If it works I'm ok with it being a set in the offense. Other than that I say why? Geno has pocket presence, let the guy play in a pro style offense like everyone else.

Just imagine how much Geno could help Baldwin. Put Baldwin in the short intermediate routes since he can't separate worth a shit. That would help on plays like 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 5.

Geno could easily use his quick release to get the ball to Baldwin before the DB has a chance to make a play.

Baldwin needs coaching and discipline. Yes, a QB will help, simply by giving him opportunities to go up and beat a guy (which none of our QBs do).

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No.

Whatchoo got against Saunders?

i have watched him play. My yard.

I think his time in KC, and the entire offense during that time, is vastly overrated. We had an all-time great offensive line which provided wide running lanes and got out in front of screens like clockwork. There were several games, however, in which we racked up yards and points in garbage time.

I'd rather run an offense similar to what Green Bay does and I think Geno compares well to Aaron Rodgers can do. Aaron Rodgers isn't a big guy but has great pocket presence and somehow escapes trouble. He has outstanding accuracy and throws a great deep ball. He can get rid of the ball accurately without always having his feet set.

Green Bay's offensive "system" is all about Rodgers extending plays long enough for people to come open. Plus they like NEVER run the football. That's not a system I want.

See, posts like these make me think you're a troll.

But then according to your bro you're 100% serious about this Manti Te'o garbage.

You are a giant reerun.

LOL someone needs to make that into a KC meme.

The thing I love about our situation is that we have Charles to help out our new QB.

Charles made Cassel look so much better than he really was in 2010. It's such a huge advantage to have a guy like him to force 8 in the box.

Two years ago Ryan Grant got injured week 1.
Last year they didn't have a RB.
This year they brought in Cedric Benson and he got injured week 5. Weeks 2-4 this year he carried the ball 20, 17, and 18 times.

They've had some extenuating circumstances regarding their running game. The two years prior to Grant getting hurt he was a 1200+ yd rusher.

there should be ..... bitch text after Touchdown for added effect

Many Packer fans chalk up James Starks' late season success in the 2010 season as the final element that pushed the Packers over the top as Super Bowl champions. I would tend to agree with them.

When the Packers CAN run the ball, they are lethal.

Lately, they've been working hard at getting their ground game going. It's starting to look good.

So, how many guys have you "experienced"?

LMAO

You sarcastically delivered a list of things I should do, implying that I've already "worn out" my insults. I don't know about you, but I interpret that as you saying I've already done something. Your punctuation reveals your sarcastic tone, so when you're suggesting I do something, you actually mean I already said bitch tits. I, however, did not.

What you're trying to do is communicate multiple meanings so you have a fallback option when people call out your dumb ass. I'm not falling for it, though.

Go **** yourself.

LMAO you guys are killing me.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Sorter again.

Also, word filter evasion.

I'd rather keep zone blocking. And incorporate a shit ton more WR and RB screens. And throw a shit ton more slants to Bowe if he's still here.

I'm sick of watching screens. As a tool they are good. As an offensive philosophy they blow balls as we have watched for the last four years.

We can't run screens for shit.


I'd stick with the ZBS up front.

Screens to Charles will suddenly become a deadly weapon once Geno makes the safeties respect passes over 25 yards.

This guy could easily get Priest numbers if we had a legit passing attack.

I never said we should change blocking schemes. I simply said emphasize the run and bring our QB along slowly, but let them throw downfield to keep defenses honest.

It's tough to have any kind of screen game when the opposing defense doesn't worry about your downfield passing attack. Those should open up more with an actual legit qb

Once we get a QB who can attack the ball down the field, Charles is gonna rape faces.

When have you watched a screen ever? Honestly outside maybe one or two plays this season, Charles hasn't caught any screens. With a good "in space" O line, we should be running a few each game.

I watch every ****ing game and every pass play we throw is a screen or an underneath timing route that gets blown the **** up. What have you been watching?

We can't run screens, because teams attack the LOS with about 8 guys every play and the other 3 aren't more than 12 yards off the ball.

First and long? Let's run charles through a cheesegrater inside. Second and long? Let's run Charles through a cheesegrater inside. Third and short? Let's run Charles through a cheesegrater inside.
third and long? Let's run a screen! Second and short? Let's run a screen.

