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Hog's Gone Fishin 08-10-2023 10:05 AM

BEARS!

IowaHawkeyeChief 08-10-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17050439)
No leverage. LOL.

What is his leverage, seriously? He will be missed if he holds out, but it would be exponentially more harmful to Jones's reputation and financial security as an individual compared to a team that has Mahomes and has been able to overcome many obstacles the last 5 years and yet have made it to 5 straights AFCCGs.

RunKC 08-10-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17050402)
LMAO injuries happen in football. And despite that he was still good. Dude had one of the best runs in football history and has a down year now it's "he fell off the map" LMAO

Using this logic, I don't get why people want to even pay Chris Jones $25 mil a year. If he's going to fall off the map when he turns 30, what's the point?

He played in 11 games before getting hurt and got 5 sacks. So he was on pace to get 8 sacks if he was healthy. Is that worth the $27 million cap hit they were giving him?

And I'm glad you brought up injuries. Dedicating that much to a single player that isn't a QB is a gigantic risk, especially one that is on a 3rd contract.

We saw what that looked like with Frank Clark. You saw what that looked like for the Bills last year too. Chris Jones age alone would be a factor here. Historically DT's starting declining around 30-31. A long term deal risks that.

How often do 3rd contracts work out for DL? JJ Watt? Nope. Von Miller so far? Nope. Aaron Donald so far? Nope.

Everybody wants to be the Patriots dynasty. Well hanging onto old players isn't how you do what the Patriots did.

duncan_idaho 08-10-2023 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17050428)
At some point you are going to have to pay someone other than Mahomes. Bolton is probably one of them.


As a Mizzou guy, I love Nick Bolton. But I don’t think he’s good enough in pass coverage to pay him a 2nd contract in the realm of what Roquon Smith got.

He made progress there last year, but I still think he’s got a physical limit to his coverage upside.

I don’t think MLB is the spot they pick. Especially not with how inexpensive Tranquill was. If he plays as much and as well as I think he is going to play, Tranquill could prove a better long-term fit/pay at MLB than Bolton.

Direckshun 08-10-2023 10:30 AM

https://twitter.com/kcsportsnetwork/...nI6B385NMubBQA

Chiefs won’t make him the highest paid DT

Mecca 08-10-2023 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17050524)
As a Mizzou guy, I love Nick Bolton. But I don’t think he’s good enough in pass coverage to pay him a 2nd contract in the realm of what Roquon Smith got.

He made progress there last year, but I still think he’s got a physical limit to his coverage upside.

I don’t think MLB is the spot they pick. Especially not with how inexpensive Tranquill was. If he plays as much and as well as I think he is going to play, Tranquill could prove a better long-term fit/pay at MLB than Bolton.

Bolton should get a contract that is more in line with what the Jags guy got maybe a bit more, he's not Fred Warner or Roquan.

wazu 08-10-2023 10:37 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are reportedly “unwilling” to make Chris Jones the league’s highest-paid defensive tackle, per <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a>. <a href="https://t.co/zg0JlFJI7n">pic.twitter.com/zg0JlFJI7n</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1689675012096057344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tredadda 08-10-2023 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17050524)
As a Mizzou guy, I love Nick Bolton. But I don’t think he’s good enough in pass coverage to pay him a 2nd contract in the realm of what Roquon Smith got.

He made progress there last year, but I still think he’s got a physical limit to his coverage upside.

I don’t think MLB is the spot they pick. Especially not with how inexpensive Tranquill was. If he plays as much and as well as I think he is going to play, Tranquill could prove a better long-term fit/pay at MLB than Bolton.

Do you think they keep Gay and Tranquill and let Bolton walk? Do you think he will want Roquon Smith money? I guess we will see, but I saw how much of an upgrade he was over Hitchens and would hate to see him walk if KC doesn't have to.

O.city 08-10-2023 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17050511)
What is his leverage, seriously? He will be missed if he holds out, but it would be exponentially more harmful to Jones's reputation and financial security as an individual compared to a team that has Mahomes and has been able to overcome many obstacles the last 5 years and yet have made it to 5 straights AFCCGs.

We've completely Fonzied ourselves here in thinking losing a DPOY candidate won't be harmful to the Chiefs chances of winning a SB>

Mecca 08-10-2023 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17050539)
Do you think they keep Gay and Tranquill and let Bolton walk? Do you think he will want Roquon Smith money? I guess we will see, but I saw how much of an upgrade he was over Hitchens and would hate to see him walk if KC doesn't have to.

If those guys are reasonably priced I think they'd bring them back. Off ball LB's don't get paid huge deals unless they are elite.

Mecca 08-10-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17050550)
We've completely Fonzied ourselves here in thinking losing a DPOY candidate won't be harmful to the Chiefs chances of winning a SB>

They aren't even losing him, if that happened it'd be after the season giving them ample ability to replace him.

O.city 08-10-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17050513)
He played in 11 games before getting hurt and got 5 sacks. So he was on pace to get 8 sacks if he was healthy. Is that worth the $27 million cap hit they were giving him?

And I'm glad you brought up injuries. Dedicating that much to a single player that isn't a QB is a gigantic risk, especially one that is on a 3rd contract.

We saw what that looked like with Frank Clark. You saw what that looked like for the Bills last year too. Chris Jones age alone would be a factor here. Historically DT's starting declining around 30-31. A long term deal risks that.

How often do 3rd contracts work out for DL? JJ Watt? Nope. Von Miller so far? Nope. Aaron Donald so far? Nope.

Everybody wants to be the Patriots dynasty. Well hanging onto old players isn't how you do what the Patriots did.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

The issue is if that's the way you wanna go, you do it before the draft this year.

O.city 08-10-2023 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17050554)
They aren't even losing him, if that happened it'd be after the season giving them ample ability to replace him.

Yes, next year woudl be ideal.

I don't think they'll risk tagging him and taking that cap hit during FA, but they may have to.

O.city 08-10-2023 10:45 AM

If defensive players are that unimportant, I can't imagine anyone here is happy the Chiefs have spent 3 straight first round picks on defenders.

Mecca 08-10-2023 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17050562)
If defensive players are that unimportant, I can't imagine anyone here is happy the Chiefs have spent 3 straight first round picks on defenders.

I question the players value when it's a 3rd contract and he is wanting that kind of money.


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