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OnTheWarpath15 12-19-2010 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7273363)
Cassel isn't Brady and Haley isn't BB. I am not naive enough to think otherwise. We need more talent. 99% of teams do.

Dumb correlation.
Welp, that was easy.

One guy is a franchise QB that won a SB with very little around him

The other is a guy that everyone says needs more around him.



And for what it's worth, I was impressed with his toughness and leadership today. I'll be honest, he made some decisions and throws that had he been 100%, I'd be disappointed with. But considering his condition, he got the job done today.

But I didn't see anything that changes my mind about him being capable of winning a SB. Not sure why today is the day people should be eating crow.

Good win, time to get two more and get this young roster some playoff experience.

Marcellus 12-19-2010 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7273378)
I have zero clue why someone thinks this team couldn't win a playoff game.

Have you seen some of the shit these other teams do from week to week?
Dude we all watch every game in sports bars every week and know what every team is doing. Wake up.

OnTheWarpath15 12-19-2010 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7273380)
The Patriots were a complete team. That defense with Seymour, McGinest, Bruschi, Vrabel, Milloy, Hamilton, Phifer, and Law?
We weren't talking about the defense, now were we?

We were talking about the talent (or lack of) on the offense.

Bugeater 12-19-2010 04:25 PM
Sorry if I'm not jumping for joy because the guy is finally doing what he's paid to do.

Hootie 12-19-2010 04:25 PM
Cassel is every bit as good this year as Tom Brady was the year the Pats won their first Super Bowl..

that much is fact

Frankie 12-19-2010 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7273157)
Nope. Not gonna believe until he bounces one off the jumbotron for a TD completion.
Only one bounce?.... Nah! It has to ricochet off of at least three obstacles before I'm sold.

Frankie 12-19-2010 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 7273165)
It would be nice to seem him with a group of good WR's and a little better line.
That day will come.

Marcellus 12-19-2010 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7273382)
Welp, that was easy.

One guy is a franchise QB that won a SB with very little around him

The other is a guy that everyone says needs more around him.



And for what it's worth, I was impressed with his toughness and leadership today. I'll be honest, he made some decisions and throws that had he been 100%, I'd be disappointed with. But considering his condition, he got the job done today.

But I didn't see anything that changes my mind about him being capable of winning a SB. Not sure why today is the day people should be eating crow.

Good win, time to get two more and get this young roster some playoff experience.
So if Cassel isn't Brady, one of the top 10 QB's of all time he is a failure? That's what you are basically saying.

Ok.

dirk digler 12-19-2010 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7273378)
I have zero clue why someone thinks this team couldn't win a playoff game.

Have you seen some of the shit these other teams do from week to week?
If it is at home sure they have a chance.

chiefzilla1501 12-19-2010 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7273375)
Winning one playoff game this year, can be done. Ravens or Jets would be our opponent more than likely. Both of them have QB's that are the same as Cassel. I'm not expecting a deep run at all. But one win or Cassel proving he is up to the challenge would be nice to see.

The QB I want us to draft is Nathan Enderle from Idaho in the 3rd or 4th.
I don't disagree with you here. I want to see something out of him too. But regardless of how well he plays, we're underdogs. Those teams can run the ball better than us and have a shitload more talent than us on defense. Not to mention that they have legit, consistent weapons in the passing game.

For us to win in the playoffs, more than likely Cassel is going to have to overcome the rest of our team being very outmatched. I definitely think the Chiefs can potentially win a first playoff game. But it's a lot to ask and he's going to need some help.

|Zach| 12-19-2010 04:29 PM
I don't really think that some on here are that far off when they evaluate the Chiefs. But some people really seem to miss the boat when they talk about how good the Chiefs are compared to other NFL teams. Its like other teams get a pass for all the stupid shit they do but if Matty C doesn't put up Madden numbers he is getting there but not quite proven he has "it" and even when he does some other bullshit excuse is made for moving the goal posts.

milkman 12-19-2010 04:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7273382)
Welp, that was easy.

One guy is a franchise QB that won a SB with very little around him

The other is a guy that everyone says needs more around him.



And for what it's worth, I was impressed with his toughness and leadership today. I'll be honest, he made some decisions and throws that had he been 100%, I'd be disappointed with. But considering his condition, he got the job done today.

But I didn't see anything that changes my mind about him being capable of winning a SB. Not sure why today is the day people should be eating crow.

Good win, time to get two more and get this young roster some playoff experience.
I've been coming around because I've seen progress from Cassel in his last three starts (including today) that I never thought I would see.

He''s growing into an NFL QB.

He's showing much improved pocket presense, much improved mechanics, and making actual reads an good audibles.

OnTheWarpath15 12-19-2010 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7273395)
So if Cassel isn't Brady, one of the top 10 QB's of all time he is a failure? That's what you are basically saying.

Ok.
Uh, no. Quit putting words into my mouth. Again.

Nowhere have I said failure.

Milkman said he needed more talent around him.

I pointed out that franchise QB's can get it done without it. They make everyone better.

At this point, he's a good game manager. Which I'll admit, is more than I thought he was capable of.

milkman 12-19-2010 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7273324)
Here's the thing.

We've watched as Cassel has grown before our very eyes this season, but even were he Peyton Manning, there just isn't enough talent on this team, on either side of the ball, to overcome our shortcomings against SB quality opponents, and that is no way should be a reflection on Cassel.

We saw how much Manning struggles, the guy some think is the best ever, without his full complement of talent around him.

The bottom line, QB is the most important position on the field, and we are seeing Cassel grow into the role of the leader of this team as the weeks go by, but it is still a team sport, hell, the ultimate team sport, and we just have too many deficiencies ot overcome to expect anyone to overcome them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7273385)
We weren't talking about the defense, now were we?

We were talking about the talent (or lack of) on the offense.
Actually path, your question was directed at the post above, and I said that there was a lack of talent, on bith sides of the ball.

OnTheWarpath15 12-19-2010 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7273407)
I've been coming around because I've seen progress from Cassel in his last three starts (including today) that I never thought I would see.

He''s growing into an NFL QB.

He's showing much improved pocket presense, much improved mechanics, and making actual reads an good audibles.
I agree.

He made some mind-numbing decisions/throws today, but I'm not going to crucify him for them. Dude's playing 11 days after having his appendix removed.

I respect the hell out of his toughness.

I'm just wondering why today is the day people should be eating crow.


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