Probably. Or the spring of 2014 after Bill Self gets a 3 seed and grinds out another 2nd round loss to 11th-seeded Marquette. Falling by a score of, just for giggles, 59-54. After which he compliments the team for their latest conference title and praises them for playing so hard in the loss.

I'd anticipate that he'll start the season. Hopefully Mason improves further and takes his spot, but when you have a senior PG with Tharpe's experience level, it's going to be hard not to utilize him significantly. That's unfortunate, because as I said yesterday KU is always going to be flawed as long if 2/5 of their starting lineup doesn't play defense (Tharpe/Perry). It's a tough thing for the others to overcome.

Not actually true, though.

Enjoy your time away.

I agree with most of this. Although I will say that I like Mason's penetration ability. And he did show flashes of what a PG is supposed to do throughout the season. My guess is that Frankamp was a little overwhelmed this season by the level of competition. But it seemed to start clicking at tourney time. Hopefully, that's a sign of things to come next year. If Tharpe doesn't pull his head out of his butt this offseason then to Hell with him. Make Frankamp the starter with Mason as the backup. Just split the minutes between those 2 and leave Tharpe on the bench.

I know we will. :thumb:

He had 15 assists all season. Even at the minutes he played, it was a terrible assist rate for a supposed PG and much worse than either Mason or Tharpe. Couldn't create for others (and he obviously can't create his own shot yet). I guess I'm just not seeing what you guys are. All he did this season was be a spot shooter and he didn't do that well either.

Tharpe will obviously be the starter next year. PB will just have to miss KU hoops.

And I like Frankamp, but he's more of a defensive liability than Mason without the speed on the offensive end. Self with plug in Mason behind Tharpe. Frankamp has the ability to be a fantastic shooter. I know he has it in him, the kid can and eventually will shoot from anywhere on the floor.

I just don't see him taking minutes from Mason; and especially not Tharpe. I'm really excited about Mason. I can see a ton of Sherron in the way the kid plays. He's going to be an absolute stud by his senior year.

It's because you are thinking of all the times he was coming in to play the 2. He isn't a SG, and his % was low because he's never played in a catch-and-shoot role before.

At the end of the year, when he actually came to replace Tharpe and not play alongside him, he finally began hitting his stride. All year, he was essentially coming in to provide some shooting spark. The tourney was the first time he came in to run the offense, and he's just better at that than Tharpe is.

Honestly... I have no idea how the rotation will be. If we end up with Turner to replace Embiid, then frankly it's like we are returning the same exact squad.

I just don't see how a junior perry ellis comes off the bench replaced by a freshman who is used to having a healthy dose of 6'5 unathletic centers on his schedule to crush at will.

People love to compare him to Sherron, but Sherron was a FAR better shooter and finisher at the rim. God I loved watching him play.

Every team can use a Frankamp but as a backup that can give the starter a rest and not make a bunch of stupid mistakes. He can do that and have the defense have to pay some attention to him because if you don’t respect his ability to hit a 3 he can hurt you. You still need a starter which we did not have this year.

When you say end of the year, what are you talking about? The 43 minutes that he played in the last 2 tournament games? Because he barely played at all in the weeks preceding that. And even there, in that time he spent as Tharpe's replacement, he only put up 4 assists over that time which is an awful rate for a PG. He didn't show any type of PG skills at all to me, at least if you care about your PG creating shots for himself and the others.

Frankamp "ran the offense" in the sense that he didn't make mistakes and passed the ball to players better than him so they could create their own shots, but that's not nearly good enough for what this team needs.


Not a better shooter, but Mason had a similar assist rate to freshman Sherron and he was better at drawing fouls than him (which is pretty impressive to think about). There was a ton to like about Mason this year.

The concern with Self in 2003 was that he'd bring that slow down, grind out style to Kansas. It hasn't been as bad as we feared (since he's got access to the best talent in the country here) but it's still pitiful to watch in March where all his old Hank Iba-Eddie Sutton tendencies come out of the woodwork and he imposes that gargabe style.


Has it worked? Not really. It worked one time: 2012, where we grinded out multiple wins with 60 points. (It didn't work in 2008 because that team didn't run that style. Was actually full of NBA talent including 2 NBA-caliber long range shooters). The rest of the years he's had tight teams that drop games to double digit seeds. He's gotten tremendous draws most of the time.


He needs another Chalmers or Rush. I really don't care to see any more Jamari Traylors or Blacks or Seldens. This style is abysmal and we didn't even need to run it in 2008 when we actually DID have a fun and incredibly talented team to watch.

Tharpe has shown flashes of being a very effective PG. His play in January was excellent and coincided with the best run this team has. He also finished with the 4th best assist rate for any player in the Self era this year (2004, 2005 Miles and 2012 Tyshawn). You'd just wish he was more consistent and better defensively. What he gives you in passing ability, he takes away with bad decision making often.

Once again, 13 of the 16 remaining teams play at a slower tempo than KU (who is above average). Most of the best teams in the NCAA play incredibly slow. This isn't a talking point.

Opposing teams slow ku to that grinding pace. It's about the only way these less talented teams can beat more talented teams.

Slow the game down and make jump shots.

If that's the case, then Self's system doesn't work. If someone can impose their will on you every March (and they do), then their system must be superior. When people want to speed him up, like Beilein last year, they do that too.


You'll notice you can't slow down Louisville because they won't let you. Then again, Pitino is 11-0 in Sweet 16s for a reason.