Crazy stuff...this happened about 15 minutes from my house!

Have they identified the shooter yet?

No, not yet. Another press conference tomorrow morning at 10:00 AM. I'm guessing they'll identify him then.

They are serving a search warrant at a duplex not too far from the temple. Sounds like it's the shooter's residence and that he moved there less than a month ago.

People in the neighborhood of the home they're searching have been evacuated...

During the Batman shooting, the police were on site within 90 seconds. This time, the rampage was ended by a policeman, and another was apparently very seriously wounded while stepping in.

So a tip of the hat to the police lately. Good job.

Most of the crazy seems to come from lounge people who freak out at the possibility that politics might be in the air.

You didn't read my post.

There ya go.....red flag #1

Red flag, black flag.

I get confused. But keep me up to date on this.

Not really. I think there are many of us who enjoy and follow politics. Unfortunately there is a significant subset of semi-decent people who are triggered into becoming a psycho about political subjects, so you all must be relegated to the basement where you won't embarrass the rest of us marginally semi-normal folks in front of the house guests. But that's pretty much politics in a nutshell. "Oh, I couldn't have possibly done anything wrong, let's see how we can deflect the blame of our insanity onto someone else."

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So how many were there? This guy says (at least) 4 people?

I'm sure it was a white supremacist hate group though. Surely the govt wouldn't be behind something like this.

I did think it was odd some of the early witnesses said there was more than one shooter. But people freak out in these kind of crisis situations.

Either way, if this really was a conspiracy you can almost guarantee they wouldn't make a simple logical mistake like that. I don't think that lends credence to a conspiracy at all. In fact you could argue it'd make it less likely.

In 1966, Charles Whitman went on a shooting spree from the UT clock tower in Austin, Texas. The party of Rangers and Deputy Sheriffs who climbed the tower to stop him were fired on by civilian riflemen on the ground, even after Whitman was shot and killed. It took a while to discover, and then to alert the general public, that Whitman had acted alone.

Thinking there are multiple shooters is nothing new. Let's give the over-excited news outlets a day or so to get their stories straight.

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Oh, come on. You're disrespecting the victims, cops, and country by shouting "false flag" at the first sign of a tragedy like this. Even if you're somehow correct, there are still a half dozen dead parishioners, a hero cop fighting for his life, and a nation full of people who are tired of seeing our neighbors get killed by psychopaths while they were supposed to feel safe. If you want to spew your bizarre conspiracy theories, fine, you're allowed, but give it a couple of days at least.