One guy can't play every position.

But he can play one position the best.

Hope he keeps being valuable and leads his team to 3-6 this weekend

As Giselle said, he can’t throw and catch the ball.

Thank Jeebus he has such a proactive organization laser focused on winning around him…..

The total lack of self awareness it takes to troll the fanbase of a the reigning back to back Super Bowl champs, who’s QB is a 2x league MVP and a 3x SBMVP, about some mid season stats for a QB of a sub .500 team is both sad and hilarious.

Fauker doesn’t run away when his team is the drizzling shits.

He can troll anytime

What a dumb****. Boy needs a professional to teach him how to navigate that stuff. He’s probably too dumb to understand how bad that sounds.

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I bet he kills it on Grindr.

Or he wants out of Cincy. Perhaps he will get his wish at some point.

Yeah, it's always amazed me how natural it is for Mahomes. You know that no matter what he thinks all he would do with that question is use it as an opportunity to praise Veach and Coach Reid for all the work they do and trusting in their judgement, etc.

He had a lot of practice while losing a million games in college. Never blamed Kliff or the terrible defense. Always tried to keep a positive attitude in his media interviews.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's grindr?

its like a hoagie but better

Enjoy….

Which position is that?

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Glass Joe is gonna be the next weekly guest on McAfee with all that charisma

At least Aaron has the sense to not dress himself like a grade schooler.

I think I'll wear the Zubaz and Teddy Bear sweater today, maybe thrown on some muck boots to round it all out. That's the kind of shit my son tries to do.

I am shocked how underpaid Joe Burrow is. He should renegotiate immediately.

-Mike Florio.

Man, I didn't realize how bad Mahomes really is. I wish we had the 5th bestest qb in the league.
You think we can get a mid round pick for him before the deadline?

Yeah he's not in his bag...just yet.

Thing is, we all know he's gonna get there.

But he'd NEVER let his team get in a 3-6 hole. Just isn't it him ya know?

Oh my! He better get to over .500 if he wants a shot at MVP! Then he can receive his award like Lamar and go home to watch the best QB in the NFL go for a three-peat and SB MVP #4.

Remember watching Jamaal go out there and give every ounce of himself game after game for some bullshit 6 win team??

All that effort and gaudy stats and it never amounted to shit. But we knew he was playing the best at his position and that did matter quite a bit to us.

Goddamn I threw that 3-6 thing out there before I saw they play the hapless Raiders. There's no way they lose that one at home is there?

I don't care if your name is Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady or Joe Montana. If you don't have 2 out of 3 in defense, running game or Oline, you ain't winning rings.

I'll be there so if they don't, i'm gonna go ahead and burn the stadium down.

Yup, all true.

We're very fortunate the Chiefs are a good org all around.

It would be justified. They're dumb, aggressive and dirty as hell. And that's just the fans.

But one thing that separates Mahomes from all other current QBs is that when he absolutely has to make a play in a big playoff game he almost always comes through.

Cincy had a solid defense a couple of years ago and Burrow couldn’t maximize it to win a SB (with his whopping 0 fourth quarter playoff TDs).

Lamar had a super defense last year according to metrics and he throws a killer INT into triple coverage.

Allen was the closest to maximizing his defense, yet Mahomes torched the #1 defense in the league and crushed them with :13 seconds left. KC also did not have a top defense that year.

Good and great QBs make their living building up stats in the regular season and get awards for it. The legends make their mark on the biggest stage.

Even last year despite everything when it mattered the most, he was inevitable. Of the 31 other QBs in the league name one that you would take over Mahomes in a game winning drive in the playoffs/SB.

That’s why he’s a legend already regardless of his stats not being as great as they used to be.

Autism dressed up as Burrow for Halloween again this year as well

Autism, that bitch owes someone money as does C'Litoris and Gonorrhea

You've been hanging out with Bills fans, haven't you? You've adopted their ways.

Just one finger in her ass is all it takes, RF.

