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vailpass 08-24-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8847706)
Other than enjoying how much he pissed off the Frogs, I never gave a crap about Armstrong or cycling one way or another.

Nobody does. Once Lance got done hammering down the frenchies America went back to not knowing anything about it.

Graystoke 08-24-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8847667)
Link?



You mean a list of cyclists who DID get positives, were banned, denied it and then came clean? You consider those to be reliable witnesses?



Here is an interesting read from JV. Who did not get busted, banned or denied.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/op...pagewanted=all

Donger 08-24-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8847711)
Nobody does. Once Lance got done hammering down the frenchies America went back to not knowing anything about it.

Tejay van Garderen might end up being Lance 2.0

Chest Rockwell 08-24-2012 12:27 PM

Deadspin has a decent synopsis of it up now. The Inner Ring posted a very good article on it earlier today.

Obviously no one knows exactly what the evidence USADA claims they have is. A lot of what is thought to be the evidence is outlined in both those articles (they weren't technically failed tests, but they are samples consistent with doping). All of it will come out eventually as most of (if not all, I'm not sure, haven't been following EVERYONE involved in the conspiracy accusation) the rest implicated have already agreed to arbitration.

Obviously none of this is enough to make a judgement at this point. The rejection of arbitration, especially after a Texas judge ruled against him on it, throws fuel on the circumstantial/heresy fire. IMO, his biggest mistake in general was the association with Michele Ferrari...

Anyway, things will get much clearer once the other arbitration hearings start. Especially if those "10 plus" witnesses turn out to be who they're rumored to be.

Graystoke 08-24-2012 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8847714)
Tejay van Garderen might end up being Lance 2.0

I have high hopes for that kid. Imagine if he wasn't saddled with Cadel this last Tour!

I however don't wish him to be Lance 2.0. Why insult the kid.

Donger 08-24-2012 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Graystoke (Post 8847712)
Here is an interesting read from JV. Who did not get busted, banned or denied.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/op...pagewanted=all

Is he among those riders who claim to have seen Armstrong dope?

vailpass 08-24-2012 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8847714)
Tejay van Garderen might end up being Lance 2.0

Is he American?

Chest Rockwell 08-24-2012 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8847714)
Tejay van Garderen might end up being Lance 2.0

There are a few young US riders who are showing promise.

I've never been a Lance fan, but this is one thing I'm grateful to him for.

Chest Rockwell 08-24-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8847730)
Is he among those riders who claim to have seen Armstrong dope?

It's rumored that he's among the witnesses in the USADA case.

Donger 08-24-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Graystoke (Post 8847723)
I have high hopes for that kid. Imagine if he wasn't saddled with Cadel this last Tour!

I however don't wish him to be Lance 2.0. Why insult the kid.

Yeah, I think he could have pulled it off.

Donger 08-24-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8847731)
Is he American?

Yes.

Donger 08-24-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chest Rockwell (Post 8847735)
It's rumored that he's among the witnesses in the USADA case.

I love rumors. Vaughters was never Lance's teammate, right?

Chest Rockwell 08-24-2012 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8847742)
I love rumors. Vaughters was never Lance's teammate, right?

98-99 on US Postal.

vailpass 08-24-2012 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8847739)
Yes.

Alright then. Thanks for the heads-up. I'm rooting for van Garderen to ruffle the panties of the Frogs one day.

Graystoke 08-24-2012 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8847730)
Is he among those riders who claim to have seen Armstrong dope?

Most likely.

Others thought to include,

George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer
Christian Vande Velde
David Zabriskie
Floyd Landis
Tyler Hamilton


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