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rfaulk34 11-20-2024 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17816438)
I've said it before and will say it again.

Allen is the only QB in football who's A game can stand toe to toe with Mahomes A game.

And if he has fewer and fewer of the B and C games, he'll be at the same level as PM.

Prior this season, the real distinction between the two was that PM just never had games where he shot his own guys out of the game. His B games were a little less frequent than Allen, as were his C games. His D and F games were virtually non-existent.

That's not really the case anymore. Right now, Allen is an equally dangerous QB.

We'll see if that remains the case when the post-season gets here. But history says that Allen is about the only guy in the league who can reasonably claim that his post-season performance is on the same level as PMs. Especially the more mature version of him that's been around the last couple of years (not the hyperactive one that killed them a few years back agains the Texans).

Allen's a remarkable talent. As good as the league's had. In virtually any other era, he'd be the best in the league without much argument.

There's a fair argument to be made that his 2 games in '21 pretty significantly skewer his overall playoff numbers.

Aside from that year, 6 of 8 games <100 passer rating. 5 of them <90 rating and a TD/INT ratio of 12/4. I'd have to update from a previous post detailing those 2 and all the others but i can't do it from work right now.

Buehler445 11-20-2024 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17816441)
This is also the only area Mahomes has ever failed in the post-season.

The Cincy game we lost was a game where he had 3 or 4 opportunities to really just put the game away. And he never could get it done. He the worst half of football he'd ever played to that point.

The defense often takes the blame for that game but you could just as easily put it on Mahomes. Something was just...off.

Someone here postulated he took a knee to the dome and had a concussion. It makes as much sense as anything.

rfaulk34 11-20-2024 04:09 PM

**** it. I have time.

'21 playoffs for Josh Allen (2 games)
48/62 77.4% 637yds 10.3ypa 9/0 148.9 rating
all other playoff games for Josh Allen (8 games)
196/316 62% 2,086yds 6.6ypa 12/4 88.7 rating

RedinTexas 11-20-2024 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17816455)
Someone here postulated he took a knee to the dome and had a concussion. It makes as much sense as anything.

Normally I'd dismiss something like this as just "sour grapes," but Mahomes has plenty of history in the playoffs where he just makes it happen. That makes me think the concussion theory is a pretty fair take.

tredadda 11-20-2024 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17816441)
This is also the only area Mahomes has ever failed in the post-season.

The Cincy game we lost was a game where he had 3 or 4 opportunities to really just put the game away. And he never could get it done. He the worst half of football he'd ever played to that point.

The defense often takes the blame for that game but you could just as easily put it on Mahomes. Something was just...off.

Do people still blame the defense for that loss? The offense and especially Mahomes lost that game.

MahomesMagic 11-20-2024 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17816441)
This is also the only area Mahomes has ever failed in the post-season.

The Cincy game we lost was a game where he had 3 or 4 opportunities to really just put the game away. And he never could get it done. He the worst half of football he'd ever played to that point.

The defense often takes the blame for that game but you could just as easily put it on Mahomes. Something was just...off.

As bad as that 2nd half was (I credit Lou as much as docking Pat, it was brilliant defensive coaching), Mahomes led the team down to get points to send it to OT.

In OT he hit Tyreek in the hands down the sideline. If Tyreek catches that instead of pops it up for the INT we are likely going to the SB after Mahomes wins that game in OT.

rfaulk34 11-20-2024 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17816627)
As bad as that 2nd half was (I credit Lou as much as docking Pat, it was brilliant defensive coaching), Mahomes led the team down to get points to send it to OT.

In OT he hit Tyreek in the hands down the sideline. If Tyreek catches that instead of pops it up for the INT we are likely going to the SB after Mahomes wins that game in OT.

That didn't happen.

IowaHawkeyeChief 11-20-2024 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17816392)
Figured that was coming.

ZERO for Allen and Jackson.

Two GWD's for Burrow. Both in 2021. Back to back weeks. Tenn. and KC. Led the GW FG drive in OT against us.

