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Extra Point 01-21-2009 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan (Post 5412559)
to Gun's defense, I'm sure it would be annoying to work for a couple of Morons, but it was his job and he didn't do it.

This.

Frazod 01-21-2009 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 5413154)
I feel bad for the Lions' fans.

I do, too. It's like going from Gomer Pyle to Goober Pyle.

Spicy McHaggis 01-21-2009 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5412738)
But I also saw how well Ron Rivera adapted to the cover two for the Bears, after working for Jim Johnson in Philly, and how he got improved results from the Charger defense after replacing Ted Cottrell mid season in San Diego.

This is the best thing I've read today. Well put sir. Also, since Rivera has left, "cover 2" has become a dirty phrase in Chicago.

CrazyPhuD 01-21-2009 07:34 PM

GUN for HC!!!!! ROFL

chiefzilla1501 01-21-2009 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 5412809)
JA didn't want to be in KC. Why is that so hard for some to understand? He didn't like it here. Period. He played his card and the Chiefs then played theirs. Get over it.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Jared Allen left because of money and because of an abrasive GM who was making insulting offers and even stooped to the point of calling Allen an "at risk" player in a public press conference to lower Allen's stock.

I don't know why people act like Allen didn't want to be in KC. If anything, he had too much fun in Kansas City (as we all know). He was great to his teammates, great to his fans, and he even opened a restaurant there.

Plain and simple: if Allen got offered a good contract, he would have stayed in Kansas City.

chiefzilla1501 01-21-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5412817)
Gunther Cunningham is a disgrace. He ran HIS defense in 2004 upon his return, and it was a complete disaster. Far worse than Robinson's 2003 unit. The next year, I do think Vermeil took away some of his power, because it was more of a basic defense in 2005, and not quite as bad.

Anytime one of Gunther's defense sucks, it's always someone else's fault.

So far he has blamed:
1) Being in the booth instead of the sidelines
2) Not having the right players (in 2004)
3) Being restrained by an offensive coach who scored too many points too quick
4) Not having his assistant coaches
5) His crappy LBs coach (nevermind that Gun was much worse than Blackmon)
6) Herm Edwards' zone defense
7) Not having veteran free agent leadership.
Never once have I ever heard Gun say that he failed in any way whatsoever. Does he ever bring up his ridiculous wish list in 2005? No. Does he mention that his LBs got WORSE under his watch in 2008 when he fired Blackmon to directly coach LBs? No. Does he mention that he blitzed plenty of times the last few years and still failed to get pressure? No.

Chan Gailey walked into KC with the worst ranked offense in the NFL. He created a new offense out of thin air to match his players' strengths. While Gailey was not perfect, he at least got solid production out of a crappy situation. Gailey doesn't make excuses. Gailey exposed Gun for the fraud that he is.

TimeForWasp 01-21-2009 10:16 PM

I agree with this
 
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5412755)
The reality is that Gunther is a team guy, a loyal guy. He is now free to answer things honestly.

It would be hard to sell the players on Herm's defense if he is publicly bashing it.

Herm and Gunther like each other, they just have different opinions. The defense was a little bit of both of their styles and in the end, it had no identity and it failed.

plus you are all throwing Gun under the bus. We Know gun. We know what kind of a defense He can run. Herm came in and totally ruined this team. He took the no 1 offence and made it a piece of shit . Saying we scored too fast ( WTF) said the defense gets tired. I don't get it. If there is one coach in this bunch that we all should know , it's Gun. Don't shit on Gun. Jerks

whoman69 01-21-2009 10:26 PM

Gunther is the type of coach that when things are running on all cylinders, his teams are very tough. But when the wheels start coming off he has no idea what to do. I think a coach needs to know what his limits are. He had no idea how to run the Tampa 2 and should have said so. The coach will either fire you or tell you to run what's comfortable. Gunther in this scheme was like Martz in SF.

chiefzilla1501 01-21-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 5414272)
Gunther is the type of coach that when things are running on all cylinders, his teams are very tough. But when the wheels start coming off he has no idea what to do. I think a coach needs to know what his limits are. He had no idea how to run the Tampa 2 and should have said so. The coach will either fire you or tell you to run what's comfortable. Gunther in this scheme was like Martz in SF.

I have seen nothing from Gunther that indicates that he knows how to coach a defense without Marty Schottenheimer looking over his shoulder.

I'm sorry, but in the two years he coached under Vermeil, we saw what he was capable of. His blitzes were predictable, his players were poorly coached on fundamentals and kept missing tackles, he had his corners playing 10-15 yards off the ball on almost every play for lord knows what reason. And in his 5 years, he has not developed young players like Derrick Johnson.

Gunther piggybacked off Marty. How do I know this? Because Marty Schottenheimer's defenses have been awesome everywhere he has gone.

tk13 01-21-2009 11:37 PM

It's a fitting end to Gunther's reign here. He presided with an offensive head coach, defensive head coach, was allowed to blitz all day, then played back in Cover 2. Pretty much covered every extreme, young players, veteran FA's that he wanted.... under two head coaches who've had a lot more success when he wasn't calling the defense.

And it was never his fault. And instead of working with his head coach to try and make something work like Gailey did, he just came up with a bunch of excuses.

blueballs 01-21-2009 11:42 PM

I have doubts Pioli would be GM
if Jared Allen's contract was on the books

EyePod 01-22-2009 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5413176)
ROFL

Good, I was worried that people would take that statement seriously....

EyePod 01-22-2009 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5414513)
It's a fitting end to Gunther's reign here. He presided with an offensive head coach, defensive head coach, was allowed to blitz all day, then played back in Cover 2. Pretty much covered every extreme, young players, veteran FA's that he wanted.... under two head coaches who've had a lot more success when he wasn't calling the defense.

And it was never his fault. And instead of working with his head coach to try and make something work like Gailey did, he just came up with a bunch of excuses.

That's what we're used to with him, so I'm not surprised.

FringeNC 01-22-2009 07:50 AM

Gun must bring something to the table or Schwartz wouldn't have hired him. I'm guessing that Schwartz is going to effectively be DC in Detroit, and Gun is going to be the bad cop. It's quite obvious that Gun can't coordinate a defense himself.

Gun does deserve our thanks, though. It was him more than anyone this year who contributed to the gutting of 1 Arrowhead. Gailey almost singlehandedly prevented it.

BigRedChief 01-22-2009 07:59 AM

uhhh how can you say you were loyal but throw the coach under the bus at the same time?


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