Where's the W-L column on those rankings?

7-0 > 3-5

I don't disagree with anything you said. The only point i'm making is that, without the defense from last year and to a lesser extent, the year before, you're not even in a position to win the rings.

No doubt, when given the chance, Pat comes through in the end--which is why i've said before he's the scariest guy with the ball in his hands and a chance to win in the end. And all things being said, no one remembers or wants to talk about specifics after the fact. It's all about did you get the job done or didn't you.

Burrow had a bad oline and no running game in '21. With that, he was about 1 second from wearing a ring if someone...anyone, could have kept Donald off him in less than 2 seconds. He had a bad oline and no running game in '22 against the Chiefs and still had a chance to win at the end. This year the defense is a shit show, he still doesn't have a consistent decent running game, but at least the Oline is better (middle of the pack at best) in passpro.

Excuses are like assholes, they all stink but it's extremely frustrating for me to see how other teams win rings and make dynasties while i have to sit here and watch the Bengals **** up a good thing time after time (3 x in the SB) by their very own doing by not knowing, being able to, or simply being too stubborn in wanting to do it their way.

You guys can keep shitting on Burrow and breaking out stats about 'no 4th qtr tds in the playoffs' but he's done things for this specific shit-show of a team that few other guys could do. Then you can go ahead and say 'sure because elite wrs'. Except that he's done it without them.

He's not Mahomes because no one who's ever played QB in the NFL has ever been Mahomes, but as a QB he's never been worse than top 3 and he's done it with one of the most poverty franchises of all professional sports, ever. Without Burrow, we're the Cincinnati Temu Football team.

If i was standing next to you right now, i'd slap your face with a white glove.

Somehow i ended up clicking the thumbs up instead of reply, so enjoy the freebie, butthead. :mad:

If a finger in her ass is all it takes, i've been a Bills fan for a long time now. :eek:

Putting your finger in your own ass doesn't count.

Fine. I take back what I said.

Your behavior is much more akin to 49ers fans puffing up their chests with stat charts and claiming Brock Purdy is better than Mahomes.

"He's playing better right now!"

Tell that to my boner.

Yep. That's pretty much it.

Do people in Cincinnati have to sign a disclaimer if they ate skyline chilli before they let someone finger their butthole?

If you're fingering the butthole of someone who's recently eaten Skyline...you're either the bravest man alive or the dumbest.

LMAO

Joey Jumpball once again ass in the 4th Quarter. 3 TD and 3 INT. Dramatic drop in his play in the 4th. Choker or is it that wrist flaring up rfaulk? Choose wisely.

Hang the banner?!!

How many of Mahomes Super Bowls did he have 2 of the 3???

I gurantee his wrist issue won't go well in the cold. Grip going to be an issue.

I mentioned in a post earlier about how i was going to break down all the Bengals losses by one score or less on my mothership--to test Burrow's "clutchness"--in an earlier post and someone wanted me to post it here. I'm not going to post all the stats for each game, just the critical, 'did he get it done or not'. If you want to see the stats (which i'm sure you don't) head over to my board and check them out in the post 'i know a couple posters will be really upset to see this' from post #168 to #240.

The Bengals have 19 losses by one score or less from 2020-2024. Here's a breakdown of each game to assess where Burrow failed to extend a lead or take the lead/win game and where the defense failed to stop a GWD.

2020
LAC - threw TD pass @0:07. Called back on OPI. Missed GWFG as time expired.
CLE - threw TD pass @0:43. Still down by 5 at that point.
IND - threw INT to seal the loss.
CLE - threw TD to take lead @1:06 to take lead. Defense surrendered GWD @0:11.
1 failure to extend lead beyond one score or win game (IND).
1 defense failed to prevent GWD (2nd CLE game).

