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BlackHelicopters 07-27-2013 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9837856)
Someone offers me a couple million and you can rest assured I don't treat it like a rico post and go TLDR :D

Yep

chiefzilla1501 07-27-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9837774)
I would imagine his agent should have told him about the contract more thoroughly.
I also would imagine that he will be told he should have read it before he signed the contract.

Brown is claiming that he was in frequent contact with his agent. He claims that the clause never really came up. Which I'm inclined to believe, because it really does genuinely seem like Brown flat out did not know about this. It will be interesting to see if Brown mentioned he was working out on his own and his agent said nothing.

It doesn't help that his agent is a contract lawyer. This is an unbelievable oversight on his part.

It's possible he told Brown about it. I'm inclined to believe that given he had money on the line too, he would have been forceful about it if he did and certainly wouldn't have ever let him work out on his own.

notorious 07-27-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9837786)
Anyone who doesn't fully read a contract before signing is a complete dumbass.

When it comes to millions of dollars, yes.


Don't forget that he is a CB, so he probably has the IQ of a doorstop. Reading is not required in his field of expertise.

chiefzilla1501 07-27-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9837786)
Anyone who doesn't fully read a contract before signing is a complete dumbass.

Especially agents who pored through the contract, negotiated the terms, and have experience in contract law.

Rain Man 07-27-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9837870)
When it comes to millions of dollars, yes.


Don't forget that he is a CB, so he probably has the IQ of a doorstop. Reading is not required in his field of expertise.

I should point out that he went to the University of Texas, so he must be pretty bright unless things have changed since I went there.

notorious 07-27-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9837883)
I should point out that he went to the University of Texas, so he must be pretty bright unless things have changed since I went there.


LMAO

Chief Roundup 07-27-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9837863)
Brown is claiming that he was in frequent contact with his agent. He claims that the clause never really came up. Which I'm inclined to believe, because it really does genuinely seem like Brown flat out did not know about this. It will be interesting to see if Brown mentioned he was working out on his own and his agent said nothing.

It doesn't help that his agent is a contract lawyer. This is an unbelievable oversight on his part.

It's possible he told Brown about it. I'm inclined to believe that given he had money on the line too, he would have been forceful about it if he did and certainly wouldn't have ever let him work out on his own.

So he is admitting that he didn't read his contract. That is his fault. I can't blame him for firing his agent. I would feel like the agent cost me the money as well. But the bottom line does not change. It was Browns legal responsibility to know what was in the contract before he signed the contract. He did not do that so he has no one to blame past himself. He probably will not trust his next agent.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-27-2013 10:23 AM

I just have a funny image of him staring at the contract and going "**** it TLDR"

chiefzilla1501 07-27-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9837912)
So he is admitting that he didn't read his contract. That is his fault. I can't blame him for firing his agent. I would feel like the agent cost me the money as well. But the bottom line does not change. It was Browns legal responsibility to know what was in the contract before he signed the contract. He did not do that so he has no one to blame past himself. He probably will not trust his next agent.

If you pay an agent to represent you, and he's the one telling you that it's okay to workout somewhere else, that's advice and counsel. And it's pretty much malpractice because he gave counsel that he absolutely should have known was wrong. People act like we're talking about educated Harvard students who negotiate their contracts. They hire agents who are more than likely reading high level points about the salary. It's possible this clause was barely even communicated to him in the talking points.

That is especially worse if his agent had power of attorney.

Chief Roundup 07-27-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9837919)
If you pay an agent to represent you, and he's the one telling you that it's okay to workout somewhere else, that's advice and counsel. And it's pretty much malpractice because he gave counsel that he absolutely should have known was wrong. People act like we're talking about educated Harvard students who negotiate their contracts. They hire agents who are more than likely reading high level points about the salary. It's possible this clause was barely even communicated to him in the talking points.

That is especially worse if his agent had power of attorney.

This agent has how many players that he is responsible for? If the player doesn't ask a direct question reguarding this where the agent would look up that information then it is not the agents fault.
I would imagine that it would be difficult to keep those contracts straight off the top of your head.

BlackHelicopters 07-27-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9837883)
I should point out that he went to the University of Texas, so he must be pretty bright unless things have changed since I went there.

Bevo colored glasses?

chiefzilla1501 07-27-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9837931)
This agent has how many players that he is responsible for? If the player doesn't ask a direct question reguarding this where the agent would look up that information then it is not the agents fault.
I would imagine that it would be difficult to keep those contracts straight off the top of your head.

If his agent actually said it was okay to not attend, then he is a paid contract lawyer who gave advice that was completely incorrect. Don't give advice without referencing the contract. It will also be interesting to see if this agent had power of attorney.

If he has so many clients that he can't remember this kind of a major detail, then shame on him. And he's paying for it dearly. I am sure it's going to really hurt his ability to get and keep clients.

If you believe Brown, the two talked frequently. How can an agent interact with his client without knowing a thing about contracts, especially when that is your bread and butter? You'd expect it from a lesser educated guy with no contractual experience (it's possible he heard and read the terms but didn't understand it, which is why he hired an attorney). You don't expect that from a guy whose life is built around negotiating contracts.

Chief Roundup 07-27-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9837966)
If his agent actually said it was okay to not attend, then he is a paid contract lawyer who gave advice that was completely incorrect. Don't give advice without referencing the contract. It will also be interesting to see if this agent had power of attorney.

If he has so many clients that he can't remember this kind of a major detail, then shame on him. And he's paying for it dearly. I am sure it's going to really hurt his ability to get and keep clients.

If you believe Brown, the two talked frequently. How can an agent interact with his client without knowing a thing about contracts, especially when that is your bread and butter? You'd expect it from a lesser educated guy with no contractual experience (it's possible he heard and read the terms but didn't understand it, which is why he hired an attorney). You don't expect that from a guy whose life is built around negotiating contracts.

That is the littlest word with the biggest meaning.
Proving that is going to be very hard. Good luck to him on that. I bet that he cannot prove that and he will just be out the money.

notorious 07-27-2013 11:10 AM

If I received a contract that large, the pages would be stuck together from signing it in Fap juice.

LoneWolf 07-27-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9837755)
If a lawyer stops serving you because it no longer fits his best interests, then he is a shitty lawyer. This is a service industry. Especially in the agency world where your reputation means everything, I'd want to think this agent would be smart enough to not let something like this slip past him, especially since he's the most well-versed on the specifics of the contract.

And again, the agent screwed himself because he now doesn't earn commission on that $2M. All he had to do was pick up the phone. You want to blame the player (who is, from reports, actually doing his own workouts) but not the agent who only had to pick up the phone and call.

Why are you so eager to accept the word of the player who just gave up 2 million dollars? Do you honestly think the agent never mentioned a 2 million dollar workout clause in this players contract?

It's not the agents responsibility to to make sure the player is following through with his obligations after the player has been told about the parameters of his contract. This is an employment contract and it is the employee's responsibility to know what is in his contract. You here all the time players say "it's a business". Well, dumbass, act like it's a business and take care of your side of the business.


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