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HemiEd 09-07-2011 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7884620)
this is the biggest twisted piece of crap ever

'good' is an extremely relative term

Houston is a good team but saying that winning against them is the same as winning against the Steelers is just plain stupid.

every year in the NFL there are 8 or so elite teams that will get their wins no matter what. There are also around 8 crappy teams that aren't going to make it regardless. The rest of the teams in the league have their win/loss record go up and down based on SOS.

So technically yes "good teams win no matter what" but only the elite type teams.

There is huge grey area around that statement.

The Chiefs are NOT elite yet so they can still be a better team than last year and have a worse record because of their SOS.
This! A thousand times this! This is what I was trying to say.

milkman 09-07-2011 11:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7884620)
this is the biggest twisted piece of crap ever

'good' is an extremely relative term

Houston is a good team but saying that winning against them is the same as winning against the Steelers is just plain stupid.

every year in the NFL there are 8 or so elite teams that will get their wins no matter what. There are also around 8 crappy teams that aren't going to make it regardless. The rest of the teams in the league have their win/loss record go up and down based on SOS.

So technically yes "good teams win no matter what" but only the elite type teams.

There is huge grey area around that statement.

The Chiefs are NOT elite yet so they can still be a better team than last year and have a worse record because of their SOS.
I think there's only 3 elite teams.

Green Bay, Pittsburg and New England.

Bewbies 09-07-2011 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7884594)
I think the talent on this roster is capable of competing with most of the teams in the league.

67% of games last season were decided by a touchdown or less.

That's one or two plays a game that decide the outcome.

This team's fortunes, as I've said numerous times, lies squarely on Cassel.

The plays he makes, or fails to make, could be the difference between 10-6 or 6-10.
Bingo.

Chief Faithful 09-07-2011 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7884336)
I agree with you for the most part, as mentioned in my first post in this thread. And I have said it many times before, including the first draft thread.

But that being said, to only hit on Mr. Irrelevant is below what almost anyone on this board would have done, by just reading the draftabulator posts.

I am sure Pioli cashed his paycheck that week, so he does need to take some of the responsibility IMO for that draft failure. It will always be part of his body of work.
Yeah, it was a bad draft, yet it was still better than many of the Peterson era drafts plus, 2009 has proven to be a bad draft for many teams. You are right, Pioli owns the 2009 draft, but I don't think it is a good representation of what we will see in the future. I believe the 2010 &11 drafts are a better representation. Under Pioli and the new scouting department they just seem to be more prepared and informed. Plus, they are not looking for the best talent they are looking for the right talent, which tells me they have a template. Scouting can me much easier when you know what you are looking to find.

Mr. Laz 09-07-2011 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7884631)
I think there's only 3 elite teams.

Green Bay, Pittsburg and New England.
fair enough ... but the concept still stands

Good =/= Elite

Elite teams get their wins no matter the schedule but everyone else is effected in various degrees by their SOS.

Chief Faithful 09-07-2011 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7884594)
I think the talent on this roster is capable of competing with most of the teams in the league.

67% of games last season were decided by a touchdown or less.

That's one or two plays a game that decide the outcome.

This team's fortunes, as I've said numerous times, lies squarely on Cassel.

The plays he makes, or fails to make, could be the difference between 10-6 or 6-10.
To me the ability of Cassel to make plays is only half the equation. I believe Haley when he says the team is not at the point where it can make mistakes and still win.

boogblaster 09-07-2011 11:54 AM
he's try'n ... hopefully he gets it done ....

Chiefnj2 09-07-2011 11:58 AM
People say the Packers are elite, yet they finished 10-6 and lost to teams like the Skins and Dolphins.

In your third year of a rebuild you should have turned a corner and you should be able to beat some playoff teams. If they can only beat sub .500 teams, then they haven't turned the corner and realistically aren't any better than the Herm Edward's Chiefs.

milkman 09-07-2011 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 7884660)
To me the ability of Cassel to make plays is only half the equation. I believe Haley when he says the team is not at the point where it can make mistakes and still win.
I think that's true for all but the elite teams.

And it's still true for them, just to a lesser extent.

Reerun_KC 09-07-2011 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7884603)
the only real difference is at QB....but we're not supposed to talk about that


point is, as milkman said, this season comes down to Cassel...if he's the superstar that reerun and that weirdo pats fan says he is, then we're fine...

Holy shit this day just gets better and better...

Now Cassel is superstar? Oh please please find the post where I have said this...

Otherwise your nothing more than a talking head like your boy Herm...

milkman 09-07-2011 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7884679)
People say the Packers are elite, yet they finished 10-6 and lost to teams like the Skins and Dolphins.

In your third year of a rebuild you should have turned a corner and you should be able to beat some playoff teams. If they can only beat sub .500 teams, then they haven't turned the corner and realistically aren't any better than the Herm Edward's Chiefs.
The Pack lost 16 players (I think) to injury at some point during last season.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-07-2011 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7884582)
The schedule was very soft last year, anyone that says different has their head buried in the sand.

Give me the NFC West every year please, 40% of the team's win total. They may not win a single game against the NFC this year, it would not surprise me.

So that right there could be the difference between 10-6 and 6-10.
and???? It sure the hell beats losing to those same shitty teams. If Oakland had swept the NFC West, they'd have been division champs, same goes for the Bolts. No game is a gimme in the NFL. I'm as much tired as the "tough schedule" BS as I am the "weak schedule" one. You play who your dealt and take care of business.

morphius 09-07-2011 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7884620)
this is the biggest twisted piece of crap ever

'good' is an extremely relative term

Houston is a good team but saying that winning against them is the same as winning against the Steelers is just plain stupid.

every year in the NFL there are 8 or so elite teams that will get their wins no matter what. There are also around 8 crappy teams that aren't going to make it regardless. The rest of the teams in the league have their win/loss record go up and down based on SOS.

So technically yes "good teams win no matter what" but only the elite type teams.

There is huge grey area around that statement.

The Chiefs are NOT elite yet so they can still be a better team than last year and have a worse record because of their SOS.
The way I look at it is as simple as we only have 2 games different than everyone else in the AFC West, that's it. If we beat the second place AFC West team twice that makes up for any disadvantage we have in the 2 possibly harder games.

the Talking Can 09-07-2011 12:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 7884689)
Holy shit this day just gets better and better...

Now Cassel is superstar? Oh please please find the post where I have said this...

Otherwise your nothing more than a talking head like your boy Herm...
you're the king butt hurt Cassel white knight....you own that


and the truth remains...the only difference between us and those "good" teams is QB...

if Brady played for us, and Cassel played for New England...we'd be the 'good' team...same for Rothelessburger...same for Green Bay...same for anyone

but thankfully, according to you, Cassel is awesome...so we're Golden

Chiefnj2 09-07-2011 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7884713)

and the truth remains...the only difference between us and those "good" teams is QB...
A better QB can cure everything. TJax will be a force against the run, WRs will get open, Richardson won't be a swinging gate, short yardage runs won't be stuffed, etc.


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