You're serious? You really think a trade up from #11 to #2 is going to be even CLOSE to the compensation required to go up from #4 to #1? Especially given the enormous dropoff in talent when the Rams move that far?

And can we please stop with all the ridiculous conjecture that teams with great picks are going to want to trade for a very expensive CB?

hmmmmmmm exciting over winning thats stupid

I agree with you and this is what I don't get. Some want a championship, but won't do what it takes to do it. Any thought of trading up gets shot down because it might be too expensive because we might "fail". Granted the way we have been doing it for 40+ years is safe, but has netted us 3 playoff wins. The Giants didn't think the cost for Eli was too high even though he might "fail". Funny enough they won more playoff games THIS YEAR than we have in over 40.

We need to do whatever it takes to trade up. WTF do we have to lose? We have 3 playoff wins in 40+ years. The Giants have more playoff wins this year than we have in 40+. They were not afraid to do what it took to get Eli even though he might bust.

We will have to trade a lot more than the Giants had to trade.

I don't think anybody has a problem offering the trade comp the Chargers sent to the Giants.

You would have to be INSANE to think that that would be even close to what the Rams want for this pick.

There is absolutely a line where the trade comp is too much. Risking one full draft, I don't have a problem with that. Risking two, which is what we will likely have to do, very big problem with that.

Your right . I wish the clueless kids around the world who think vick and qbs like him are all that. Would see that.

What do we have to lose? 5-6 years.

I've stated before... if you give up 2 years of drafts, in 2-3 years, you're going to start losing a lot of your in-house talent, you'll have no young players to replace them, and your cap becomes too stretched to sign marquee free agents from the outside. If we give up 2 years of drafts, by 2015, RGIII's supporting cast is going to look significantly worse.

So the question is, do people feel comfortable that RGIII can be Peyton Manning? That he can be a QB that can carry a team on his back? Or will we use common sense and say that his upside is much more likely to be like Matt Ryan -- a very good QB who won't make the Super Bowl unless he gets the help of a great supporting cast?

Again, the Giants have more playoff wins this year than we have in 40 and some still want to play it safe? I just don't get it.

Or they could fill their gaping CB hole with a 1st, 2nd round CB who winds up busting.

Seriously, Carr is a known, he is young, he is good and he has yet to reach his ceiling.

Also, we can always give up higher picks than the 3rd, 5th. A 2nd and 5th next year and our 3rd and 5th this year...

Vick also was a dumb as a box of rocks coming out. He also had no accuracy. The only similarities between him and RGIII are they are both fast and black QBs.

I agree that two drafts is too much. But it won't take two whole drafts to trade up.

Again, you are absolutely crazy if you actually think we are going to win this trade without giving up at least or first 3 picks in 2012 and 2013. At least.

And no, teams (especially like the Rams) are not interested in signing a guy like Brandon Carr. They are teams building for the future much moreso than they are today. Why would they sign a guy for $10+ million when they can use that pick instead to draft a CB like Claiborne for a few mill? It's ridiculous to suggest that the Rams are so desperate to win now that they would trade away a blue chip pick for a guy who's going to break their bank.

3 playoff wins in 40 years and yet you still worry about 5-6 years? I still think you are pulling a worst case scenario to justify your position. Lets put it this way, we played it safe the last 5-6 years and have what to show for it?

even if the Rams cut that overrated o-lineman they are in no position to be overspending on a 10 mil contract on Brandon Carr

that hurts them, a rebuilding team, more than it helps. The Rams want the future they don't want high priced present day talent.

Brandon Carr has enormous value to win now/media market teams. Not a team like the Rams