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SAUTO 06-22-2010 04:39 PM
funny people talk about fedor ducking the best.


who has brock beaten?

no one. IMO
a washed up coture.

look up the list of guys who fedor has beaten. THAT speaks for itself

RNR 06-22-2010 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6836896)
It definitely sells, there's no doubt about that. As you noted, a lot of people will buy just to see if Lesnar gets crushed. I'm one of them. I wanted to see him get smashed into oblivion and I find it hard to fathom how anyone could root for the guy. I could understand how back in the day the black community could get behind Ali. But Lesnar isn't a minority with racial tensions in the air. He's just an asshole. And I can't wait to watch Carwin cave his face in.
Ask Fraizer about how the black community feels about Ali. He ****ed over one of the few who reached out to help him. He painted Joe as a uncle Tom when nothing was farther the truth. People can buy the myth of Ali all they want. He was an asshole plain and simple. As far as the fight I am rooting for a good one nothing more~

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836901)
funny people talk about fedor ducking the best.


who has brock beaten?

no one. IMO
a washed up coture.

look up the list of guys who fedor has beaten. THAT speaks for itself
Because he just keeps fighting UFC rejects and nobodies. ROFL at Brett Rogers.

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6836922)
Because he just keeps fighting UFC rejects and nobodies. ROFL at Brett Rogers.
i'm beginning to think guardian is right. you have NO clue. look up the list, google it, i couldnt copy and paste it for some reason. and THEN look at the dates he beat those guys.


all i have to say is IMPRESSIVE

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:01 PM
Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania - Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings - World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings - World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings - World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings - 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings - World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings - Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings - Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Win Martin Lazarov Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 5/21/2000 1 2:24


here you go

RNR 06-22-2010 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836944)
i'm beginning to think guardian is right. you have NO clue. look up the list, google it, i couldnt copy and paste it for some reason. and THEN look at the dates he beat those guys.


all i have to say is IMPRESSIVE
It would be cool to see him and the winner of this fight hook up~

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:04 PM
here's brock's for reference

United States Shane Carwin UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 02010-07-03 July 3, 2010 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 4–1 United States Frank Mir TKO (Punches) UFC 100 02009-07-11 July 11, 2009 2 1:48 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 3–1 United States Randy Couture TKO (Strikes) UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar 02008-11-15 November 15, 2008 2 3:07 United States Las Vegas, Nevada Won UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 2–1 United States Heath Herring Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87: Seek and Destroy 02008-08-09 August 9, 2008 3 5:00 United States Minneapolis, Minnesota
Loss 1–1 United States Frank Mir Submission (Kneebar) UFC 81: Breaking Point 02008-02-02 February 2, 2008 1 1:30 United States Las Vegas, Nevada UFC Debut
Win 1–0 South Korea Min-Soo Kim Submission (Strikes) Dynamite!! USA 02007-06-02 June 2, 2007 1 1:09 United States Los Angeles, California MMA Debut.

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 6836952)
It would be cool to see him and the winner of this fight hook up~
i agree wholeheartedly

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:05 PM
and carwin's just for shits and giggles

United States Brock Lesnar UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 02010-07-03 July 3, 2010 United States Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Win 12–0 United States Frank Mir KO (Punches) UFC 111: St-Pierre vs. Hardy 02010-03-27 March 27, 2010 1 3:48 United States Newark, New Jersey, US Won UFC Interim Heavyweight Championship, Knockout of the Night.
Win 11–0 Brazil Gabriel Gonzaga KO (Punch) UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine 02009-03-07 March 7, 2009 1 1:09 United States Columbus, Ohio, US
Win 10–0 England Neil Wain TKO (Punches) UFC 89: Bisping vs. Leben 02008-10-18 October 18, 2008 1 1:31 England Birmingham, England
Win 9–0 Hungary Christian Wellisch KO (Punch) UFC 84: Ill Will 02008-05-24 May 24, 2008 1 0:44 United States Las Vegas, Nevada, US UFC Debut
Win 8–0 United States Sherman Pendergarst TKO (Punch) ROF 31 – Undisputed 02007-12-01 December 1, 2007 1 1:41 United States Broomfield, Colorado, US Won Ring of Fire Heavyweight Championship
Win 7–0 United States Rex Richards Submission (Guillotine Choke) AOW – Art of War 4 02007-10-27 October 27, 2007 1 1:24 United States Tunica, Mississippi, US
Win 6–0 United States Rick Slaton TKO (Punch) ROF 30 – Domination 02007-09-15 September 15, 2007 1 0:49 United States Broomfield, Colorado, US
Win 5–0 United States Chris Guillen Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UTS 6 – Ultimate Texas Showdown 6 02006-06-24 June 24, 2006 1 0:29 United States Frisco, Texas, US
Win 4–0 United States Justice Smith TKO (Punches) Extreme Wars 3 – Bay Area Brawl 02006-06-03 June 3, 2006 1 0:31 United States Oakland, California, US
Win 3–0 United States Jay McCown Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UTS 5 – Ultimate Texas Showdown 5 02006-04-29 April 29, 2006 1 1:31 United States Texas, US
Win 2–0 United States Casey Jackson Submission(Guillotine Choke) Extreme Wars 2 – X-1 02006-03-18 March 18, 2006 1 0:22 United States Honolulu, Hawaii, US
Win 1–0 United States Carlton Jones Submission (Punches) WEC 17 – Halloween Fury 4 02005-10-14 October 14, 2005 1 2:11 United States Lemoore, California, US