Mahomes has six. One in 2019, one in 2021, two in 2022, two in 2023.

All stats, per PFR.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...layer=MahoPa00

That drive in OT started at their 45 after the pick. He believe he completed 2 passes of about 8 yards, and Mixon had a big run to get them in FG range. Still counts, but wasn't overly impressive.

Ming the Merciless 12-01-2024 03:23 PM

Bengals sukk

carcosa 12-01-2024 03:24 PM

They ain't won shit and ain't never gonna win shit lmao

RunKC 12-01-2024 03:30 PM

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tredadda 12-01-2024 03:36 PM

Keep saying it, but KC broke them. It’s been all downhill since “Burrowhead”.

BWillie 12-01-2024 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ming the Merciless (Post 17835905)
Bengals sukk

Bengals defense sukk

Offense is elite elite

RaidersOftheCellar 12-01-2024 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17835939)
Keep saying it, but KC broke them. It’s been all downhill since “Burrowhead”.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/1uC8x...=200w.gif&ct=g

Red Dawg 12-01-2024 03:59 PM

They are finally cooked. They needed to win the 3 against Balt, LAC and Pitt to stay in it and lost them all. It's done. 9-8 best they can do but they lose every tie breaker. Season is washed. Chase contract gonna ruin the defense even more. Joe climbing up hill battle to get a ring.

FlaChief58 12-01-2024 04:51 PM

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Bearcat 12-01-2024 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17816438)
I've said it before and will say it again.

Allen is the only QB in football who's A game can stand toe to toe with Mahomes A game.

And if he has fewer and fewer of the B and C games, he'll be at the same level as PM.

Prior this season, the real distinction between the two was that PM just never had games where he shot his own guys out of the game. His B games were a little less frequent than Allen, as were his C games. His D and F games were virtually non-existent.

That's not really the case anymore. Right now, Allen is an equally dangerous QB.

We'll see if that remains the case when the post-season gets here. But history says that Allen is about the only guy in the league who can reasonably claim that his post-season performance is on the same level as PMs. Especially the more mature version of him that's been around the last couple of years (not the hyperactive one that killed them a few years back agains the Texans).

Allen's a remarkable talent. As good as the league's had. In virtually any other era, he'd be the best in the league without much argument.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17816452)
There's a fair argument to be made that his 2 games in '21 pretty significantly skewer his overall playoff numbers.

Aside from that year, 6 of 8 games <100 passer rating. 5 of them <90 rating and a TD/INT ratio of 12/4. I'd have to update from a previous post detailing those 2 and all the others but i can't do it from work right now.

It's pretty incredible he's only made one AFCCG in his career (and was outscored 31-9 outside of a 3 yard TD drive and garbage time).

chiefzilla1501 12-01-2024 05:15 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jamar Chase really said “We are the team to beat in the AFC” and then every AFC team proved him right</p>&mdash; Fat White (@reddirtgatekpr) <a href="https://twitter.com/reddirtgatekpr/status/1863335175490338946?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

St. Patty's Fire 12-01-2024 05:16 PM

rip bengals. theyll never sniff a SB again w this core

Bowser 12-01-2024 05:19 PM

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Sassy Squatch 12-01-2024 05:21 PM

Rest of the NFL when scoring at least 33 points: 51-1

Bengals are 2-4

Bearcat 12-01-2024 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17836190)
Rest of the NFL when scoring at least 33 points: 51-1

Bengals are 2-4

Shit, even in the year the Chiefs scored 50 and lost, they still went 6-2 by that metric.

Red Dawg 12-01-2024 05:43 PM

It's just so wonderful that this arrogant jerkwad of a team crapped their season away and will be at home watching.

Pepe Silvia 12-01-2024 05:44 PM

Back to Back seasons without playoffs. Ouch.

BigCatDaddy 12-01-2024 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17835939)
Keep saying it, but KC broke them. It’s been all downhill since “Burrowhead”.

Put the Bengals and Justin Tucker in the list that PM2 have broken.

