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Sandy Vagina 10-28-2016 02:24 PM

Not at all saying this source is some almighty proof of anything.. just posting them as a consider them or twist them however you will....

Football Outsiders : http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff

KC pass offense - 12th best
KC run offense - 25th best

OL

17th run blocking
25th pass blocking

Baby Lee 10-28-2016 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 12510262)
He picks the side which will get the most rise out of everyone and he does it well. He makes some valid points and has some good video's, etc. but all of the good stuff gets lost in the hatred he brings on himself by being the instigator.

Yeah, he's pretty definitely turned from trying to discuss football to actively attempting to anger fans.

He's entitled to do so, so long as he doesn't get abusive or anything. But his aim is clear. Forewarned is forearmed.

Hammock Parties 10-28-2016 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12510281)
We've seen how well Smith [lays in the postseason. He step's up his game. I'm not concerned.

He was blah last year in the postseason.

OldSchool 10-28-2016 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12510314)
He was blah last year in the postseason.

He was one of the only ones to show up against the Pats.

duncan_idaho 10-28-2016 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12510043)
Yeah throw in his San Francisco stats where he had a new coordinator and or coach every other year to bring down his win percentage. He-s 35-17 as a Chief which is about .870 Winning percentage. Sorry. His pre-Chiefs stats are irrelevant to this conversation. Your smack has failed. But feel free to try again.

You're bad at math.

Alex Smith is 35-20 as the Chiefs starting QB (11-4 + playoff loss, 8-7, 11-5 + playoff win + playoff loss, 4-2). That's .636. Which equates to 10 wins a year.

High floor. Low ceiling.

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Originally Posted by Nickhead (Post 12510119)
in fairness, with all the issues kc has had in the passing game with alex as the starter, he would have won that super bowl for the 49ers if he wasn't benched. :D

Unlikely.

1) Baltimore scored 34 points. Alex Smith wins what, 10 percent of the time when his opponent scores more than 24 points? And it's not like QB play was the issue - Kaerpernick played well, and his only turnover did not lead to points.
2) The Falcons also scored 24 points in the NFC championship game. So again, you're starting at Alex Smith's abysmal record when his opponent scores that much. There's also the matter of the 17-0 deficit Kaerpernick and the 49ers offense rallied from.
3) Kaerpernick and the 49ers also won a shootout against the Packers in the divisional round, with Kaep running for 181 yards and throwing for 263 more.

What is likely, based on Alex's career, is that the 49ers would have beat the Vikings in the opening round, and then lost the shootout in the divisional round to Rodgers.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-28-2016 03:21 PM

Back IN, for the hi-jinks!

Discuss Thrower 10-28-2016 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12509950)
Don't forget OLs that were, curiously, great at run blocking but horrible in pass protection.

Funny how we can write off Derek Carr as a potential top tier QB because he doesn't react well to pressure yet can't seem to do the same for the guy who's apparently been plagued with the five worst guys to have in front of him every season.

ChiefsCountry 10-28-2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12510447)
You're bad at math.

Alex Smith is 35-20 as the Chiefs starting QB (11-4 + playoff loss, 8-7, 11-5 + playoff win + playoff loss, 4-2). That's .636. Which equates to 10 wins a year.

High floor. Low ceiling.

It's the Marty Scottenheimer Chiefs Part II expect for we pass more. We aren't going anywhere expect 10-6 land and BBQ and Natty in the parking lot.

jjchieffan 10-28-2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12510447)
You're bad at math.

Alex Smith is 35-20 as the Chiefs starting QB (11-4 + playoff loss, 8-7, 11-5 + playoff win + playoff loss, 4-2). That's .636. Which equates to 10 wins a year.

High floor. Low ceiling.

