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-King- 08-10-2023 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17050416)
We have hardly had time to utilize his team friendly deal. It’s what only two years old now? Also everyone realizes because it’s so long it’s value to the team will only increase as others get paid. I’m not one of those that assume he is just going to demand more money every two years.
Even Veach has been open to the fact that the time will come for him to get a new deal soon. You guys are delusional of you think Mahomes will stay the 7-10th best paid QB for the length of his contract. The NFLPA wouldn't even let him.

tredadda 08-10-2023 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17050414)
Sure...and I'm not paying $19 million a year to a LB who is meh in coverage.
At some point you are going to have to pay someone other than Mahomes. Bolton is probably one of them.

Red Dawg 08-10-2023 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17050417)
Idk who this guy is, but he’s right

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the Chiefs really wanted Chris Jones to be at camp and accept their offer, they should have drafted interior DL before the 6th round in this last draft. <br><br>They didn&#39;t.<br><br>He knows they have nothing to replace him with for at least the next 2 years. They made their bed. <a href="https://t.co/P9mhJZ0uMJ">pic.twitter.com/P9mhJZ0uMJ</a></p>&mdash; ����‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1689660513364463616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Yeah we made our bed last year as well. Then we tucked the rest of the league in it and took the trophy.

Mecca 08-10-2023 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 17050417)
Idk who this guy is, but he’s right

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the Chiefs really wanted Chris Jones to be at camp and accept their offer, they should have drafted interior DL before the 6th round in this last draft. <br><br>They didn&#39;t.<br><br>He knows they have nothing to replace him with for at least the next 2 years. They made their bed. <a href="https://t.co/P9mhJZ0uMJ">pic.twitter.com/P9mhJZ0uMJ</a></p>&mdash; ����‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1689660513364463616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
2 years?

Apparently this dude is completely unaware that you can entirely remake a position in 1 offseason. Especially if that involves a tag and trade of Jones, Jones currently has no leverage, he has to show up and play his ass off or no one is giving a 30 year old DT a huge contract that created desire and laziness questions with behavior.

O.city 08-10-2023 09:47 AM
No leverage. LOL.

New World Order 08-10-2023 09:48 AM
Maybe we should sign Suh.

Prob should sign him anyway regardless what happens with Chris.

Mecca 08-10-2023 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17050439)
No leverage. LOL.
What is his leverage?

The only way he has any leverage at all is if the Chiefs think he is irreplaceable which he's not.

He still has to show up, he still has to play well or he just ****s himself.

O.city 08-10-2023 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17050446)
What is his leverage?

The only way he has any leverage at all is if the Chiefs think he is irreplaceable which he's not.

He still has to show up, he still has to play well or he just ****s himself.
Guys have gotten paid coming off injured seasons. You name it, it's happened.

The Chiefs know their DL isn't good enough without Jones so yeah, at this point, he's irreplaceable.

tredadda 08-10-2023 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17050446)
What is his leverage?

The only way he has any leverage at all is if the Chiefs think he is irreplaceable which he's not.

He still has to show up, he still has to play well or he just ****s himself.
He's not irreplaceable, but he's pretty close at the moment. Elite pass rushers do not grow on trees, and especially elite pass rushing DTs.

Mecca 08-10-2023 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17050451)
Guys have gotten paid coming off injured seasons. You name it, it's happened.

The Chiefs know their DL isn't good enough without Jones so yeah, at this point, he's irreplaceable.
As I said, he has no choice but to play this season. After the season you have the ability to make moves to replace him.

If he were to legit sit out actual games all that would happen is he would lose money to huge fines and then teams would question his desire on top of the fact that he's 30.

If he shows up and goes out and has some crazy 17 sack year or is even the same player he was last year, he can get that contract he wants just probably not here.

Mecca 08-10-2023 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17050455)
He's not irreplaceable, but he's pretty close at the moment. Elite pass rushers do not grow on trees, and especially elite pass rushing DTs.
But you also don't build a consistent winner signing guys to 3rd contracts, 1st and 2nd contracts is where the value is.

dirk digler 08-10-2023 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17050456)
As I said, he has no choice but to play this season. After the season you have the ability to make moves to replace him.

If he were to legit sit out actual games all that would happen is he would lose money to huge fines and then teams would question his desire on top of the fact that he's 30.

If he shows up and goes out and has some crazy 17 sack year or is even the same player he was last year, he can get that contract he wants just probably not here.
I agree and wasn't last year the first full healthy year he had? When he comes back I am worried he is going to get injured and miss a bunch of games.

tredadda 08-10-2023 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17050457)
But you also don't build a consistent winner signing guys to 3rd contracts, 1st and 2nd contracts is where the value is.
No disagreements for the most part. Some positions are exceptions to the rule such as QB, LT, and pass rushers. Elite ones are very hard to find and usually they continue to get top dollar until they show dramatic signs of decline.

Mecca 08-10-2023 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17050466)
No disagreements for the most part. Some positions are exceptions to the rule such as QB, LT, and pass rushers. Elite ones are very hard to find and usually they continue to get top dollar until they show dramatic signs of decline.
I was going over DT's and about 95% of them start severely declining at age 29.

mr. tegu 08-10-2023 10:05 AM
Jones is definitely playing here this season.


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