Wisconsin_Chief 12-01-2024 06:23 PM

This thread couldn’t even make it two full years before the Bengals faded back into irrelevance. What a shame.

That was a fun couple of years, though! Back to eating dog food chili and hanging out in the basement for Bengals fans. Burrow probably demands a trade in another 1-2 years or just retires like Carson Palmer. So it was written, and so it shall come to pass.

TEX 12-01-2024 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17836373)
This thread couldn’t even make it two full years before the Bengals faded back into irrelevance. What a shame.

That was a fun couple of years, though! Back to eating dog food chili and hanging out in the basement for Bengals fans. Burrow probably demands a trade in another 1-2 years or just retires like Carson Palmer. So it was written, and so it shall come to pass.

Yep. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Hammock Parties 12-01-2024 07:41 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WHO DEY Miss dem playoffs 2 years in a row?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/sorryinadvance?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#sorryinadvance</a></p>&mdash; Bobby Stroupe (@bobbystroupe) <a href="https://twitter.com/bobbystroupe/status/1863372248301613163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

wazu 12-01-2024 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17836569)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WHO DEY Miss dem playoffs 2 years in a row?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/sorryinadvance?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#sorryinadvance</a></p>&mdash; Bobby Stroupe (@bobbystroupe) <a href="https://twitter.com/bobbystroupe/status/1863372248301613163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I just ran to this thread to post this. LMAO

Sofa King 12-01-2024 07:47 PM

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The team to beat!!!!11!1!1!1!

FlaChief58 12-01-2024 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 17836601)
The team to beat!!!!11!1!1!1!

At least 8 teams a year approve this post

tredadda 12-01-2024 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 17836355)
Put the Bengals and Justin Tucker in the list that PM2 have broken.

Might need to add the Niners to that list.

DJ's left nut 12-01-2024 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 17836004)
They are finally cooked. They needed to win the 3 against Balt, LAC and Pitt to stay in it and lost them all. It's done. 9-8 best they can do but they lose every tie breaker. Season is washed. Chase contract gonna ruin the defense even more. Joe climbing up hill battle to get a ring.

They've been cooked for 8 weeks. For the same reasons that were obvious by the end of September.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17730338)
So could Carolina - each are equally likely.

The Bengals are done.

They're probably not far from a complete melt-down. That defense isn't good enough to win games in the North. They're still gonna lose a game to Pittsburgh and maybe even Cleveland. They're going to lose another one to Baltimore.

Honestly, I'm not sure why I should even expect them to beat the Giants, let alone the Cowboys or Eagles.

They'll probably end up at/near .500 but that's not gonna get the job done.

They're cooked.


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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17704452)
9-8 is pretty much their ceiling at this point.

They have 6 games against the AFC North left and they have no defense to speak of.

AFC North games are built on uglying it up and winning late with defensive stands. The Bengals ain't winning those. If they're lucky they manage to go 3-3 in those games.

So they need to find 6 other wins? Not impossible, but not easy. Giants, Panthers, Faid, Broncos, Titans and then hope to steal 1 of the three against Dallas/Philly/LAC?

Does 9-8 get them into the playoffs? No, i don't think it does.

But hey, maybe they'll get to take advantage of that cake last place schedule again next season. So they've got that going for them....which is nice.

They're just not a good football team.

Hammock Parties 12-02-2024 03:35 AM

Orlando's fat ass sucks LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you Pittsburgh. Can’t wait to see you in the playoffs <a href="https://t.co/ZZTcmnqJoT">pic.twitter.com/ZZTcmnqJoT</a></p>&mdash; ThatsGoodSports (@BrandonPerna) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonPerna/status/1863325009177161836?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

PatMahomesIsGod 12-02-2024 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17837202)
Orlando's fat ass sucks LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you Pittsburgh. Can’t wait to see you in the playoffs <a href="https://t.co/ZZTcmnqJoT">pic.twitter.com/ZZTcmnqJoT</a></p>&mdash; ThatsGoodSports (@BrandonPerna) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonPerna/status/1863325009177161836?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol, he’s probably their LT next year too.

Don’t see cheap ass Mike Brown taking a $15M cap hit.

Bengal Billy 12-02-2024 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17837202)
Orlando's fat ass sucks LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you Pittsburgh. Can’t wait to see you in the playoffs <a href="https://t.co/ZZTcmnqJoT">pic.twitter.com/ZZTcmnqJoT</a></p>&mdash; ThatsGoodSports (@BrandonPerna) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonPerna/status/1863325009177161836?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

OBJ can't handle speed. He sucks against it. Man, this play he was absolutely dreadful. Looked like Wanya Morris out there!

Bengal Billy 12-02-2024 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17835941)
Bengals defense sukk

Offense is elite elite


Bengals defense (especially the back end) is the worst defense I can remember the Bengals ever fielding. I can't even think of a worse one even in the '90s. They are terrible.

Yeah the offense is really good, but still has O-line problems.
With the defense as bad as they are, their offense has to be perfect in scoring every drive. One or two mistakes by the offense in a game (INT, fumble, fail to convert, etc.), and it is basically ball game over. Can't expect any side of the ball to be nearly perfect all game to have chances of winning.

Sassy Squatch 12-02-2024 05:43 AM

Lou Anarumo is basically Bob Sutton it seems.

Wisconsin_Chief 12-02-2024 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bengal Billy (Post 17837212)
OBJ can't handle speed. He sucks against it. Man, this play he was absolutely dreadful. Looked like Wanya Morris out there!

Yeah, but we didn’t give Wanya the biggest signing bonus ever for an o-lineman to suck ass all day. ;)

Bengal Billy 12-02-2024 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17837215)
Yeah, but we didn’t give Wanya the biggest signing bonus ever for an o-lineman to suck ass all day. ;)

True. At least the Chiefs can bench/dump their Oklahoma LT product. Don't be trying to offload that crap on Cincy again !!

FlaChief58 12-02-2024 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengal Billy (Post 17837212)
OBJ can't handle speed. He sucks against it. Man, this play he was absolutely dreadful. Looked like Wanya Morris out there!

We know, we tried to tell bungles fan when they signed him, but all we heard was "WE STOLE HIM FROM YOU" ROFL

Red Dawg 12-02-2024 07:13 AM

Making fun of another teams LT is rich. Both of ours a total trash. I would take theirs all day.

TambaBerry 12-02-2024 07:19 AM

Brown was even false starting all day and he still got destroyed

Bengal Billy 12-02-2024 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlaChief58 (Post 17837226)
We know, we tried to tell bungles fan when they signed him, but all we heard was "WE STOLE HIM FROM YOU" ROFL

Lesson learned.

Oklahoma tackles,,,,, ughh

Bengal Billy 12-02-2024 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 17837228)
Making fun of another teams LT is rich. Both of ours a total trash. I would take theirs all day.

Yeah, as bad as OBJ can be against speed,, he's still not on a complete trash level as Morris at this point. OBJ would be an upgrade for sure. Man, can't believe I typed that :shake:

TEX 12-02-2024 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengal Billy (Post 17837218)
True. At least the Chiefs can bench/dump their Oklahoma LT product. Don't be trying to offload that crap on Cincy again !!

First, we need to try him at Guard, where some draft pundits thought he was better suited to play in the NFL.

OBJ is a RT. Period.

Bearcat 12-02-2024 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengal Billy (Post 17837212)
OBJ can't handle speed. He sucks against it. Man, this play he was absolutely dreadful. Looked like Wanya Morris out there!

Nah, Morris doesn't even move... like, at all. He might still be standing at the 5 yard line after giving up that red zone sack.

Buehler445 12-02-2024 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengal Billy (Post 17837212)
OBJ can't handle speed. He sucks against it. Man, this play he was absolutely dreadful. Looked like Wanya Morris out there!

psssst....

We know. First hand.

nicksdad 12-02-2024 09:33 AM

Maybe we should take it easy on Jamar Chase Every Other Team in The Standings? When he said the Bungles were the team to beat in the AFC this year he might have meant the team that other teams would be able to beat ? On second thought, screw that guy .