2021
CHI - threw back to back TDs to get within 3. Defense couldn't get stop on CHI final drive to end game.
GBP - missed GWFG @0:21. Threw INT in OT. Missed GWFG in OT.
NYJ - threw INT w/lead, jets took the lead @3:45. Failed to do anything on last drive.
SF - threw TD to tie at end of regulation. drove to FG in OT to take lead before defense gives up GWD.
LAR - failed to extend lead in 4th on multiple drives. Failed to get in range or take lead on last drive.
4 failure to extend lead beyond one score or win game (GBP, NYJ, SF, LAR)
1 defense failed to prevent GWD (SF in OT).

2022
PIT - threw TD pass to tie at the end of regulation. XP blocked. Missed GWFG in OT.
DAL - threw TD and 2pt conv to tie game @3:45. Defense gives up GWD.
BALT - scores go ahead TD @1:56. Defense gives up GWD.
KC - fails to drive team to GWD. Defense gives up GWD.
1 failure to extend lead beyond one score or win game (KC).
3 defense fails to prevent GWD (DAL, BALT, KC).

2023
BALT - threw TD pass @3:28. Still down by 3 at that point. Ravens run out clock.
HOU - Boyd drops TD pass @1:38. FG ties. Defense gives up GWD.
0 failures to extend lead beyond one score or win game.
1 defense fails to prevent GWD (HOU).

2024
NE - failed to do anything on last drive.
KC - failed to extend lead at end of game. Defense gives up GWD
WASH - TD drive @0:40. Still down by 5 at this point. Failed on sides kick.
BALT - throws INT and ravens tie game @1:36. Missed GWFG in OT. Defense gives up GWD.
3 failures to extend lead beyond one score or win game (NE, KC, BALT).
2 defense fails to prevent GWD (KC, BALT).

Burrow failures = 9
Defense failures = 8
Still down, other team runs out clock = 4

PS - His wrist is fine, dork.

Whatever. We could
Do the same with AR in GB. He lost a lot when the defense gave up tons of points. Joe is what his record says he is. 32-27. Whoopie.

2019 - seasonal - good Oline, running, not that great, defense 7th pts, 17th yds.
SB - good Oline, running, 29/129/2/4.5ypc, defense gave up 20 pts.

2020 - seasonal - good Oline, running, ok. 12th ypc, defense 10th pts, 16th yds.
SB - bad Oline, running, 17/107/0/6.3ypc, defense gave up 31 pts.

2022 - seasonal - good Oline, running, ok. 8th ypc, defense 16th pts, 11th yds.
SB - good Oline, running, 26/158/1/6.1ypc, defense gave up 35 pts.

2023 - seasonal - good Oline, running, ok. 13th ypc, defense 2nd pts, 2nd yds.
SB - good Oline, running, 30/130/0/4.3ypc, defense gave up 22 pts.

You had a bad Oline in one instance--2020 SB.
You had a less than mediocre run game once--2019 season but they were good in the SB.
You never had worse than an average defense in season and in the SB, gave up 20 and 22 in 2 of the 4 games.

Yes, he is what he is--to my point--a great QB on a shit franchise that has done more than anyone except maybe one guy, with this particular team.

You can keep ignoring everything but the results for CIN, BUF and SF, while KC has a clear advantage in the 3 critical areas (FO, HC, QB) and i'll keep posting twixters and stats until a magic fairy comes along and sprinkles pixie dust on my team.

I have him at more than 9 "failures" fyi 21 losses in those close games is pathetic. Either extend the lead or put the damn game away like 15 does.

Let me know when your trophy for teh best statz arrives in the mail.

Burrow had plenty of support their last few years.

Meanwhile Pat had Brady and Belichick BEAT if not for a pinky called offsides with the worst defense in football

Scored 24 points in the 4th quarter.

First of all, dingleberry, unless you're a biased troll, no you don't have him a more than 9. The total games they've lost by one score or less is 19. In a couple of those games, burrow failed to extend/win and then the defense failed to stop the GWD, so they both get credit.

And FYI, Pat has 22 losses of one score or less.

