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Mr. Laz 12-01-2004 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Lzen
Green should be given a little slack here. Sure, he did throw the pick against SD. That was a forced throw, no doubt. But in other games, he was sacked by a 3 man rush. Tell me, how the fark do 3 guys beat 5 guys? That isn't supposed to happen. And in some of those, Trent had very little time.
i know... but he's still had the ball in his hands at the end of a game with plenty of time to win the game.



we are talking bottomline here


(btw - i hate the play we called in several of those situations. we send all the receivers out in short buttonhook pass patterns. if a DB doesnt slip or play way off we are screwed with very few options. seems to me we ran the same stinking play on 4th down both times)

ChiefsCountry 12-01-2004 11:36 AM
Grbac and Green have 5 main things in common - They played in the Big 10, both drafted in 1993 8th Round, both were career backups, both were starting quarterbacks for Chiefs, and both played for teams with San in it. Green might not be as talented but he makes up for with smarts, leadership, and taking one for the team. Like that block against Buffalo last year. That is something Grbac never would do.

Grbac = ( v )

htismaqe 12-01-2004 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
I'll take 'mediocre' over embarassing and aspiring to mediocrity any day.
This team has NEVER been as embarassing as the team that took the field against the Broncos in 1998. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Clint in Wichita 12-01-2004 12:13 PM
It may have (should have) been posted already, but one huge difference between Grbitch and Green was this:


When Grbac was on the sidelines, he was able to watch a fairly effective defense perform.

When Green is on the sidelines, he gets to watch a bunch of little girl mongoloids with A.D.D. perform.

Eleazar 12-01-2004 12:47 PM
Gannon couldn't hold Green's jock

Rausch 12-01-2004 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
We did, his name is Mike Maslowski. Lots of heart, lots of character, making the most of his abilities, never been in an important game.
A good QB has the "intangables."

I don't think any other position allows a lack of talent to be overcome like QB. Montana, and now Brady, don't do anything flashy, they just win. Of course, you have to remember they both had more than ample support from the rest of their team, but they just get it done.

One of Deberg's intangables was toughness. He'd get his $#it RUINED and slowly climb back up and go on. Or playing with that broken wee-finger in a bloody cast. It rubbed off.

I think last year Green's toughness rubbed off. But now we're in a funk, a team funk, and that has permiated everything. The funk has rubbed off on damned near everyone. It's going to take a big infusion to change that. New players, a few new coaches, and a good draft. People who weren't infected by the funk of this year.

It took me a long time to warm up to Green and DV but they've proven themselves to me.

KCWolfman 12-01-2004 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI
ah, I remember this from our delightful Grbackup v. Gannon discussions...

what you are forgetting is that guts and grit are NOT merely 'intangibles' as they are visable physically. Describing a guy as having guts when he's scrambling to avoid a sack after suffering a near career ending knee injury is not merely window dressing verbiage, it's REAL and visable and tangible. It takes some serious stones to put yourself on the line knowing your career, indeed your ability to walk normally, may be impacted if re-injured.

Same with grit. He apparently took a helluva hit on Sunday but dragged his aching arse off the ground and stood in to take another. I imagine he'll be in on Sunday as well.

At one point didn't Grbackup sit because his manicure got chipped??? j/k but he was much more fraile and fragile than Green. No one would have described him as having guts or grit...except maybe the deer he'd take shots at.
And the difference between manicure and guts has equalled what? That someone feels good about one QB and not the other? Who cares? Honestly, the People Magazine crowd may be interested, I am not as I only care about the team winning - not how gutsy they are.

KCWolfman 12-01-2004 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI
BL,

you haven't answered my question.

What, SPECIFICALLY, has King Carl done to HELP Green succeed. What has DV done? And would you not agree that DV is a puzz for bringing the guy here only to back down to Carl and NOT get him what he needs?
Holmes, Gonzalez, and Richardson as well as the Oline are not assets?

KCWolfman 12-01-2004 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita
It may have (should have) been posted already, but one huge difference between Grbitch and Green was this:


When Grbac was on the sidelines, he was able to watch a fairly effective defense perform.

When Green is on the sidelines, he gets to watch a bunch of little girl mongoloids with A.D.D. perform.
And when Grbac was in the game he didn't have Priest Holmes

Valiant 12-01-2004 01:43 PM
Actually if anything Grbac more resembles plummer...

Wile_E_Coyote 12-01-2004 02:39 PM
how is this season more embarrassing than picking up the KC Star & reading about drug deals & stolen cars, picking up undercover cops as hookers, ramming into your wife's SUV with your child inside it, Monday Night Football meltdowns or bouncing bad checks & child support going unpaid on a multi-million dollar salary? Those are the ones I can remember

KCWolfman 12-01-2004 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote
how is this season more embarrassing than picking up the KC Star & reading about drug deals & stolen cars, picking up undercover cops as hookers, ramming into your wife's SUV with your child inside it, Monday Night Football meltdowns or bouncing bad checks & child support going unpaid on a multi-million dollar salary? Those are the ones I can remember
Of which Grbac was not a part of in the least.

I agree, social miscreants are a detriment to the team I want, including a winning team. However, Grbac was guilty of nothing more than being a human being with poor character with bad socialization skills. Character I really don't give a fig about one way or the other.

Rausch 12-01-2004 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by KCWolfman
Of which Grbac was not a part of in the least.

I agree, social miscreants are a detriment to the team I want, including a winning team. However, Grbac was guilty of nothing more than being a human being with poor character with bad socialization skills. Character I really don't give a fig about one way or the other.
He was also unable to put together any 4th quarter QB skills...I can remember the Raiders MNF game, but that's about it...

KCWolfman 12-01-2004 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rausch
He was also unable to put together any 4th quarter QB skills...I can remember the Raiders MNF game, but that's about it...
We have lost half a dozen games in the 4th quarter this year alone. Grbac is not the QB now.

Wile_E_Coyote 12-01-2004 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KCWolfman
Of which Grbac was not a part of in the least.

I agree, social miscreants are a detriment to the team I want, including a winning team. However, Grbac was guilty of nothing more than being a human being with poor character with bad socialization skills. Character I really don't give a fig about one way or the other.
I was responding to baby Lee saying he was embarrassed of this years team. Losing isn't good, around worst D for three years running is bad, but trying to replace the Raiders as the all thug team is beyond embarrassing


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