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Bowser 04-12-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6669377)
Derrick Johnson does not have the size nor block shedding ability to beat a OT on a pass rush.

The Chiefs frankly still don't have personnel for this scheme.

If you're talking about trying to bullrush a tackle, then yes, I agree.

Mecca 04-12-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6669397)
Because of the bone headed decisions made by the coach.

That guy is still the coach....

This team lacks personnel and Derrick Johnson is not suited to play OLB in the scheme either.

Saccopoo 04-12-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 6669076)
Wow. You'd take Okung over Berry? And you wonder why so many people around here give you shit for being a ****ing moron...think before you type...
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Okay...

I'm sure that most people in the league who value a franchise left tackle over a franchise safety are morons. Idiots. Nincompoops.

It's why guys like you should be in charge of football teams at the pro level. So you can draft a safety over a left tackle, be happy about it, and wonder why your quarterbacks are getting hospitalized on a weekly basis and you have no running game.

Do you really think that anyone who is in the decision making process at the NFL level is, if faced with choosing between what is hands down the best left tackle in a draft or the best safety in the draft with the needs of each position being relatively equal, going to take the safety over the left tackle? If so, you are the one who is truly a moron.

notorious 04-12-2010 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6669406)
Okay...

I'm sure that most people in the league who value a franchise left tackle over a franchise safety are morons. Idiots. Nincompoops.

It's why guys like you should be in charge of football teams at the pro level. So you can draft a safety over a left tackle, be happy about it, and wonder why your quarterbacks are getting hospitalized on a weekly basis and you have no running game.

Do you really think that anyone who is in the decision making process at the NFL level is, if faced with choosing between what is hands down the best left tackle in a draft or the best safety in the draft with the needs of each position being relatively equal, going to take the safety over the left tackle? If so, you are the one who is truly a moron.

That's why you pick a QB instead ...:)

RedThat 04-12-2010 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6669403)
That guy is still the coach....

This team lacks personnel and Derrick Johnson is not suited to play OLB in the scheme either.

Yeah but I disagree w/ Haley DJ is still better than D. Williams and Corey Mays, it sucks to see this team sit him on the bench for most of the season not play the better player and not taking advantage of his talents.

Mecca 04-12-2010 09:38 PM

You're valuing position over player...

What if Russell Okung is a solid starter that never makes a pro bowl while Berry is Reed. An ok OT is not better than a perennial pro bowler.

aturnis 04-12-2010 09:39 PM

The Patriots made moves for Randy Moss and Corey Dillon. What's your point? I don't think it's necessarily all about being a great guy. Vrabel is the worlds biggest asshole. Who cares. I don't think their against slight diva's and assholes, just don't want idiots. If you play in the NFL and make tons of cash, and have no other way of making said cash, yet proceed to do illegal drugs during the season or times of drug testing you're just an idiot. Also guys who are locker room cancers, Smith had his fallout in Cleveland, under Crennel, if Crennel is cool with it, I'm sure it was addressed and agreed an non issue. Maybe Quinn had it coming? :shrug:

Bowser 04-12-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6669403)
That guy is still the coach....

This team lacks personnel and Derrick Johnson is not suited to play OLB in the scheme either.

Maybe he's not the prototypical OLB in a 3-4, but he'd be better used on the outside. Let him use his speed to chase down runningbacks and get to the passer rather than trying to cover short zones and tight ends. I am under no illusions that DJ at OLB is the answer for this defense, but come on. Why would you keep him inside and Vrabel outside at this point?

Mecca 04-12-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6669409)
Yeah he is still better than D. Williams and Corey Mays, it sucks to see this team sit him on the bench for most of the season not play the better player and not taking advantage of his talents.

And now we've come to the realization of why this team has a problem moving forward, the best player doesn't always play. the coach plays favorites etc etc.

notorious 04-12-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6669414)
The Patriots made moves for Randy Moss and Corey Dillon. What's your point? I don't think it's necessarily all about being a great guy. Vrabel is the worlds biggest asshole. Who cares. I don't think their against slight diva's and assholes, just don't want idiots. If you play in the NFL and make tons of cash, and have no other way of making said cash, yet proceed to do illegal drugs during the season or times of drug testing you're just an idiot. Also guys who are locker room cancers, Smith had his fallout in Cleveland, under Crennel, if Crennel is cool with it, I'm sure it was addressed and agreed an non issue. Maybe Quinn had it coming? :shrug:

I have to ask:


Where the **** did this come from? ROFL

Mecca 04-12-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 6669415)
Maybe he's not the prototypical OLB in a 3-4, but he'd be better used on the outside. Let him use his speed to chase down runningbacks and get to the passer rather than trying to cover short zones and tight ends. I am under no illusions that DJ at OLB is the answer for this defense, but come on. Why would you keep him inside and Vrabel outside at this point?

I don't know why either one is even still here, Vrabel is done and Johnson doesn't fit the defense.

notorious 04-12-2010 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 6669415)
Maybe he's not the prototypical OLB in a 3-4, but he'd be better used on the outside. Let him use his speed to chase down runningbacks and get to the passer rather than trying to cover short zones and tight ends. I am under no illusions that DJ at OLB is the answer for this defense, but come on. Why would you keep him inside and Vrabel outside at this point?

DJ has always played better in space. Get him away from the blockers and allow him to use his speed to make plays.


Instead, we try to jam a square peg into a round hole.

Bowser 04-12-2010 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6669406)
Okay...

I'm sure that most people in the league who value a franchise left tackle over a franchise safety are morons. Idiots. Nincompoops.

It's why guys like you should be in charge of football teams at the pro level. So you can draft a safety over a left tackle, be happy about it, and wonder why your quarterbacks are getting hospitalized on a weekly basis and you have no running game.

Do you really think that anyone who is in the decision making process at the NFL level is, if faced with choosing between what is hands down the best left tackle in a draft or the best safety in the draft with the needs of each position being relatively equal, going to take the safety over the left tackle? If so, you are the one who is truly a moron.

The problem with your post is this - we already have a left tackle. Not only is left tackle NOT a need for this team, but you're suggesting that we put a rookie at left tackle this season, and move our existing left tackle to a new position. We would be truly ****ed if that were to happen.

Mecca 04-12-2010 09:43 PM

Derrick Johnson really isn't suited to play any position in a 3-4, he doesn't want to deal with blockers and basically every LB in that scheme has to, it's why they're all bigger.

notorious 04-12-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 6669425)
The problem with your post is this - we already have a left tackle. Not only is left tackle NOT a need for this team, but you're suggesting that we put a rookie at left tackle this season, and move our existing left tackle to a new position. We would be truly ****ed if that were to happen.

This. Plenty of championships have been won with an average LT. Plenty of championships have been won with average safeties.


Guess what position demands more than an average player?


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