See....this is an answer I might understand, although I am not sold on Geno Smith or Matt Barkley. And I will give you my reason.

Both QB's, when faced with pressure defenses last year folded horribly, especially Smith. And let's remember, the defenses in the NFL are much better and faster. I guess I am going on the premise that if they can't handle the pressure in College, what makes me think they will show any promise in the Pros.

How many times does one have to list them before you stop asking these stupid questions?

Search the archives; I'm tired of repeating myself. I've yacked about the QBs in this draft ad-nauseum.

Geno at 1.1?

Do your own homework.

Rogers is apparently undraftable but Mathieu is perfectly fine to be drafted...makes great sense.

Sorry....I don't get on here all the often to follow you like you have a Twitter feed.

So..just give me one....just one...and why you would take him.

Bray=Jevan Snead

Rogers could of simply interviewed like shit and nobody was willing to vouch for him. It seems Patrick Peterson was willing to vouch for Mathieu.

I mean, lets be real here. You have to really, really **** up to get booted from Tennessee.

I don't think you realize who you're toying with...


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Mathieu will be lucky to make it into his 30's.



And I am not talking about his career.......

No. See, that was easy.

There are maybe 5 people on here that have talked about the damn 2013 QB class more than I have this year. I don't feel inclined to argue the point anymore.

I believe this QB class actually has a great deal of quality depth and guys that may become solid starting QBs. And I think you won't have any damn chance at getting one of those without trying.

And this franchise has clearly established a pattern for decades of not trying.

But yeah, let's keep doing that. And you guys that will continue to defend this bullshit organization can keep on playing gotchya games.

It's sad, Rogers might be the most talented WR in the class.

No, you're expected to repeat yourself over and over again every time someone asks the same damn question.

NFL coaching.

Can someone post that gif of cHunt laughing reerunedly when asked by Holthus about drafting and developing a QB when Peeholi first came to town? It still applies, apparantly...
"We're going to address the QB position"

yeah. Great ****ing job on that.
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Yeah no disagreement there. Teams must of really, really hated him.

Funny, normally we agree on things when we post here...that's why I asked you for just one not asking you to list all of them and why you think they have the talent.

So let's answer your response here...first you are pretty off-base on me defending this organization. Nice generalization, but not even close. I detest the last 3 regimes and what they have done to the Chiefs I have watched since they came to KC. I think their inability to draft QB's is pathetic...and I think investing in the lot this year was crazy.

I don't think that any of the QB's this year are going to be the Wilson's/Kaepernick's/whomever that you feel they will be. And evidently so do most of the GM's in the league because the crew of them this year went in the 4th round. And the guy most everyone on this board wanted fell to the pathetic Jets who can't pick a talented QB to save their soul.

If that was true wouldn't there be more quality QB's? And my more honest question....do you really think Andy Reid can coach up any of this crop of QB's?

And another thing.....even if I wanted to, I can't use the search function right now as they turned it off for the Draft Weekend.

But you must have missed that.

Once again I repeat....I don't follow the day-to-day bantering on the draft leading up to it. I was just looking for a simple explanation of your thoughts.

My belief is that Doug Pedersen is a guy that can coach these guys up.

And no, I don't believe that every QB has the tools that these guys have to work with.

Well, that should cause a meltdown

Although you might get your wish with Dysert....looks like he won't be drafted by anyone. Maybe the Chiefs are hoping he goes undrafted and will sign him to the Developmental Squad.

Denver. Who drafted Osweiler last year drafts Dysert now.

I did not like Osweiler last year, but the point remains, they see a QB, they take a QB, even if it isn't a need at the time.

Why we can't do this boggles the mind.

Denver just took Dysert

Damnit that pisses me off..... This draft blows.

Well...that ended that question.

We really drafted a FB over a QB?

I bet we sign Matt Scott if makes he through these last few picks.

Possibly, because we have more holes to fill than Denver?

How many TE's are on the roster now?

Niners take BJ Daniels.

Here go all the left over QBs to non QB needy teams.

Thank god we got our FB.

Seattle get their backup yet?

They've got 2 picks coming up. Won't be surprised to see Scott go bye bye.

Two quality TEs (Moeaki and Fasano), one draft pick (Kelce) and a camp body (Brock)

Honest question here....do you think that Ostweiler and Dysert will see anything other than garbage playing time in Denver? And then let's say that Peyton takes a vicious shot from Hali and is out for most of the season...do you see either of them becoming the QBOTF or just filler until Elway buys a different QB he likes?

the draft pick is a projected day 1 starter so you can eliminate the "two quality TEs" part.

I doubt the Chiefs only carry two TEs. Most teams carry three.

Fisher filled a hole, Johnson filled a hole and you could argue that Kelce filled a hole. The rest of the players they drafted are project picks. Davis was RB depth with huge injury and ball security concerns. Commings is DB depth with character issues. Kush is a division 2 player who'll be o-line depth at best. Fullback is a position that's been all but cycled out of today's NFL, so Wilson's more of a luxury pick and Catapano, while potentially a sleeper is a project. None of those are need picks.