LOL. Actually, I am great at math. I just made the mistake of grabbing someone else's numbers without checking them. I also wasn't factoring in postseason. Regular season he is 34-18. I guess that whoever put up that number gave him one win that was actually a loss. So the actual regular season win percentage is .654 Still pretty good. 10.46 wins per year is still well above average and will put your team in the playoffs most years. Not to mention, he won 11 games with a team that went 2-14 the year before. Half the team was gutted, and he had to learn Andy Reid's playbook and develop chemistry with the entire offense. The offensive line was horrible. Yet despite all of that, he led the team to 11 wins. I'll take that.

duncan_idaho 10-28-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickhead (Post 12510119)
in fairness, with all the issues kc has had in the passing game with alex as the starter, he would have won that super bowl for the 49ers if he wasn't benched. :D

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12510508)
Funny how we can write off Derek Carr as a potential top tier QB because he doesn't react well to pressure yet can't seem to do the same for the guy who's apparently been plagued with the five worst guys to have in front of him every season.

Also funny how Trevor Siemian sucks and is the reason the Broncos can't repeat ... and what he is doing as a rookie is 98-99 percent of Alex Smith's aggregate performance as a Chief in terms of completion percentage, YPA, and QB rating (as well as QBR). Heck, even their TD/Game and INT/game and TD/INT ratios are nearly identical.

New World Order 10-28-2016 03:47 PM

Alex Smith is a great quarterback if you have a defense like the 15 Donkos.

duncan_idaho 10-28-2016 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12510532)
LOL. Actually, I am great at math. I just made the mistake of grabbing someone else's numbers without checking them. I also wasn't factoring in postseason. Regular season he is 34-18. I guess that whoever put up that number gave him one win that was actually a loss. So the actual regular season win percentage is .654 Still pretty good. 10.46 wins per year is still well above average and will put your team in the playoffs most years. Not to mention, he won 11 games with a team that went 2-14 the year before. Half the team was gutted, and he had to learn Andy Reid's playbook and develop chemistry with the entire offense. The offensive line was horrible. Yet despite all of that, he led the team to 11 wins. I'll take that.

Regular season wins are nice. I got over them in the 90s.

The team he inherited was not a traditional 2-win team, with six Pro Bowl players, and the Chiefs also benefited from an incredibly soft schedule and an incredible luck in terms of facing around a half-dozen backup or third-string QBs.

The 2013 OL is probably the best one he has played behind. It just gave up a ton of sacks because all OLs whose QB is Alex Smith give up a ton of sacks.

O.city 10-28-2016 04:13 PM

I dint thi k anyone will ever confuse Alex smith for a top tier qb, nor do I think any sensible person here has considered him one.

For me, it's about the same as guys like Flacco or eli, but alot less flashy. They've gotten to the playoffs and ridden hot streaks/good fortune to superbowls.

I don't really think either one are consistent top tier guys, but they're capable of playing to that level for a bit.

Sandy Vagina 10-28-2016 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12510541)
Alex Smith is a great quarterback if you have a defense like the 15 Donkos.

Chiefs could have easily won more playoff games and then some had the top talent, high-priced players actually been healthy, as intended.

Can't always account for these things. No Maclin vs NE.. No Justin Houston and a hobbling Hali time and again..

You lose your best players to injury, and yeah.. it's likely that your winning formula gets severely compromised.

Maybe, just maybe Hali and Houston will be 80% or above in the postseason ahead. Maybe JMac and other top players can be healthy this time around too.

It's sad and unfortunate that they have not been even close to full strength with their top players.. and this has been the prominent downfall in the win or go home games.

New World Order 10-28-2016 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12510600)
Chiefs could have easily won more playoff games and then some had the top talent, high-priced players actually been healthy, as intended.

Can't always account for these things. No Maclin vs NE.. No Justin Houston and a hobbling Hali time and again..

You lose your best players to injury, and yeah.. it's likely that your winning formula gets severely compromised.

Maybe, just maybe Hali and Houston will be 80% or above in the postseason ahead. Maybe JMac and other top players can be healthy this time around too.

It's sad and unfortunate that they have not been even close to full strength with their top players.. and this has been the prominent downfall in the win or go home games.


Shame we don't have a quarterback that can overcome setbacks.

Because you know, what's what they're supposed to do.


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