Why don't we ever ****ing try play-action chuck the ball downfield and let Baldwin try and make a play? Oh, because every time we do we get a wobble launched ball that gives the receiver zero chance.

Baldwin has been shit, but we don't seem to use him to the few strengths he does have.

What's absolutely hysterical to me is, in Orton's first game as a Chief, we executed 2 or 3 beautiful PA screens, one of which to Thomas ****ing Jones that was a half yard away from a TD.

We get Geno, we can put screens back in the playbook!! Same with PA down the field.

Really, we can put any ****ing play in there because we'll have someone competent at the quarterback position. :)

What's this "raw talent" bullshit?

The guy was a Parade All-American Quarterback in high school and a three year BCS conference starter in college who was the 2012 Orange Bowl MVP.

The guy is as experienced at the quarterback position as anyone out there and has shown a very advanced understanding of the game.

Jesus people are dumb.

I didn't realize how much Andrew Luck would affect future classes. It's crazy how this has happened.

Actually, the receiver route tree at WVU under Holgerson utilizes is and uses mostly pro style route progressions. The only difference is that it's typically operated out of a shotgun versus under center. And add to it that Geno did operate in a pro style set his sophomore year.

And, if you've watched any NFL game recently, more often than not, the offenses are being run out of a shotgun, multiple receiver "spread" setting. Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. are all utilizing a shotgun spread an absolute ton.


It's only a gimmick offense if no one else is using it. Right now, a pro style set is the gimmick offense in terms of college football. And it could be easily argued that the "pro style" sets of, say, Charlie Weis during his Notre Dame tenure and USC under Pete Carroll produced substantially inflated/skewed numbers for the quarterbacks in those systems, even more than most of the spread systems.

Well, it was a BR article, so a certain level of dumbassery is to be expected.

Remember that it has been noted by many people that it was a 50/50 split on Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning that year.

Sometimes people are just ****ing dumb for no other reason than they are dumb and obviously suck at their job.

Glennon is nowhere near Geno Smith in every possible category. He really struggles when he's forced to make tight throws and his deep balls are very inaccurate.

Until Luck, they were still comparing every QB drafted to the 1983 class.

Frankly, I don't really care. Geno is as good and with as much potential as I've seen at that level. I just hope that the next GM and HC see it. I don't see how you couldn't, but there's that Leaf/Manning thing which says otherwise, that somebody is still that dumb.

It's the subject of unfair scrutiny.

2004 was the last epic QB class before last year. Then in 2005, people weren't really that high on Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers.

This entire draft class is getting the Aaron Rodgers treatment. Amazing that people thought that Rodgers was even a reach at 5, but 23 teams passed on him.

Turns out that Rodgers is a better QB than anyone in the 2004 class.

Ok, this is where I've been pushing back. Again, I like Geno as a #1 pick, but let's not get carried away by exaggerating how good of a prospect he is. He's a better prospect than Cam or Bradford or Jamarcus... but let's not get carried away and say he's a better or equal prospect than Luck or an RGIII.

Hes our best shot at a QB when we have the chance to get one. Thats all that matters, any other argument is null and void.

Agreed. His ceiling is high, but those guys are rare.

I don't think it is unfair to say Geno Smith can out last RGIII in longevity and have a dynamic career in the NFL. If Geno Smith only gets better and RGIII continues to get hurt then it is not an exaggeration to say he is as good of a prospect as RGIII. Andrew Luck maybe in a class by himself as I think he is a FHOFer. Geno Smith has a lot to prove before talk of HOF, but Andrew Luck at the rate he is going is a sure thing.

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RGIII and Geno have similar ceilings as pocket passers. But RGIII has an elite athletic ability that makes him an elite QB prospect. Not that I'm saying I want a running QB, but the ability to use running ability as a last resort bailout or to be a guy you can roll out on a designed bootleg pass or who can use his legs to extend plays... from that perspective, it's unreal to think about what RGIII can do as he continues to mature as a pocket passer.

RGIII has the running ability of a Mike Vick to pair with his great passing ability.

Geno has the running/scrambling/pocket awareness ability more akin to Aaron Rodgers, IMO.