Now I'm not saying any of those (with the possible exception of Davis and Wilson) are bad, just saying they weren't the kind of picks that would leave a gaping hole anywhere if they weren't made.

We can't rely on Brokeaki....plus, his contract is up next year. Kelce was a solid, if unspectacular, pick.

That's my best guess, as well.

It's interesting because Elway has said he thought Osweiler would be the first QB taken in this year's draft. Pretty much threw this draft class under the bus.

If all 3 of these become starters and produce well for the Chiefs, do you call this draft successful?

He asked what TEs are on the roster. Those guys are on the roster. That's all.

I have no idea. What I do know is that there's zero chance of either of them being a player for Denver if they aren't drafted in the first place.

Being a starter isn't a benchmark. They will be evaluated on their contribution to WINNING.

But in reality aren't you wasting a draft pick if you have other needs that could/should be filled?

I totally get the negativity but I remember before the draft that people were talking how Dorsey filled all of the major holes (except ILB) in FA and would have the freedom to pick BPA throughout the draft. It wasn't done the way I would have done it (didn't like the Davis pick at all) but it is pretty clear to me that they think they are doing it that way.

There's a good chance Kelce could be a spectacular pick.

People who harp on tight ends don't now Reid's offense. In Reid's offense, Celek is sometimes nipping at 1,000 yards. We got a guy who might get us 600-800 yards and be a valuable blocker.

So...if they win a few more games is that WINNING? Or are you talking about winning it all?

I say it's a good draft if they all 3 become starters and plug holes we need filled. There are too many holes in this team to fill in one year.

I'm not sure how you quantify 'production' for an offensive tackle, but at the end of the day, the success or failure of this draft will have more to do with Alex Smith than with anyone else.

And I want to reiterate that I have been one of the more positive posters about the players they drafted this weekend. The only picks I really question are Knile Davis and Braden Wilson. My main issue with this draft was and is the loss of the 34th pick. I think we gave up too much for Alex Smith, I think we'd have been better served with a free agent veteran quarterback and spending the 2013 and 2014 second rounders on draft picks. But I'm fine with everyone they drafted. My question was simply why they seem so averse to drafting a project quarterback as opposed to, let's say, a project RB, or a project DB, or a project C, or a project DE. Philosophical thing, and it's not just related to this draft.

I'm a little confused. What have I said that's negative?

Exactly. They could have signed someone like Jason Campbell for free and then taken a development QB.

Poor wording on my part. I just meant that you were looking at it as a draft of mostly depth.

I can agree with that...I'm different than most on here in that I'm not comfortable with Alex Smith at all, I think it was a bad trade.

But I am also convinced that none of the QB's this year fill the bill for what we needed. And I think the pressure of WINNING would have killed any development of this years crop.

It's possible they think more of either Stanzi or Tanney than I do. They're the guys I'm thinking about primarily in this discussion. I believe Dysert, for example, would have been an upgrade at the 3rd quarterback spot over either of those guys. That to me is as much a 'need' as anyone they drafted today aside from Nico. Which is not to say that Dysert will necessarily ever start a game, but I think there's a better (albeit still small...) chance of it happening with him than with either of them.

Falcons take Sean Renfree from Duke.

And just for further clarification....I still don't fathom the signing of Chase Daniels and I am a die-hard MU fan.

He was the guy I was hoping (but not expecting) so see slide to UDFA. But I don't think we're even interested in UD QBs.

Mayock with high praise. Says Renfree probably understands the passing game better than any QB in this draft.

Someone was comparing him to Pennington earlier today. Good understanding of the game but not much arm.

Chiefs drafted a QB in the second, so why would they even be in this mix?

Exactly.

(I about crapped myself when I heard Dorsey say that Thursday night to the true fans at the draft party, to mad cheers of course)

Another of those great Jets draft picks from yesteryear.

Pennington was a good QB that got derailed by injuries.

Was talking about this earlier. Funny but true: he had a better career than Alex Smith has had to date.

Well, things have changed at 1 Arrowhead, even though all of the empirical evidence says that nothing has changed.

P.S. Alex Smith ****ing sucks.

Pennington at least made it to the playoffs several times when he could stay healthy... and won a couple games. If any of these QBs in this draft do that it'll probably be a success.

i agree, maybe they DO see more in those two, than what we realize ?

Everyone on this site loves ad nauseam but spells it wrong.
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Shame that Mr. Irrelevant speech got botched so bad.

Did Bray get drafted?

No. That decision to come out early looks real good now.

Nope. He must have literally spread poison in his interviews. He's got all the tangibles.

Matt Scott nor Bray got drafted so they can pretty much go to any team at this point.

He looked awful in that Gruden QB Camp interview.

I think that was more because of the defense than the offense wasn't it?

Just so I repeat myself...I am not an Alex Smith fan. I am hoping everyone understands that.

Jordan Rogers to the Jags

DaRick Rogers to Bills

Don't understand why Jordan Rodgers and Matt Scott both signed with Jax.

And KC signs Crist :facepalm: