ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Media Center (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Movies and TV Star Trek 12 Gets Release Date (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=221538)

Frazod 12-07-2012 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9188199)
The more and more I read speculation...the more I'm convinced that Khan bites it early in this one, and one of his Eugenics supermen buds is Cumberpatch's character.

Really wanted it to be Gary Mitchell but it's not.

I watched the Gary Mitchell TOS episode last night - hadn't seen it in years. God the uniforms were awful.

whoman69 12-07-2012 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9186672)
You people are spoiled rotten.

There's no reason a movie can't take this long to come out. It used to happen all the time before studios felt some stupid need to pump crap out as fast as possible.

I'm all for it. Get it right. Get it perfect.

When it was being shown, they had the equivalent of half a movie done every week.

Deberg_1990 12-07-2012 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9188281)
I watched the Gary Mitchell TOS episode last night - hadn't seen it in years. God the uniforms were awful.

That was actually the 2nd pilot right? The first episode with Shatner if i remember right?

Deberg_1990 12-07-2012 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9188199)
The more and more I read speculation...the more I'm convinced that Khan bites it early in this one, and one of his Eugenics supermen buds is Cumberpatch's character.

Really wanted it to be Gary Mitchell but it's not.

IM guessing this 9 minute preview will reveal who it is.

keg in kc 12-07-2012 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9188406)
That was actually the 2nd pilot right? The first episode with Shatner if i remember right?

Yeah, The Cage was the original pilot.

Frazod 12-07-2012 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9188406)
That was actually the 2nd pilot right? The first episode with Shatner if i remember right?

Yep. In some ways it was rougher than the Jeffrey Hunter pilot, and they made wholesale changes afterward. Uniforms were awful, weapons looked like they were straight out of a 50's sci-fi movie, there was a different doctor, no Uhura, Sulu was a department head instead of the helmsman, there were clearly typewritten reports on the view screens, they had a regular pillow and blanket on Mitchell's bed in sick bay, main view screen was tiny. Kudos to whoever changed all that crap once the show got picked up.

Red Brooklyn 12-07-2012 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9188416)
IM guessing this 9 minute preview will reveal who it is.

I'm sure you're right.

Honestly, I loved what these guys did with the first one. I'm all in. I don't really care where they take it because I trust them.

I don't care if it's Khan or Mitchell or someone completely new. Looks like it's going to be a great ride no matter what.

Frazod 12-07-2012 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 9188692)
I'm sure you're right.

Honestly, I loved what these guys did with the first one. I'm all in. I don't really care where they take it because I trust them.

I don't care if it's Khan or Mitchell or someone completely new. Looks like it's going to be a great ride no matter what.

I can't say I loved the Star Wars-ish dumbing down, but I realize it was necessary to keep the franchise alive.

Deberg_1990 12-07-2012 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9188682)
Yep. In some ways it was rougher than the Jeffrey Hunter pilot, and they made wholesale changes afterward. Uniforms were awful, weapons looked like they were straight out of a 50's sci-fi movie, there was a different doctor, no Uhura, Sulu was a department head instead of the helmsman, there were clearly typewritten reports on the view screens, they had a regular pillow and blanket on Mitchell's bed in sick bay, main view screen was tiny. Kudos to whoever changed all that crap once the show got picked up.


Heh, its been fun to go back and rewatch some of those old episodes on Netflix in HD. You can clearly make out mistakes such as makeup lines and cheesy plastic made props. Stuff we never picked up on as kids growing up watching them on old fuzzy UHF stations.
Posted via Mobile Device

Deberg_1990 12-07-2012 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9188699)
I can't say I loved the Star Wars-ish dumbing down, but I realize it was necessary to keep the franchise alive.

Understood. It's clearly been updated for the "Michael Bay" audience, but JJ managed to keep it somewhat thought provoking but still and stayed true to the characters. Mostly he made it cool and relevant again.
Posted via Mobile Device

Red Brooklyn 12-07-2012 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9188699)
I can't say I loved the Star Wars-ish dumbing down, but I realize it was necessary to keep the franchise alive.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

Chiefspants 12-07-2012 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 9189136)
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

There is a segment of traditional trekkies who hate that J.J. removed the focus on plot development through extended conversations and opted for more of emphasis on action driven scenes.

Still, imo, it was an engaging story and had a number of moving elements throughout its entirety.

mikey23545 12-07-2012 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 9189136)
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

Uhh, Scotty going through the Enterprise's wash cycle and bringing his little teddy bear alien aboard the enterprise, Kirk running through the ship waving his Mickey Mouse hands around...Don't ever make me watch Spock and Uhura making out again...

And Kirk being named Captain of the Enterprise at the end of it all?...Kinda like the USN naming some 19 year old the captain of their largest nuclear aircraft carrier...

Frazod 12-08-2012 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 9189181)
Uhh, Scotty going through the Enterprise's wash cycle and bringing his little teddy bear alien aboard the enterprise, Kirk running through the ship waving his Mickey Mouse hands around...Don't ever make me watch Spock and Uhura making out again...

And Kirk being named Captain of the Enterprise at the end of it all?...Kinda like the USN naming some 19 year old the captain of their largest nuclear aircraft carrier...

This, and more. And worst of all, the entire motive for the villain was horribly flawed, and while I know from the deleted scenes why the Romulans vanished for 25 years, and know the backstory from the preview graphic novel, the whole thing was just ****tarded.

However, I understand that they had to reboot the whole thing and not be constrained in the future by traditional ST canon. I'm pretty much an end-justifies-the-means guy anyway, so I get it. But the means had plot holes you could fly a starship through.

Red Brooklyn 12-08-2012 09:44 AM

Well we could argue back and forth all day about how flawed or stupid some of the sequences might have been.

But I still don't understand the Star Wars comparison, nor how it was dumbed down. Whether it was flawed or not, the film was fairly complex and emotionally mature.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:55 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.