Berry, Lewis (I know his injuries) with Elam as backup (and who knows about Menzie) form a fine safety tandem. The Chiefs D need a #2 CB way more than another safety and they also need better play from Dlinemen to put pressure on the QB and stop the run way before they need to improve their safeties. Do you guys know that the Chiefs D is better against the pass than against the run? And you think a FS would help greatly our run D...no.

I'm definitly against drafting a safety with our 2nd rounder, even as BPA.

Every elite D has a star on its Dline, and despite the Chiefs having attempted to draft several ones early in the draft, they have yet to find one.

AJ Klein could be a real sleeper. He certainly doesn't have the name recognition that some of his predecessors had but in many ways, he's a superior prospect.

I like Xavier Rhodes but again I think he's probably going in the mid-teens, which means we'd have to trade down or give up a lot to trade up.

I like Minter a whole whole lot. I think he's the perfect TED backer, same with Skov.

Jefferson and Reid are perfect FS's. I'm not sure about Elam yet.

Rhodes would be a solid CB.

Some of these guys will make it to the third or fourth round.

Geno
Rhodes
Reed
Minter
Jefferson

Would be extremely lucky with that draft.

solid draft for WRs too

Rambo would be excellent value in the 3rd...i hope his suspension causes him to drop, i'm a fan

There is also a FS prospect from Fresno that I've been keeping up on after Sac spotted him.

we need an upgrade over lewis regardless of his health, imo

i had forgotten about menzie...no clue what to expect from him

After the Oline fascination with Chiefs fans, the safeties fascination??

Chiefs fans might be disgusted by the recent Chiefs draft picks on the Dline, but that D will never be elite until it can find better Dlinemen.

Tyson Hartman has actually been decent at FS, not that he's a starter but he's shown that he could be depth.

Good grief, just looked at the Safeties in this class, it's absolutely stacked. 2-4 rounds there will be a solid FS prospect there.

If Eric Reid is available in the 3 round, he's our guy.

D-linemen can be found in the middle rounds...

I would guess you are probably right. But if he gets to 31, he might last another couple of picks which would be right where we would be picking in round 2.

If we change to a 1 gap fire zone 34, I'd be fine with spending a higher pick on a DL guy, but I actually am fairly high on Poe, Bailey, and Powe up there. Hell I even think Jackson could serve some purpose.


Even then, I don't think it needs a high pick up there.


And, I'm really hoping that the Faid release Seymour like they are rumored.

If he drops to the 30's, we can trade up and not be out much.

this is where the pick for Carr would be a major boon...4 picks in the first 3 rounds, should be able to do some damage

Mistakes?

He threw for five less interceptions this past season than Luck did in 2011. And Luck had three NFL level offensive linemen protecting him and the luxury of a top 20 defense.

Smith threw for a 70.1% completion, 40 TDs against 6 Ints and a 164 rating while pushing the envelope all game long because his defense was utter dog shit and his offensive line was a ****ing sieve.

He was routinely making 45/50 yard passes to guys in stride while they double covered. And they were on the ****ing money.

Geno gave WVU the potential for three wins that their defense lost in the last minute of so of the game(s). They were this close to being a 10-2 team because of Geno. They were a 7-5 team because their defense pissed away three game winning fourth quarter drives by Geno.

We need a starter. Lewis isn't the answer.

Secondly, we just spent a first rounder on Poe. Let him develop FFS.

Thirdly, I stated that if Sharrif Floyd declares and is still on the board after round 1 that the Chiefs sprint to the podium. He can play 3-4 DE and move to the interior and rush the passer on 3rd downs like Jackson has done the last few weeks.

LOL... Chiefs can't find a star Dlineman drafting them in the top 10 repeatedly if they life depended of it and now you think all of a sudden... they'll find a star in the middle rounds??

My point is not only do dlinemen have slightly more impact on the game than safeties, even in today's pass-happy league, but while I don't know how Poe will progress, right now the Dline is worse than the safety position on this team.

Walter just gave us Hopkins, WR from Clemson with pick #34 at the top of round 2.

How many top 10 drafted Dlineman in the past 10 years are stars?

You don't need ****ing stars on the dline. You need solid, nasty guys up there. And those can be found in the mid rounds.

Every other team does it.

Unless this team moves to a 4-3, there's zero reason to spend high draft picks on defensive linemen.

Really?

Not sure what to think, he's kind of strange as a WR prospect because he's not really "special" in any aspect.

He's not super tall and he's not real fast. He's supposedly a good route runner though and tends to show up every week.

Let's take another d-lineman high. 4 in a decade isn't enough.

Or maybe we can apply that logic to the quarterback position. You know, the one that counts the most in today's NFL.

Stunning argument.