CoMoChief 06-22-2010 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836901)
funny people talk about fedor ducking the best.


who has brock beaten?

no one. IMO
a washed up coture.

look up the list of guys who fedor has beaten. THAT speaks for itself
All the UFC guys he's fought have been way past their prime.

The problem is that until just about a year ago, the HW division in MMA was absolute garbage. Now it's getting better, and is the strongest its ever been.

Shit even Fedor is trying to duck from fighting Oversteem because of Roid issues? Even though he tested clean? The entire Fedor camp is a ****ing joke. Until he fights in the UFC, his legacy will continue to deminish IMO. That's where the good guys fight, and when they're no longer good, they no longer fight in the UFC.

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836951)
Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48 Joke
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14 UFC Reject
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36 UFC Reject
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54 Who
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58 Average
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16 Joke
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15 41 year old
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania - Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings - World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings - World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings - World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings - 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings - World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings - Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings - Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Win Martin Lazarov Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 5/21/2000 1 2:24


here you go
This is fun, he is a good fighter possibly great but we probably will never know because he won't fight the best of the best.

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836956)
here's brock's for reference

United States Shane Carwin UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 02010-07-03 July 3, 2010 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 4–1 United States Frank Mir TKO (Punches) UFC 100 02009-07-11 July 11, 2009 2 1:48 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 3–1 United States Randy Couture TKO (Strikes) UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar 02008-11-15 November 15, 2008 2 3:07 United States Las Vegas, Nevada Won UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 2–1 United States Heath Herring Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87: Seek and Destroy 02008-08-09 August 9, 2008 3 5:00 United States Minneapolis, Minnesota
Loss 1–1 United States Frank Mir Submission (Kneebar) UFC 81: Breaking Point 02008-02-02 February 2, 2008 1 1:30 United States Las Vegas, Nevada UFC Debut
Win 1–0 South Korea Min-Soo Kim Submission (Strikes) Dynamite!! USA 02007-06-02 June 2, 2007 1 1:09 United States Los Angeles, California MMA Debut.
Never did I say Brock was better. I am just saying that Fedor's status is tainted.

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6836974)
Never did I say Brock was better. I am just saying that Fedor's status is tainted.
again look at the guys he's beaten and when he beat them

big nog 3 times in the day
cro cop
herring(when he was good)
goodridge
mark hunt
it's a GREAT list

i cant help the fact that you didnt see any of his fights. look them up sometime, if you arent impressed then i dont know what else to say

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6836968)
All the UFC guys he's fought have been way past their prime.

The problem is that until just about a year ago, the HW division in MMA was absolute garbage. Now it's getting better, and is the strongest its ever been.

Shit even Fedor is trying to duck from fighting Oversteem because of Roid issues? Even though he tested clean? The entire Fedor camp is a ****ing joke. Until he fights in the UFC, his legacy will continue to deminish IMO. That's where the good guys fight, and when they're no longer good, they no longer fight in the UFC.

again look up some of his pride fights, sorry you didnt know about the OTHER organization, but now you do so your ignorance on the subject will be your fault and yours alone from now on

RNR 06-22-2010 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836992)
again look at the guys he's beaten and when he beat them

big nog 3 times in the day
cro cop
herring(when he was good)
goodridge
mark hunt
it's a GREAT list

i cant help the fact that you didnt see any of his fights. look them up sometime, if you arent impressed then i dont know what else to say
This is the thing that bothers me...not the debate you guys are in. One of the things that hurt boxing was the seperation of fighters. The WBA,WBO,IBF and a list of others that had their own list of contenders and avoided allowing the two best to get in the ring. Sure it happened from time to time but the promoters figured out having multible champions equaled more paydays. Their greed hampered the sport along with several other factors that do not need to be talked about in this thread. I hate to think the same will happen to MMA, but it is likely it will. There is way too much money to be made in this growing sport. People have made untold richies off men sheding blood in a ring.


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