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htismaqe 03-10-2014 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10476658)
If you look at the situation as hopeless, then I'm sorry.

I don't look at the situation as hopeless at all.

But looking at it realistically, the only reason anybody at all could be ok with Fisher being the opening day LT is because they've given themselves over to hope.

There's no objective reason to think that will be a success, at least not initially.

Messier 03-10-2014 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10476665)
I don't look at the situation as hopeless at all.

But looking at it realistically, the only reason anybody at all could be ok with Fisher being the opening day LT is because they've given themselves over to hope.

There's no objective reason to think that will be a success, at least not initially.

Good. Do I think he'll struggle? Yes I do. I also think he is talented, and probably will improve.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10476667)
Good. Do I think he'll struggle? Yes I do. I also think he is talented, and probably will improve.

My only problem is, it may take more than just 1 full NFL off-season for him to do it in. There's also the question of whether or not he can stay healthy next season.

MahiMike 03-10-2014 09:12 AM

Our 1.1 coulda been worse. Joeckl was less impressive and didn't even make it half a season.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 10476697)
Our 1.1 coulda been worse. Joeckl was less impressive and didn't even make it half a season.

I wouldn't have guessed that Fluker would have a better rookie year than all 3; Fisher, Joeckl, and Johnson. And what's up with the Long family? All 3 are football freaks. The dad and both sons.

RealSNR 03-10-2014 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10476332)
To be fair though, there wasn't a sure #1 overall player in 2013. Was just a bad year to have the #1 overall pick.

No outstanding QB available.

No clearly "best talent" available.

The top 10 last year would probably be among picks 10-25 this year.

I don't know why when one says, "Fisher was a ****ing terrible #1 pick" everybody asks, "So you'd rather have Joeckel?"

Who's pointing the gun to Dorsey's head telling him to pick an OT?

Mugsy 03-10-2014 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 10476697)
Our 1.1 coulda been worse. Joeckl was less impressive and didn't even make it half a season.

No kidding. It could have been much worse. Hell, the dolphins are trying to trade Jordan already. Geno is a nightmare. Even Tavon Austin only had one or two good games. Warmack was supposed to be a sure thing and he struggled. Expectations are a funny thing when it comes to the draft. it was a shitty draft class to begin with. Chiefs fans were just in denial about that from the beginning imo. I think we came out pretty good with Fisher and it is still very early.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10476705)
I don't know why when one says, "Fisher was a ****ing terrible #1 pick" everybody asks, "So you'd rather have Joeckel?"

Who's pointing the gun to Dorsey's head telling him to pick an OT?

Albert was only franchise tagged.

No clear #1 overall prospect.

Every QB prospect sucked that year and were all 2nd round level players at best.

Top defensive players all had red flags.

No clear "next great WR" available worth the #1 overall pick. Plus just signed Bowe to a big deal.

Secondary guys sucked that year as evidenced by Dee Milliner's crapfest of a rookie year.

Clearly no LBs worth the #1 overall pick.

The cleanest group, by far, was the OL group at the top. Fisher just happened to be the one that they judged to have the highest ceiling, plus he would theoretically allow us to move on from Albert in 2014 or trade him in that draft (which didn't happen).

duncan_idaho 03-10-2014 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10476665)
I don't look at the situation as hopeless at all.

But looking at it realistically, the only reason anybody at all could be ok with Fisher being the opening day LT is because they've given themselves over to hope.

There's no objective reason to think that will be a success, at least not initially.

Great post. There's no evidence that Eric Fisher can be a great LT (worthy of 1.1) other than hope and the fact he was drafted high/well-regarded leading up to the draft.

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10476705)
I don't know why when one says, "Fisher was a ****ing terrible #1 pick" everybody asks, "So you'd rather have Joeckel?"

Who's pointing the gun to Dorsey's head telling him to pick an OT?

EXACTLY!

They picked a LT because it was "safe" and "best value" and "No. 1 overall has to be able to play right away and can't afford to sit." They chose higher floor over higher ceiling.

htismaqe 03-10-2014 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10476706)
No kidding. It could have been much worse. Hell, the dolphins are trying to trade Jordan already. Geno is a nightmare. Even Tavon Austin only had one or two good games. Warmack was supposed to be a sure thing and he struggled. Expectations are a funny thing when it comes to the draft. it was a shitty draft class to begin with. Chiefs fans were just in denial about that from the beginning imo. I think we came out pretty good with Fisher and it is still very early.

Dee Millner wasn't bad. And we wouldn't be talking about taking a CB in the first this year.

htismaqe 03-10-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10476716)
Secondary guys sucked that year as evidenced by Dee Milliner's crapfest of a rookie year.

ROFL

INFINITELY better than Fisher's rookie year.

Mugsy 03-10-2014 09:35 AM

I disagree, Joeckel was the higher floor and Fisher was the higher ceiling last year at this time. Also, they new they weren't re-signing Albert imo. They even flirted with trading him. That was a big piece of the puzzle. The draft had several good looking tackle prospects. Taking a OT was a no brainer if you really think about it. Fans should have seen that coming from a mile away. It's ironic to hear some talk about "hope" imo. Hope is why they don't like Fisher. They didn't get the QB they hoped for and want to be right.

The Franchise 03-10-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10476736)
I disagree, Joeckel was the higher floor and Fisher was the higher ceiling last year at this time. Also, they new they weren't re-signing Albert imo. They even flirted with trading him. That was a big piece of the puzzle. The draft had several good looking tackle prospects. it was a no brainer if you really think about it.

Several good looking OT prospects that wouldn't be picked in the first 20 picks this year.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10476729)
ROFL

INFINITELY better than Fisher's rookie year.

Seriously? Did you even watch him play? They have a great front 7 and he looked like donkey sh*t pretty much the entire year.

Milliner was benched for poor play at least 3 times last year, in favor of a UDFA. And he was a top 10 pick.

Cooper had a better rookie year than Milliner did and you would have rather had Milliner? ROFL

Mugsy 03-10-2014 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10476739)
Several good looking OT prospects that wouldn't be picked in the first 20 picks this year.

Yep, it was a shitty draft class and everyone knew it.


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