark Star: Coffee Edition on tap north of Seattle... they also apparently do some vertical tastings and had about 40 beers on tap. Great, smooth coffee flavor.

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/20680/143753/

Ceej 09-09-2024 04:18 PM

For those here - the beer you guys keep on hand - like what do you typically drink?

Me, personally, most of the beer I keep here at home is just a mixture of 6 beers. Just because generally I just like trying new beer.

I do like Narragansatt, which might be my most favorite beer flavored beer, but for the most part I don't keep 12+ packs of the same stuff at home.

What do you guys generally keep on hand?

KCUnited 09-09-2024 04:26 PM

Here in AZ you can buy singles so I'll usually piece together a couple 4pks of whatever gets released locally or distributed that week. So like 8 different beers that I'll drink over time

Typically a solid combo of west/hazy IPAs that land in a particular week

Shag 09-09-2024 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgrund (Post 17624173)
Was in SD in late June and hit North Park and no doubt their stuff is legit. Tasty!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17666990)
Modern Times closing another location in San Diego :(

https://www.sandiegoville.com/2024/0...ting-down.html

It's their brewery location, and my personal favorite of their spots. They've been trending the wrong way for a while now, this was pretty much inevitable, but a major bummer. I'm assuming this will also end their barrel program, though I hope they find a way to keep it alive.

Bearcat 09-17-2024 06:31 PM

Craft Beer Quick Stop casually dropping some Term Oil

https://i.imgur.com/bIdKC0G.png

Bearcat 09-17-2024 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 17671492)
For those here - the beer you guys keep on hand - like what do you typically drink?

Me, personally, most of the beer I keep here at home is just a mixture of 6 beers. Just because generally I just like trying new beer.

I do like Narragansatt, which might be my most favorite beer flavored beer, but for the most part I don't keep 12+ packs of the same stuff at home.

What do you guys generally keep on hand?

I hardly ever have like a daily drinker on hand... my daily drinker would be like a Drekker smoothie sour, heh. I have been getting more into hazies lately, given I was just down the street from North Park for a bit... but, typically don't have much around the house, tbh.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Shag (Post 17672369)
It's their brewery location, and my personal favorite of their spots. They've been trending the wrong way for a while now, this was pretty much inevitable, but a major bummer. I'm assuming this will also end their barrel program, though I hope they find a way to keep it alive.

Yeah, I stopped by there a few times at the end of 2022... last time I was there, their stout collection was kind of disappointing. Went with a flight of 5 and only one was really good while a couple of the ~8%ers were pretty disappointing (shouldn't have even tried them though).

Think I've been to three of the locations that are now closed... also downtown LA and the one in Anaheim with a freakin' pool. There's really no question why they didn't survive.

KCUnited 09-30-2024 06:20 PM

The Untappd Feral Brewery Cat Chooses You Badge got unlocked at Wren House here in PHX today

Look at them mitts

https://i.imgur.com/sOCUK47.jpg

Womble 10-03-2024 06:58 PM

Will be in KC in a few weeks. Basic Google and untapped research tells me that the best breweries in KC are Alma Mader and BKS Artisanal Ales. But disappointingly it seems that both of these taprooms close at 8pm. So my question is...where in KC can I get beers from these breweries on tap that is open until at least 10pm? Also what's the best non brewery affiliated craft beer bar/taproom in KC?

Bearcat 10-03-2024 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17725051)
Will be in KC in a few weeks. Basic Google and untapped research tells me that the best breweries in KC are Alma Mader and BKS Artisanal Ales. But disappointingly it seems that both of these taprooms close at 8pm. So my question is...where in KC can I get beers from these breweries on tap that is open until at least 10pm? Also what's the best non brewery affiliated craft beer bar/taproom in KC?

In terms of non-brewery options, Taps on Main and Oak & Steel are within walking distance of each other... The Belfry is also close by.

Womble 10-03-2024 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17725089)
In terms of non-brewery options, Taps on Main and Oak & Steel are within walking distance of each other... The Belfry is also close by.

That current tap list for Oak & Steel looks decent cheers. Also lol at Stella being the first beer on the list at Taps on Main. I guess it enjoys a different perception in the US.

scho63 10-03-2024 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17718528)
The Untappd Feral Brewery Cat Chooses You Badge got unlocked at Wren House here in PHX today

Look at them mitts

https://i.imgur.com/sOCUK47.jpg

That's a real underated gem of a place. Mostly serious beer lovers

phisherman 10-03-2024 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17725130)
That current tap list for Oak & Steel looks decent cheers. Also lol at Stella being the first beer on the list at Taps on Main. I guess it enjoys a different perception in the US.

Oak and Steel is great. Can vouch. Staff are all good and knowledgeable folks too. Owner has great taste in music too so the tunes are always good but unobtrusive.

You may also get super lucky when you come to town as they just had their 5th Anniversary week and there are a bunch of good kegs left that he's going to sporadically put (I think, don't kill me, Kyle) on to finish off. He's got some crazy shit.


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