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Frosty 09-15-2011 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7911022)
Chiefs run a lot of screens

None of them very successfully.

It's tough to run a screen when no one respects your down field passing game and most of the defenders are near the line of scrimmage.

Chiefnj2 09-15-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7911022)
More proof that our pass blocking was quite good last week.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/9...he-o-line-tape

http://i53.tinypic.com/33m9x79.jpg

He gives Richardson 7 pressures and still scores him a 91 in pass blocking???

Hammock Parties 09-15-2011 02:36 PM

He probably has a loose definition of pressure. Doesn't mean Richardson was getting beaten.

tboss27 09-15-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7911022)
More proof that our pass blocking was quite good last week.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/9...he-o-line-tape

http://i53.tinypic.com/33m9x79.jpg

The problem is a pressure on Cassel might as well be a sack. Cassel has major issues with accuracy when pressure is around, while the pressure may not result in a loss of yards it seems to me it most often results in an incompletion. I'd be interested in knowing how many passes he completed on those 10 pressures.

Hammock Parties 09-15-2011 02:58 PM

PFF and that guy have a different idea of pressure, but on PFF's grading Cassel was 0-3 with 2 sacks under pressure.

BossChief 09-15-2011 03:00 PM

Id like to see his overall completion percentage while under pressure for all games he has started.

I bet its one of the worst in league history...at least recent history.

whoman69 09-15-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7909388)
It's pretty tough to give a QB a negative for a play on which he completes a pass.

If he completes it for negative yardage, dock him. If its a 3rd down situation and he throws short of the first down, dock him. If he checks down with a wide open receiver down the field, dock him. Its not that hard.

Hammock Parties 09-15-2011 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 7911325)
If he completes it for negative yardage, dock him. If its a 3rd down situation and he throws short of the first down, dock him. If he checks down with a wide open receiver down the field, dock him. Its not that hard.

That's being a little too biased, though.

You don't know if the play call was designed for him to throw it short, and you can't see the receivers down the field.

As far as negative yardage, you can't really penalize a QB for a screen getting blown up.

Hammock Parties 09-15-2011 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7911137)
Id like to see his overall completion percentage while under pressure for all games he has started.

I bet its one of the worst in league history...at least recent history.

Here is Cassel's under pressure split from last year.

http://i51.tinypic.com/wbzypt.jpg

As far as I can tell from looking at a few other QBs, that far of a drop isn't remarkable.

notorious 09-15-2011 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaid (Post 7909401)
Cassel plays like a kid who's been hit by his abusive dad for years. Someone cocks a fist and he goes into the fetal position.

He did play behind one of the worst O-Lines in NFL history his first year here.



After that kind of trama he would probably be scared shitless behind our 03-04 offensive line.

whoman69 09-15-2011 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7911336)
That's being a little too biased, though.

You don't know if the play call was designed for him to throw it short, and you can't see the receivers down the field.

As far as negative yardage, you can't really penalize a QB for a screen getting blown up.

If you're really studying the plays its not biased at all. If you check down to a receiver behind the line who has players in front of him, throw it away. If a play takes too long to develop part of that is on the QB. Check Down does not have the ability to go through his progressions. If his guy isn't open, he's going short.

whoman69 09-15-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 7911363)
He did play behind one of the worst O-Lines in NFL history his first year here.



After that kind of trama he would probably be scared shitless behind our 03-04 offensive line.

He caused a lot of his own problems by holding on to the ball way too long.

Hammock Parties 09-15-2011 04:43 PM

Here are the no pressure/under pressure differences for the starters last season. These are not organized, I just went down the list by overall rating.

Matt Ryan - 66.8 - 52.7
Peyton Manning - 69.9 - 54.5
Philip Rivers - 71.7 - 52.8
Aaron Rodgers - 71.4 - 49.3
Drew Brees - 72.0 - 55.7
Matt Schaub - 70.3 - 45.1
Michael Vick - 70.5 - 44.3
Ben Roethlisberger - 65.3 - 51.7
Josh Freeman - 67.1 - 50.9
Tom Brady - 70.1 - 53.2
Eli Manning - 70.0 - 44.7
Carson Palmer - 64.6 - 52.8
David Garrard - 70.9 - 50.4
Joe Flacco - 68.5 - 46.9
Shaun Hill - 66.6 - 47.6
Jay Cutler - 63.2 - 52.2
Chad Henne - 67.8 - 41.5
Matt Cassel - 64.3 - 43.4
Sam Bradford - 66.9 - 43.4
Jason Campbell - 63.0 - 50.9
Kyle Orton - 62.2 - 49.2
Mark Sanchez - 62.0 - 35.5
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 65.2 - 39.2
Matt Hasselbeck - 61.4 - 53.7
Colt McCoy - 66.1 - 41.7
Jon Kitna - 67.3 - 59.0
Kerry Collins - 62.7 - 45.9
Donovan McNabb - 67.5 - 41.8
Alex Smith - 67.8 - 41.5
Brett Favre - 66.3 - 47.3
Jimmy Clausen - 57.3 - 39.0

Pasta Little Brioni 09-15-2011 05:27 PM

Looks like Sanchez is the king of shitting his pants under pressure ;).

aturnis 09-15-2011 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7911409)
Here are the no pressure/under pressure differences for the starters last season. These are not organized, I just went down the list by overall rating.
Matt Ryan - 66.8 - 52.7
Peyton Manning - 69.9 - 54.5Philip Rivers - 71.7 - 52.8
Aaron Rodgers - 71.4 - 49.3
Drew Brees - 72.0 - 55.7
Matt Schaub - 70.3 - 45.1
Michael Vick - 70.5 - 44.3
Ben Roethlisberger - 65.3 - 51.7
Josh Freeman - 67.1 - 50.9
Tom Brady - 70.1 - 53.2
Eli Manning - 70.0 - 44.7
Carson Palmer - 64.6 - 52.8
David Garrard - 70.9 - 50.4
Joe Flacco - 68.5 - 46.9
Shaun Hill - 66.6 - 47.6
Jay Cutler - 63.2 - 52.2
Chad Henne - 67.8 - 41.5
Matt Cassel - 64.3 - 43.4
Sam Bradford - 66.9 - 43.4
Jason Campbell - 63.0 - 50.9
Kyle Orton - 62.2 - 49.2
Mark Sanchez - 62.0 - 35.5
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 65.2 - 39.2
Matt Hasselbeck - 61.4 - 53.7
Colt McCoy - 66.1 - 41.7
Jon Kitna - 67.3 - 59.0
Kerry Collins - 62.7 - 45.9
Donovan McNabb - 67.5 - 41.8
Alex Smith - 67.8 - 41.5
Brett Favre - 66.3 - 47.3
Jimmy Clausen - 57.3 - 39.0

Wow. This post just pissed me off! This says that there is almost no other QB in the league who is as bad as Ryan Fitzpatrick under pressure. The Chiefs decided not to go after him...


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