DJ's left nut 12-02-2024 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17837202)
Orlando's fat ass sucks LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you Pittsburgh. Can’t wait to see you in the playoffs <a href="https://t.co/ZZTcmnqJoT">pic.twitter.com/ZZTcmnqJoT</a></p>&mdash; ThatsGoodSports (@BrandonPerna) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonPerna/status/1863325009177161836?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT WITH UCHE?!?!?!?

That's exactly what we need to be using him for and when we do that with regularity, the QBs will stop setting so deep and those pressures that Jones creates can become sacks.

Dammit we need that speed rusher so badly. I don't know how we can continue to get a first hand look at how it wrecks protections week in, week out, and seemingly have no interest in even attempting it.

Danguardace 12-02-2024 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17837317)
WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT WITH UCHE?!?!?!?

That's exactly what we need to be using him for and when we do that with regularity, the QBs will stop setting so deep and those pressures that Jones creates can become sacks.

Dammit we need that speed rusher so badly. I don't know how we can continue to get a first hand look at how it wrecks protections week in, week out, and seemingly have no interest in even attempting it.

Chiefs gotta be holding stuff back surely

KC_Connection 12-02-2024 05:28 PM

There is no bigger embarrassment in all of sports than the Cincinnati Bengals.

KC_Connection 12-02-2024 05:45 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In his last 17 games, Patrick Mahomes has led 9 game-winning drives.<br><br>Joe Burrow has 9 GWDs in 71 career games.</p>&mdash; Scott Kacsmar (@ScottKacsmar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottKacsmar/status/1863718546808659988?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No bigger fraud than Joe Burrow either.

smithandrew051 12-02-2024 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17837920)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In his last 17 games, Patrick Mahomes has led 9 game-winning drives.<br><br>Joe Burrow has 9 GWDs in 71 career games.</p>&mdash; Scott Kacsmar (@ScottKacsmar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottKacsmar/status/1863718546808659988?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No bigger fraud than Joe Burrow either.

Called it before the season:

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17554829)
Joe Burrow.

Injury prone. Never thrown 40 TDs in a season. Career high of 4600 yards.

Always had amazing weapons.

Has 1 great postseason win, thanks to his defense. He wasn’t even all that great against a defense that Josh Allen destroyed.


Hammock Parties 12-02-2024 07:01 PM

Joe Burrow is just upscale Trent Green with a defense.

He's not even in the best QB in his own team's history.

Win an MVP, then he can be compared with Boomer.

Fraud. Footnote on a dynasty. Just like Boomer and Ken.

Red Dawg 12-02-2024 07:16 PM

Even I won't act like Joe isn't good. He's better than good he's just not as clutch as the media brags.

Arch Stanton 12-02-2024 08:00 PM

Average Joe.

jjchieffan 12-03-2024 12:02 AM

I had said that we would see if Joe Burrow was as good as everyone thought this year after losing Boyd and all of the defensive talent due to his contract. Higgins missing games hurt too. And I guess that I got my answer. He was propped up by a strong supporting cast. Having 3 wide receivers with the talent of Chase, Higgins and Boyd would make anyone look good. Just like throwing to Tim Brown and Jerry Rice made everyone think that Gannon was special. Same thing happens over and over. Michael Irvin, and Emmitt Smith put a mediocre Troy Aikman in the hall of fame. Burrow had his chance and blew it. Mostly because he couldn't stay healthy during his window. He may get another opportunity to shine. But it likely won't be in Cincinnati. At some point me may get the opportunity to move to another loaded team that just needs a quarterback, like the 2020 Buccaneers did with Brady. But his chances are pretty slim now.

JPH83 12-03-2024 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17837317)
WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT WITH UCHE?!?!?!?

That's exactly what we need to be using him for and when we do that with regularity, the QBs will stop setting so deep and those pressures that Jones creates can become sacks.