Has RGIII been able to stay healthy all season? Can you count on him to stay in a game in the playoffs?

I want Gino in a air raid type offense. I want the other team to respect our passing attack.

Geno Smith doesn't have to be better or as good as Luck or RGIII. Nope he has to be better than the defenses he plays against. 9ers didn't beat the Patrifarts because Kapnaki (sp) is better than Tom Brady. They beat the Pats because they could put more points on their defense & outlast a Tom Brady comeback. You got to have a guy who can make the big plays happen. Geno Smith can be that guy.

I know it makes people cringe... but still think Norv Turner as an offensive coordinator would be an unbelievable fit for Geno. There are offenses that require you to be an elite decision maker. Coryell is an offense that relies moreso on a QB who is deadeye accurate and has ability to get the ball vertical. Geno can fit that bill and it puts less pressure on him to have Brady-like quick decision making.

Logic? What is this?

I confused.

Cam Cameron runs the Coryell offense and he's available.

FTR, I wanted the Chiefs to draft Kaepernick and selected him for (bleh) the Faid in the CP Mock.

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The Seattle Seahawks and Washington Redskins are running a "gimmick" offense on about 60% of their snaps. To lesser success, so are the Dolphins and Panthers.

People might as well get used to the fact that the pro game is changing. QBs are more ready than EVER to come in and play right away.

I don't want Norv Turner 1 heartbeat away from HC.

Focusing on GM & HC is what's important at this stage. There are/will be several quality OC options available.

I wouldn't mind Cam Cameron as OC. I still don't get why they fired him, thought that was a dumb move.

1. He wasn't feeding Ray Rice the ball. He's had 13 or less carries 5 times this season and less than 20 carries 9 times. That's unacceptable.

2. Joe Flacco stinks.

Norv will never head coach again. Unless he goes to college which I doubt he would. The oc is a critical decision because they will be the one most responsible for developing a qb. A head coach just isn't going to have the time that an oc would to do that.

Yeah, not a terrible option, but something about his personality. I think I remember hearing he and flacco never really got along.

I wouldn't expect it to happen, but life is unpredictable. Last year who thought that Aaron Kromer, Joe Vitt, and Bruce Arians would be HC at various points during this season?


I'm just saying there are several options (some good, some not terrible, some bad) - Turner, Cameron, Jason Garrett, Ken Whisenhunt, Chan Gailey, Pat Shurmer, Brad Childress, Jim Caldwell. That's not even going into college coaches and guys who aren't current/former NFL OC's/HC's.

I'd rather have Cam Cameron than Norv Turner, FWIW.

I would too, but I think there are better options than both.

He and Flacco didn't get along because Flacco thinks he's Aaron Rodgers or Eli Manning and Cameron knows he's not.

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Agree.

The Ravens have quite a dilemma with him. Hes a free agent after this season right?

They are probably forced to resign him because there wont be any better immediate options for them.

Hes an OK QB, solid even, just not good enough to carry a team on his back. B level QB.

Haha. Just had another guy tell me I converted him to Genoism now that he went and watched 3 of his games.

ONWARD

weird, maybe it's unfair to cameron based on his latest experience, but I'd rather have Norv...

My football buddy that comes over on Sunday is a traitorous chargers fan. And barring when I went to KC to watch games live, I have watched every Chargers game for the past 5 years.

So I have seen Norv in action, a lot. I don't want him anywhere near the play calling for this team. He has no fire, the players don't play for him, and he has gone into a conservative turtle shell as of the last 2 seasons.

Honestly, I think it's the other way around. When you have a RB like Rice and you don't use him an entire half there is an issue (in a close game). Rice has been severely under used this entire season. He's averaged only 16 carries a game as it stands. Unacceptable.

Yep, yep, and yep.

Pass on both. Cam Cameron is extremely unimaginative. Yes, he utilizes a vertical attack offense, but Ravens fans here have been calling for his head for the past two years because he is so predictable.

He was trying to make Flacco happy.

I'm not advocating for Cameron.

I'm using him as the measuring stick for how much I dislike the idea of hiring Norv Turner.

LMAO I'd smack the hell out of him.