Captain of the debate team in high school?

this is a great draft for picking up a WR in the 2nd

21 *Keenan Allen WR 1 California
24 Terrance Williams WR 2 Baylor
27 Tavon Austin WR 3 West Virginia
34 *DeAndre Hopkins WR 4 Clemson
44 *Justin Hunter WR 5 Tennessee
49 *Robert Woods WR 6 Southern California
54 *Cordarrelle Patterson WR 7 Tennessee
72 Quinton Patton WR 8 Louisiana Tech
79 *Da'Rick Rogers WR 9 Tennessee Tech
82 *Kenny Stills WR 10 Oklahoma
97 Ryan Swope WR 11 Texas A&M
100 Aaron Dobson WR 12 Marshall
105 Cobi Hamilton WR 13 Arkansas
113 *Stedman Bailey WR 14 West Virginia

Here is what they say about him in their prospect links...

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013WR.php

If we're whiffing on Dline picks in the first round, we may as well whiff on Dline picks in the middle rounds and spend the 1st and 2nd rounds on picks like... oh.... I don't know...... QB?

We've struck gold there before. Jared Allen was a 4th rounder. Jimmy Wilkerson wasn't terrible. Hell I STILL think Jerrell Powe isn't getting the respect he deserves from this coaching staff.

A blind squirrel finds the nut every once in awhile. We've been concentrating waaay too much on Dline past few years. Even if our task of rebuilding that position group isn't complete, we have GOT to move on to other stuff. We can't afford to piss away any more crap at defensive line picks.

If a first round guy falls to the top of the 2nd. A very nice prospect will likely be available at the top of round 3 as well.

if Da'Rick Rogers or Austin is there....boiing

I like Patterson a lot as well.

Draft Geno, take Tavon Austin and Cobi Hamilton... find a safety or CB that hopefully falls to the back of the 3rd... add some defensive line...

This has the potential to be a legendarily great draft for this team. Me likey.

Interesting. They mention him "burning" defenses with his "speed" which I just patently disagree with...

Cordarelle Patterson is fast as **** and tall.

I'd love him in the 2nd.

Safety is what I want in the 2nd round.

This safety class is EPIC.

Kenny Vaccaro
Tony Jefferson
Bacarri RAMBO
Robert Lester
TJ McDonald
Shawn Williams


I ****ing hate seeing Kendrick Lewis miss tackles and look like shit out there. Time to replace his ass.

I hope this kid declares. Andrew Jackson from Western Kentucky. Perfect fit for us at Middle Linebacker. Hopefully we get a 3rd for Carr, because late 3rd/early 4th would be about right for him.
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I think I more than adequately outlined my reasons. And I have the mathematical probabilities behind me.

I have not seen Clemson play, so I can not comment one way or the other. I'll take your work for it though.

What? That black quarterbacks haven't had a long history of success in the NFL?

That's your reasoning?

After given examples of Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Doug Williams, Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb?

And you seem to fail in understanding that up until recently, black quarterbacks were about as rare as hen's teeth because of an underlying sense of racism based on stereotypical positioning of players.

Warren Moon easily should have been a first round pick when he came out of Washington State based on his play in college alone. He should have been the first overall pick based on his play and potential at the next level. However, he went undrafted and was forced to play QB in Canada for five ****ing seasons before somebody in the NFL decided he could actually play the QB position.

Right now, as it stands, I don't give a shit if Geno Smith is a fuscia colored tranny. The ****ing guy is as good a prospect at the QB position as I've ever seen. He's got the intangibles, the smarts, the drive, the arm, the release, the size, etc. to potentially be elite. That's why I want him as QB for the Chiefs. I don't give a rats ass if he's white, black, mangenta or chartruesse. He's a ****ing rock star at the position. I see the potential for greatness in Geno.

The team should trade back. Geno Smith has potential but is risky. The Chiefs don't need another wasted first-round QB (Blackledge was kind of a disaster and that's the last time the team used a first-round pick). Walterfootball disagrees with me. But this reminds me of 1983 in that great QBs got taken and then the Chiefs feel they need to take one.

If Geno was gay it'd be a plus, because he'd just ignore all the hot tail that will be throwing itself at him come draft day.

Warren moon is an outlier. That's all.

WHAT?!?!?!

Can we take him NOW or do we have to wait for the draft?!?!?!

:eek:

Do you think Jim Kelly was a good QB? A guy worth drafting #1?

Manti Te'o, amirite?

Meh. Kind of a choker.

Here is what will happen.


The Chiefs will pass on Geno and draft some slapdick and Geno will go become a ****ing all pro and win a SB or two, and we will have these same assholes on here saying, "Geez, we should have taken a chance on that guy".

The same shit that happened with Rodgers, Marino, you name it.

So who is this player everyone is going to want to trade up with us for? And FWIW 1983 wasn't the last wasted first-round pick. If we used that as rationale to not pick a player in round 1 we might not be able to pick any position outside of K and P.

I officially renounce my affiliation with North Kansas City High School.:facepalm:

Sac you got trolled by LA Chiefian big time.

is there a **** tard troll magnet in this thread?

is there some aids drinking listserv where all you poop eating yam lickers hang out?

Career approximate value (another great pro football reference rating) destroys the argument that Warren Moon was an "outlier."

Career approximate value (higher is better) for:

1. Randall Cunningham: 134
2. Warren Moon: 166
3. Donovan McNabb: 138
4. Steve McNair: 126

Let's take a sampling of some other QBs in the 126-166 range.

1. JOE MONTANA (164)
2. DAN FOUTS (162)
3. LEN DAWSON (147)
4. SONNY JURGENSEN (144)
5. BOB GRIESE (139)
6. TERRY BRADSHAW (138)
7. BOOMER ESIASION (135)
8. BART STARR (131)
9. JIM KELLY (130)
10. ROGER STAUBAUCH (127)

You gonna shut that fat yap of yours now?

Moon has a thirty point higher rating.

I think you just made my point for me, thanks.

It was funny for a while but now you're just shitting on the thread.

Come on, man.

I'm just preparing everybody for the inevitability of us not taking Geno.

And you gotta admit, it's fun to **** with clay

Warren Moon is also 36 points higher than JIM KELLY.

Does he suck, too?

Moon is 45 points higher than TROY AIKMAN.

Obtuse much?

Sorry, Stanley.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=267807

Moon was good. He's an outlier that's my only point.

What had Hunter done to make his stock fall so far? Thought he was a top 15 pick..I would love to take him if he's there in the second. Unreal potential

So your argument is that if a QB doesn't rate out as top 10 all time, he's shit.

Great.

Drops I would imagine. Tennessee had a terrible time catching the ball...

No my argument is other than Warren Moon there's really no one else. Cunningham, Mcnabb and whoever else you want to pull out your ass just didn't cut it.

i don't know, it was the first list that popped up

partly, it is just a very good crop of WRs

So we don't draft a QB because of a mistake 30 years ago.

Yeah. Makes total sense.

Cunningham and McNabb cut it.

Unless you think Troy Aikman and Jim Kelly didn't cut it.

Because they compare to those players.

Not this time, pal.

The cycle has to end and some point.

Remember, the Arizona Cardinals went to a ****ing Super Bowl.

Anything can happen.

I hope so, but I am actually starting to think it won't.

If Geno Smith is bad, he won't be Gabbert bad (he's never shown any signs of being skittish).

Honestly, he'd be Brandon Weeden bad. Weeden is just an absolute shit decisionmaker. If there's a bad decision to be made, by God he's going to make it.

There are different forms of bad. Gabberts happy feet, Ponder's shit arm, Sanchez being firmly buried into his own head, Cassel's inability to ever do anything well, ever. Weeden has a ton of tools, he just hasn't seen a bad decision yet that he didn't love.

Geno hasn't really had to make a lot of reads or snap decisions over the last couple of years. Ultimately, it may take him some time to figure out how to do that. I certainly think he will and be a great NFL quarterback.

But if he isn't great, it will be his decisionmaking that is his undoing. It won't be courage or a weak arm or bad mechanics or poor accuracy. He has those things covered. But if he can't transition away from the spread, he may end up the turnover machine that Cleveland has.

That's the only flag for Geno and honestly, it doesn't concern me a bit, in part because of his interviews and in part because of his success under White prior to Holgerson.

Every other 'wart' is just trolls looking to rile everyone up. He has every other thing you could ask for in a QB.

And Weeden is a ****ing rookie. Granted, he's a 30 year old rookie, but still.

Even for a rook, Weeden is an appallingly bad decisionmaker.

Most rookies have some struggles in that department, but Weeden's ability to find the absolute wrong thing to do is uncanny.

If he's 22, I wonder if he can get over it and become a viable NFL starter. When he's 30, I pull the plug and move on.

The Browns should take Tyler Wilson if he falls to them. That team has lost a ton of close games this year and is a little closer than they look.

Agree completely.

I was just stating that like you said if he's 24, you probably give him time and try and coach him up. At 30, **** that.


But shit, atleast they gave it a shot. It failed, they are in a spot to do it again.

Such fail pissing away a 1st on a 30 year old

It's kinda awesome sitting here thinking that we're so close to drafting a QB. One that we can call our own and develop. This should be a fun offseason.

I love Richardson, I really do.

But refusing to surrender the 2 firsts they had to move up for RGIII was an immediate firing offense.

Think the Skins would give up RGIII for Richardson and Weeden? Uh, no. No they would not.

Even if Richardson becomes AD, which he isn't, he wouldn't be worth that pick when talking about the fact they had the ammo to get RGIII.

It's always darkest before the dawn.

Are you ready for BLACK DAWN.

Just curious what the feeling will be if Bill Cowher comes in and everyone's stroking their dicks, then he takes Teo in the 1st and Tyler Wilson in the 2nd?

I'm perfectly fine with Tyler Wilson, but there is no ****ing way in hell he makes it to the 2nd round.


QB's are always going to be overdrafted. Always.


I'd venture to say Geno, Wilson, Barkley, and Bray go in the first round.

Pittsburgh always has undervalued middle linebackers. No way does Teo get taken #1 and its silly to even think that.

You're assuming that Tyler Wilson is going to last until the 2nd, which right now doesn't seem incredibly likely.

Look, when guys like Ryan Tannehill, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, and Blaine Gabbert are going in the top 10 and such, people better get used to the idea of QBs going early and often.