Dammit we need that speed rusher so badly. I don't know how we can continue to get a first hand look at how it wrecks protections week in, week out, and seemingly have no interest in even attempting it.

I don't want to say Spags doesn't know how to use him, because he clearly does, and has used similar guys before....but man, I do not get his reluctance. A LOT of us have cried out for speed. Karlaftis, Danna, FAU, none of them win fast and the lack of that threat is such an obvious, infuriating need.

Also I loved Herbig as a draft pick, he's looked unreal

Sassy Squatch 12-03-2024 06:48 AM

If they fire Zac Taylor how heavy of a favorite is Joe Brady to replace him?

htismaqe 12-03-2024 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17838870)
If they fire Zac Taylor how heavy of a favorite is Joe Brady to replace him?

Taylor will be back. They're too cheap to buy him out. They will fire Lou first.

tredadda 12-03-2024 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17838870)
If they fire Zac Taylor how heavy of a favorite is Joe Brady to replace him?

After how long they retained Marvin Lewis I can’t envision them letting Taylor go, especially considering he has accomplished more.

tredadda 12-03-2024 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 17838022)
Even I won't act like Joe isn't good. He's better than good he's just not as clutch as the media brags.

He really isn’t. He has more fourth quarter INTs in the playoffs than TD passes. That’s striking to me.

Tribal Warfare 12-03-2024 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17838958)
He really isn’t. He has more fourth quarter INTs in the playoffs than TD passes. That’s striking to me.

3 years and counting since he and the Bengals beat the Chiefs in the AFCCG. Burrow gets more tread on that game moreso than Allen & Lamar Jackson's entire career.

Buehler445 12-03-2024 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17838955)
After how long they retained Marvin Lewis I can’t envision them letting Taylor go, especially considering he has accomplished more.

It's hard to tell. I've read Browns daughter is making the calls these days. I'll defer to faulk or Billy, but it might be a different person making the call.

Plus it's not made in a vacuum. I'd all but guarantee there is someone in the room beating the table saying we're not doing this Marvin Lewis shit again.

Red Dawg 12-03-2024 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 17839058)
3 years and counting since he and the Bengals beat the Chiefs in the AFCCG. Burrow gets more tread on that game moreso than Allen & Lamar Jackson's entire career.

You ain't lying. It gets brought up every time they talk Bengals. The only active QB to best Mahomes in a playoff game. Brady retired so it's just him. It was years ago and we have two more rings and Joe has nothing. Not even a division title.

rfaulk34 12-03-2024 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17838955)
After how long they retained Marvin Lewis I can’t envision them letting Taylor go, especially considering he has accomplished more.

There's not even the slightest possibility that Zac is gone. I doubt that Lou is either. They'll point to all the one score losses and look to sign some more cheap free agents and miss on some more draft picks while trying to blow more smoke up fan's asses that they're...

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Tribal Warfare 12-03-2024 01:39 PM

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RINGLEADER 12-03-2024 02:27 PM

For all the supposed talent they’ve been trash this season. And their defense sucks (27th in yards and 31st in points allowed). Door will close this season when they start shedding players — this was this last swing and they whiffed.

Tribal Warfare 12-03-2024 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 17839406)
For all the supposed talent they’ve been trash this season. And their defense sucks (27th in yards and 31st in points allowed). Door will close this season when they start shedding players — this was this last swing and they whiffed.


Lou Anarumo who has the "secret recipe" against the Chiefs offense will be the sacrificial lamb instead of Zac Taylor

Megatron96 12-03-2024 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 17839446)
Lou Anarumo who has the "secret recipe" against the Chiefs offense will be the sacrificial lamb instead of Zac Taylor



Huh? CIN's offense has scored an average of 33pts/gm over their last 3, but lost every one of those games. Their defense is the problem. They're 31st in scoring defense and after next week they'll assuredly be dead last, giving up 37.7pts/gm over their last 3 games.

Nothing "sacrificial lamb" about it. Last I checked, Anarumo is the CIN-DC and he's in charge of putting a competent defense on the field, injuries or whatever be damned, and he flat has failed to do so this entire season.

