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gblowfish 01-17-2017 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12693266)
My dad summed it up best yesterday.

"It was the chiefs annual January groin punch. You don't know when it's coming, but in your nuts, you feel it and know, it's coming".

I prefer to call it the Five Year Rochambeau....

The Franchise 01-17-2017 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 12693267)
I prefer to call it the Five Year Rochambeau....

I'm expecting Dorsey to leave in the next month.

notorious 01-17-2017 12:44 PM

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stevieray 01-17-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12693235)
was wide the **** open for a clear TD that Alex ****ed up because he threw it back shoulder

complete BS...9/10 times that ball GOES to the back shoulder, away from the defender.

just stop.

KChiefs1 01-17-2017 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12692971)
Loser DNA.

Some franchises win when the game matters, others don't.

This team came out and did NOTHING well on Sunday. Not one goddamn thing. And when I try to come up with players that actually played well, I don't think I can really come up with any of those either. I don't recall Peters or Mitchell really getting beat up. I also can't think of any obvious errors that Conley made.

But otherwise I can't think of a single player that didn't have some sort of key blown assignment or execution error. And that includes Jah Reid who I'm pretty sure played only one snap and blew his block badly enough to create a pick. Just a comedy of errors across the board. And let's not even get into the coaching as I believe that particular horse has been beaten to death.

I'm done having expectations for this franchise. They've officially moved into St. Louis Blues territory - I know they're going to **** it up, it's only a question of how at this point.

This franchise exists to be the bit players in everyone else's story. Loser DNA.



I blame Jan Stenerud.



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DJ's left nut 01-17-2017 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12693235)
Why are people upset with Maclin? He made a clutch catch to nullify Kelce's dumbassery and was wide the **** open for a clear TD that Alex ****ed up bc he threw it back shoulder

Smith didn't throw that back shoulder; he threw it away from the DB towards the pylon. If the throws it to the inside shoulder, the DB has a play on the ball.

That was perfect ball placement from Smith and Maclin just didn't get his head turned. That's not a 'back shoulder' throw, it's a simple throw to the outside shoulder allowing the WR to keep himself between the DB and the ball.

Maclin ran a flag route and Smith put the ball exactly where the ball should go on a flag route - directly at the front flag. That's basic route running - if you're headed towards the pylon, look for the ball over your outside shoulder.

I'm not upset with Maclin - he played a fine game (though he absolutely messed that play up). But he didn't have a good season and like I said, I'd be hard pressed to give a shit about anybody they let go right now.

DJ's left nut 01-17-2017 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 12693229)
Like call a hot route to Hill when he's got a ****ing linebacker covering him up? Oh, wait, Alice didn't do that.... He didn't even look at Hill.

Didn't even have to call a hot route - they had the play and the matchup they needed.

Smith just didn't look that way. It had to be a failed pre-snap read. I'm at a complete loss as to how that ball didn't come out as soon as he hit his third step.

The Franchise 01-17-2017 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12693373)
Didn't even have to call a hot route - they had the play and the matchup they needed.

Smith just didn't look that way. It had to be a failed pre-snap read. I'm at a complete loss as to how that ball didn't come out as soon as he hit his third step.

Because he doesn't trust himself to make a play.

O.city 01-17-2017 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12693371)
Smith didn't throw that back shoulder; he threw it away from the DB towards the pylon. If the throws it to the inside shoulder, the DB has a play on the ball.

That was perfect ball placement from Smith and Maclin just didn't get his head turned. That's not a 'back shoulder' throw, it's a simple throw to the outside shoulder allowing the WR to keep himself between the DB and the ball.

Maclin ran a flag route and Smith put the ball exactly where the ball should go on a flag route - directly at the front flag. That's basic route running - if you're headed towards the pylon, look for the ball over your outside shoulder.

I'm not upset with Maclin - he played a fine game (though he absolutely messed that play up). But he didn't have a good season and like I said, I'd be hard pressed to give a shit about anybody they let go right now.

If he's looking over his inside shoulder there from the beginning, smith threw the wrong ball. Throw it to the back of the endzone.

DJ's left nut 01-17-2017 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 12693310)
complete BS...9/10 times that ball GOES to the back shoulder, away from the defender.

just stop.

Exactly.

Back shoulder /= outside shoulder.

That was not a stop route, not a timing route. 'back shoulder' doesn't come into play. It was the kind of super complicated route you ran in high school - it was a simple flag route (may have been more of a post-corner same concept).

And on that throw, 99 times out of 100 you put it to the WRs outside shoulder because the route is designed in a way to put the WR between the DB and the sideline. Outside shoulder makes it impossible for the DB to get there without going through the WR. If the receiver looks the right way, it's an completion or a PI.