Burrow - 7 GWD, 19 one score losses
Mahomes - 18 GWD, 22 one score losses

For reference, Herbert has 14 game winning drives. Does that put him near Mahomes level?

Good luck rfaulk. I'll be looking for the stadium fire on tv at the end if they lose to the Raiders.

Skipping this one myself. Eyeing to return to Paycor Dec 1 against the Squealers.

And BTW, Chiefs know all about having an atrocious (injured o-line) in a SB. Didn't turn out so well for them either. Not even Mahomes was able to overcome that (and that's really saying something).

Excluding Playoffs, Mahomes has 63 wins that didn’t require a game-winning drive. Herbert only has 20 wins excluding the game-winning drives. 79% win rate overall for Mahomes and a 49% win rate for Herbert. Not great for Justin.

Had to check in here to understand why the heck this thread is still on the front page.

We beat these guys in week two. Moving on.

Gosh I feel sorry for you with so much futile analysis. You remind me of an Alex Smith era Chiefs fan.

True fact though: The Bengals are currently the best 3-5 team in the entire NFL.

Won’t bother responding to your entire inaccurate and cherry picked post except to point out that the Chiefs won their first Super Bowl with a running game ranked 20th in ypc and 23 in ypg. Check your stats and move your goalposts.

I don't think you understand the meaning of cherry picked and moving goalposts. But if you bothered reading you would see i said their run game in season wasn't that great.

Good thing that wasn’t Mahomes’ only Super Bowl appearance like it was for burrow, right?

Lol… you used ypc… sometimes… then ypg… sometimes… then sometimes you used seasonal stats… others you used game stats. You didn’t including RANKINGS which are a better indicator of how “good” or “bad” something is. You also exclude the passing stats. You referred to 2019 run game as “not great” when it was “below average”. Your point was refuted by the very first Super Bowl. In addition to the run game being below average defense was average in 2019. Rush defense allowed a 28th ranked 4.9 ypc and 26th ranked ypg. But teams couldn’t lean on their run game against the Chiefs. Why? The oline was an AllPro RT, an above average LT, and Jags in the middle. Why do you think the run game sucked? But they were “good” because why?

So, if an average D, an average line, and a below average run game are all that are need to hoist a Lombardi where are Joes? Or Lamar’s? Or Purdys? Or Goffs’? Or Bakers? Or Daks?

I honestly do feel for you. I remember Mahomes’ first AFCCG when he did all that he could to have won the game only for the defense to cost him a chance at a SB rematch with the Rams. It was already bad enough that they couldn’t stop a cold, but Ward had the game ending INT only for it to be called back due to an offsides. It was crushing. To make it worse, Scandrick goes on TV and blames the offense for the loss.

Two years later he was absolutely running for his life as his OLine failed him in the SB. KC’s never had a true dominant run game before this year so they were very one dimensional, so it is understandable where you are coming from.

Regarding the Bengals now, I do think Burrow is better than some give him credit for. I also don’t blame him for making as much money as he can because your owner is cheap and your front office seems to have lost some magic as they aren’t bringing in quality FAs like they were with Trey and Reader.

They absolutely botched the whole Tee situation, took far too long in making the protection of Burrow a priority. Now with Chase due to get a new deal they are going to have to pay him even more than had they signed him right after Jefferson.

To this day I think they should have traded Chase last offseason. Having an elite WR is great, but when your team has as many holes as they do, they could have really used the extra picks they got for him in what was a very deep draft last year. They still could have signed Tee for far less than Chase and still given Burrow a weapon. His WR core would not have been as good, and the offense might have taken a hit, but they would have been more solid across the board, which KC has shown to be very successful the last two years.

Now don’t get me wrong, no QB can do it all on their own and it does take a village to win a SB (unless you hit lightning in a bottle one year). But for that to happen there has to be buy in from the owner down to the QB. Until then Cincy will always be fighting an uphill battle.

