Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9523056)

Expectations? I would imagine that the only people who have expectations, realistic or otherwise, are his detractors. Most of the people in favor of him for the pick understand that although he was a fantastic player for three years and may be far and away the most talented QB in this draft, that's no guarantee for success at the next level. On the flip side most of the people in favor of him also understand that you can't ever draft a franchise quarterback if you don't ever actually attempt to try to draft a franchise quarterback. Most of the people in favor of him understand that we are in a unique position as a team, a position we've never found ourselves in before, where we would have had the opportunity to draft a potential franchise player without any chance at another team's interference.

But the key word there is "potential". Drafting Geno Smith, and the discussion of Geno Smith, has never been about expectations. It's been about potential. What he might be. Which, to bring Alex Smith into the discussion, is the area where the issue with his presence lies (at least for me): Alex Smith is a known quantity. He's a game manager with limited skills in the intermediate and deep passing game, a player who has established by this point that he needs to rely on a strong running game to limit mistakes and a defense to carry him to wins. The kind of quarterback that barely survives low scoring games. He is what he is, and it's pretty unlikely that he's going to become anything more than that at this point.

So the question becomes this: do you want a known quantity with limited upside for a fairly high price? A player who's middle of the pack at best, isn't likely to lead your team anywhere on his own merits, but also isn't likely to make a lot of costly mistakes. Or do you want an unknown quantity with both nearly limitless upside as well as a real risk for failure, at the highest price possible (well, short of trading up to 1)? A player that could be, in time, one of the tops at his position in the league, or...may never be.

In any event, it doesn't really matter; they made their choice.

And I'm admittedly a conspiracy nut, but I believe they made it before they even went through the process of evaluating this draft class. I think Alex Smith was a part of the lengthy day-long discussion Andy Reid had with Clark prior to KC hiring the coach, and I think making a strong move for him was a contingency of the hire. Which, if true, would be a real shame, because that would mean we'd anchored ourselves to him without even considering any other possibilities.

(This is just a personal theory, based on absolutely nothing but a gut feeling...)

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9523529)

If we really wanted Geno Smith, than we would have just taken him 1st overall instead of trading for Alex Smith.

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9523221)

Why not? Other than ILB its the weakest position on the team.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9523533)

Based on Dorsey's philosophy we still may...

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9523533)

Based on Dorsey's philosophy we still may...

Originally Posted by Alex Smith 4Ever (Post 9523519)

7 of the 9 teams drafting behind us desperately need a QB. If Geno was a great prospect, why isn't anyone trying to trade up?

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 9523268)

You just described Ricky Stanzi.

Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9523548)

Because a lot of these teams got ****ed by the owners and received no compensation picks.

And if you were including the Jaguars, we are currently being crippled by some run of the mill missouri pillowbitergot named Blaine.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9523408)

It doesn't matter if it's no 1 or no 71 if you make the right pick you're a genius.

Missing on a QB in the top 10 is not an unforgivable sin.



Alex proves that average out.

THat said it's only true because most are huge booms or huge busts.

All drafts have Manning's and Leaf's.

The entire point is to have a GM and scouting dept. able to tell which is which. The point is to have people that can identify the possibles and the probables.

If you don't not only will that pick bust but most that follow will as well...

Originally Posted by Alex Smith 4Ever (Post 9523556)

The Redskins got screwed by the owners on their cap space and they had no problem trading two firsts and a second to move up

Originally Posted by Alex Smith 4Ever (Post 9523519)

7 of the 9 teams drafting behind us desperately need a QB. If Geno was a great prospect, why isn't anyone trying to trade up?

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9523533)

Based on Dorsey's philosophy we still may...

Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9523573)

Maybe, But I think Clark told him we gotta win NOW.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9523056)

Expectations? I would imagine that the only people who have expectations, realistic or otherwise, are his detractors. Most of the people in favor of him for the pick understand that although he was a fantastic player for three years and may be far and away the most talented QB in this draft, that's no guarantee for success at the next level. On the flip side most of the people in favor of him also understand that you can't ever draft a franchise quarterback if you don't ever actually attempt to try to draft a franchise quarterback. Most of the people in favor of him understand that we are in a unique position as a team, a position we've never found ourselves in before, where we would have had the opportunity to draft a potential franchise player without any chance at another team's interference.

But the key word there is "potential". Drafting Geno Smith, and the discussion of Geno Smith, has never been about expectations. It's been about potential. What he might be. Which, to bring Alex Smith into the discussion, is the area where the issue with his presence lies (at least for me): Alex Smith is a known quantity. He's a game manager with limited skills in the intermediate and deep passing game, a player who has established by this point that he needs to rely on a strong running game to limit mistakes and a defense to carry him to wins. The kind of quarterback that barely survives low scoring games. He is what he is, and it's pretty unlikely that he's going to become anything more than that at this point.

So the question becomes this: do you want a known quantity with limited upside for a fairly high price? A player who's middle of the pack at best, isn't likely to lead your team anywhere on his own merits, but also isn't likely to make a lot of costly mistakes. Or do you want an unknown quantity with both nearly limitless upside as well as a real risk for failure, at the highest price possible (well, short of trading up to 1)? A player that could be, in time, one of the tops at his position in the league, or...may never be.


(This is just a personal theory, based on absolutely nothing but a gut feeling...)