And the ball all but hit him in the shoulder - it couldn't have been better placed.

J-Mac just turned the wrong way. There's no reason for him to have looked to the inside on that route; trying to sneak it inside shoulder with the DB having inside position is upping the degree of difficulty by roughly a metric ton.

Maclin and Smith weren't on the same page at all this year and this was another one of those times. But that's a textbook outside shoulder throw from Smith and if anyone carries 'blame' there, it's Maclin.

DJ's left nut 01-17-2017 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12693384)
If he's looking over his inside shoulder there from the beginning, smith threw the wrong ball. Throw it to the back of the endzone.

Here's an exercise - run forward, cut 45 degrees to your right and then 90 degrees to your left, now turn your head and look back to where you started - which direction does your head go?

If you try to turn your head inside looking for that throw, it's going to turn your shoulders and flatten out that route. Again, that's why that throw is designed outside shoulder - everything about it is far more natural. If you try to throw it inside shoulder it's going to require one of those jumping/turning acrobatic catches that clearly wasn't necessary given that separation. The throw from Smith was clearly designed to go right at that front flag and Maclins route was taking him right to it. There's just nothing that makes sense about assuming that it was actually designed to go to the back of the end zone but both guys screwed up so it was 12 yards short.

KISS - the simplest solution here is almost certainly the correct one.

kcfanXIII 01-17-2017 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12693373)
Didn't even have to call a hot route - they had the play and the matchup they needed.

Smith just didn't look that way. It had to be a failed pre-snap read. I'm at a complete loss as to how that ball didn't come out as soon as he hit his third step.

A failed presnap read I made from the upper level of Arrowhead. I was screaming "They gotta linebacker on Reek, throw him the damn ball!" before the snap... I could even see Alice looking over at him. Then snap the ball, and never even glance over there. dump off for a 3 yard gain. Its this shit that allows defenses to load the box with 8 or 9 guys and shut down the run. They don't have to cover the deep ball because it will never get thrown. It's maddening. But by all means, let's replace every one around Alice Smith so they can pick up our 17 million dollar QB....

O.city 01-17-2017 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12693411)
Here's an exercise - run forward, cut 45 degrees to your right and then 90 degrees to your left, now turn your head and look back to where you started - which direction does your head go?

If you try to turn your head inside looking for that throw, it's going to turn your shoulders and flatten out that route. Again, that's why that throw is designed outside shoulder - everything about it is far more natural. If you try to throw it inside shoulder it's going to require one of those jumping/turning acrobatic catches that clearly wasn't necessary given that separation. The throw from Smith was clearly designed to go right at that front flag and Maclins route was taking him right to it. There's just nothing that makes sense about assuming that it was actually designed to go to the back of the end zone but both guys screwed up so it was 12 yards short.

KISS - the simplest solution here is almost certainly the correct one.

Maybe.

**** if I know, I'm still just pissed at the whole thing

DJ's left nut 01-17-2017 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 12693454)
A failed presnap read I made from the upper level of Arrowhead. I was screaming "They gotta linebacker on Reek, throw him the damn ball!" before the snap... I could even see Alice looking over at him. Then snap the ball, and never even glance over there. dump off for a 3 yard gain. Its this shit that allows defenses to load the box with 8 or 9 guys and shut down the run. They don't have to cover the deep ball because it will never get thrown. It's maddening. But by all means, let's replace every one around Alice Smith so they can pick up our 17 million dollar QB....

Jesus - I'd hoped it was a blown read. It wasn't - he just refused to throw it.

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Looked right at him. Had the read right and locked in on Hill. Smith absolutely had to have seen him pull even with a flat-footed Sean Davis, he still tucked and ran.

It was gutless, brain-dead football. Like I said, it was a play that completely vindicated every negative thing ever said about Alex Smith. It was a completely inexcusable play that even SHITTY quarterbacks make with ease. I'm still at a loss.

I get more pissed off the more I watch it. What the **** even caused him to roll out? There was NOBODY THERE!! Sure, Fulton blocked nobody in particular but still, Harrison is too busy trying to put a shot on Kelce. Stand in, make the throw. You probably wouldn't have even gotten hit.

God dammit that play pisses me off. That's the play that will stick with me from this game. The hold means ****-all if he doesn't botch this easy pitch and catch.

Yup - I'm out on Alex Smith. Might not be fair, but I'm done with him. I absolutely cannot believe he didn't let that ball go.

The Franchise 01-17-2017 02:24 PM

He saw Harrison coming at him and bitched out. This is why he will never win us anything meaningful.

****.

:facepalm:

That was the game right there.


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