It appears you don't even understand the assignment.

I would have traded Tee, no matter how much Chase was gonna cost. You really need one elite weapon and Tee is just too injury prone.

Appears you don’t understand math or football. You said you needed 2 of a good defense, a good oline, and a good running game. So, you either you can’t count or you don’t know football.

3 things. Oline, running game, defense.

You need 2 of those three things to be working (any combination), is what i said. In my previous post, i posted where they were in-season and where they were in the SB. If i used ypc in one but not the other, it was to highlight were they were "good".

Understand. That's not a hard and fast rule that must be followed 100% of the time. There are outliers, just like there are in any analysis. It's just something that happens to be commonplace in championship teams.

Comprende?

lol… again… you cherry picked stats to prove that unit was “good”. What good is ypc without qualifying where that ranked to determine if it was “good” or not? Like you did with defensive ppg (cause it proved your point) but you excluded ypp (like you included ypc for rushing) because the Chiefs defense was a very average 16th at 5.4 ypp allowed.

You can search most any teams stat sheet to find 3 areas they were “good” at. So, if the recipe is THAT simple where is Joes? Or Lamar’s???

You just.don't.get it.

Sure, but by trading Tee you get less of a return. Chase, especially with his age would commanded a haul. You use those picks to draft a solid WR and restock the defense with young talent. That long term might have been a better option, but each team has to do what they think gives them the best chance at winning. I am no GM and perhaps my strategy would not have worked.

Sure Chase would have demanded more in return, but the Bengals haven't shown to be a very good drafting team. So then they're stuck with a lesser talent who is injury prone and more draft picks to waste. I get what you're saying and agree in theory. Can't always use theory with the Bengals though. :evil:

Here are the Bengals drafts since Zac came on board in 2019.

Start off with the home runs; Burrow and Chase. Those were easy. 1OA and 5OA.

Starters: Germaine Pratt (mid), Tee Higgins (injured all the time), Logan Wilson (mid), Dax Hill (IR), CTB (mid with a big mouth), Cordell Volson (sucks major ass), Amarius Mims (TBD-decent so far).

That's 6 drafts. 2 Elite starters and 7 other starters that have a combined zero All Pros and a small handfull of Pro Bowls. Add in 21 backups and a couple PS guys.

That's not good...

Right now, the only guys they have not named Burrow and Chase, who look like they could be higher end players are Amarius Mims and Erick All from this years draft and Burton (WR), Battle (S) and Chase Brown (RB) look like they could be + players.

So you lowered the standard to being “mediocre” or “average” in those categories?

In Joey’s SB, his defense held the opponent to 23, his RB averaged just under 5 ypc, he enjoyed a 2-0 turnover advantage, and he had the best WRs in the league. What else does he need? An officiating crew full of Bengals fans?

Your franchise has 0 Super Bowls. Appears the bengals just don’t get it.

You quote Super Bowl rushing stats as if that proves anything but you “JUST DONT GET” Mahomes rushing stats are included in that number. There are several teams every year that fit your description that have won absolutely nothing. Chiefs haven’t had a running game better than average in any Super Bowl season and only had a defense better than average once.

You have no point. Just random cherry picked stats.

I feel their pain. We felt the anger of going 50 years of some bad teams and playoff losses galore. It sucked.

Yeah, I'm not sure the 2of3 thing may apply to that SB matchup.
The Bengals O-line was so extremely bad. Burrow was sacked 7 times (6 of them in the 3rd and 4th qtr). Plus there were multiple QB hits that weren't recorded as sacks.

The Rans tied the all time SB record for sacks with the '75 Steelers and '85 Bears (umm that's impressive).

Not sure the Bengals could do much with that. On the other hand now that I'm thinking about it, maybe the 2 of 3 thing does indeed apply. Cincy gave up a SB record for sacks and were constantly pressured, but still was in the game to the very end with a chance to win until, yup another QB hit and pressure ended the game.