MahomesMagic 12-03-2024 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17839488)
Huh? CIN's offense has scored an average of 33pts/gm over their last 3, but lost every one of those games. Their defense is the problem. They're 31st in scoring defense and after next week they'll assuredly be dead last, giving up 37.7pts/gm over their last 3 games.

Nothing "sacrificial lamb" about it. Last I checked, Anarumo is the CIN-DC and he's in charge of putting a competent defense on the field, injuries or whatever be damned, and he flat has failed to do so this entire season.

He’ll have another DC job instantly.

Megatron96 12-03-2024 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17839490)
He’ll have another DC job instantly.



Fine. Doesn't change the fact that he's been worse than incompetent this season.

TomBarndtsTwin 12-03-2024 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17839495)
Fine. Doesn't change the fact that he's been worse than incompetent this season.

In all fairness, he doesn't have much to work with. Their defensive personnel is awful. They BIGLY miscalculated when they let D.J. Reader go this off-season and Bates the off-season before that. They haven't been drafting well on defense either lately and that's catching up with them.

Lou will likely be the fall guy, but this is absolutely on the front office.

irafreak 12-03-2024 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17839495)
Fine. Doesn't change the fact that he's been worse than incompetent this season.

Look at our defense. With the injuries, we've taken a step back recently. Best coach in the world has to have talent to work with. Before they gutted their defense to resign the offense players, they were a top defense. That defense almost won them a superbowl...he's a good coach and I don't want them to fire him and he ends up on a team that just needs a defensive boost to be contenders.

Sassy Squatch 12-03-2024 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17839507)
In all fairness, he doesn't have much to work with. Their defensive personnel is awful. They BIGLY miscalculated when they let D.J. Reader go this off-season and Bates the off-season before that. They haven't been drafting well on defense either lately and that's catching up with them.

Lou will likely be the fall guy, but this is absolutely on the front office.

The amount of talent they've let leave with no return is completely asinine. Operating as a skin flint organization may have already completely slammed their window shut, which is insane to think about.

alpha_omega 12-03-2024 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17837256)
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OBJ is a RT. Period.

Ha. Not in his mind.

Megatron96 12-03-2024 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17839507)
In all fairness, he doesn't have much to work with. Their defensive personnel is awful. They BIGLY miscalculated when they let D.J. Reader go this off-season and Bates the off-season before that. They haven't been drafting well on defense either lately and that's catching up with them.

Lou will likely be the fall guy, but this is absolutely on the front office.

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Originally Posted by irafreak (Post 17839509)
Look at our defense. With the injuries, we've taken a step back recently. Best coach in the world has to have talent to work with. Before they gutted their defense to resign the offense players, they were a top defense. That defense almost won them a superbowl...he's a good coach and I don't want them to fire him and he ends up on a team that just needs a defensive boost to be contenders.


I get it, the defense lost several key players.

But here's the thing: really good coaches adapt/overcome. And DCs have to find their identity, just like OCs. Stop the run or rush the passer or whatever. Find something your unit can do. Anarumo didn't do that. And in spite of his reputation, his unit is trending down, not up.

Hell, they aren't even treading water. They're sinking like the Titanic. By the end of next week they'll probably be giving up an average of 36+ pts/gm, a TD worse than the former worst defense in the league, CAR at 30pts/gm.

Even Bowles' defense is trending back up. Albeit incrementally, but they're giving up almost a FG less than they were 4 or so weeks ago. And they were so thin at CB that they couldn't even run dime until 3 weeks ago, and they still have a PS LB starting for them, I think.

Anarumo may call a good game and have a nice scheme, but he isn't showing that he can adapt when he doesn't have the best players, which reminds me of Sutton.

Maybe I'm just wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. But that's just how it feels to me. Ymmv.

Peter Gibbons 12-03-2024 05:58 PM

I read somewhere that Cincy still has a team. Can anyone confirm?

Rainbarrel 12-03-2024 07:31 PM

Who can lay the longest turd wins, is team building


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