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There's a reason 5th round QBs are 5th round QBs. Expecting any 5th round QB to pan out is insane. |
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The worst thing about having to watch Cassel for another season is that our team is set up on both sides of the ball to accommodate a young QB and still be competitive. We were 4-5 with Cassel last season and 3-4 without him. I think we can get by with just about anyone outside of Palko but I am tired of just getting by. If Stanzi is not ready for a chance ( Maybe he never will be although this is his first offseason ) then I would rather even give Brady Quinn a shot over Cassel. I know what Cassel brings and I don't want that brought anymore. |
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If Stanzi succeeds that is still Pioli's pick and he will get the credit. It's not like if Stanzi becomes a pro bowl QB that when people see Pioli they will say hey there is that useless turd who gave up a 2nd round pick and a mega deal to Matt Cassel. I imagine they would say there is that lucky bastard who got a good QB in the 5th round and turned the Chiefs around. |
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We have a 1st rounder on roster as well as a low round developmental guy... |
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Quinn is Daboll's training dawg
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I would definitely say the odds are stacked against him but the jury is still out... |
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I don't think quinn has a strong arm. he puts a lot of body motion into his longer throws. what he does have that cassel does not, is quick release of the ball. that right there would get the offense in passing sinc if quinn was any good. can't say what he is now, haven't seen him play in years.
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I assume Rucker is another TD
remember the players Haley dragged in :skip: Fair Catch Wade :skip: |
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something thats worth fixing since he's much younger than Castle and a high draft pick, |
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Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Starting Cassel every week is insane. |
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bra dy bra dy bra dy bra dy :D |
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I am also willing to bet another one of those 3 years was 2010 when Cassel was blessed with the number 1 ranked rushing game ( And still only managed to provide us with the 3rd worst ranked passing offense despite all the teams stacking the box against the rush ), a decent defense and of course the magic ingredient to any appearance of Cassel standing over another QB in the easy schedule. That stat is really just too broad to be thrown around. What were the surrounding casts of each player in that year? How many of the 3rd down conversions were by run or pass? How many 3rd down attempts were there ( Is Orton possibly doing more on 1st and 2nd down to help prevent his team even reaching 3rd downs? ), what defenses were these 3rd down attempts against? |
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Yes Orton had his mistakes but the guy was playing with an all new team and coming off an injury at the tail end of a season that featured 2 playoff teams and 1 8-8 team. The fact is he was able to make proper changes at the line ( Something I had to laugh at because even Palko was better at reading plays at the line than Cassel, not much of anything else but he was better than Cassel at that ), and was able to get our offense to actually sustain more drives per game than we had with Cassel all year. I guarantee if you gave Orton a full season with this offense it would come out looking better than Cassel any day of the week. Would it be good enough? Probably not but I would bet my bottom dollar that this team had a chance to go farther with Orton than it did with Cassel. I get it that Orton is gone and I am over it but the facts remain the same. Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, and Matt Flynn would have better promise than the loser. |
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But I guess you do tend to throw a few more picks when you consistently attempt to pass the ball over 5 yards or throw to someone other than your first option or your dumpoff option. You might want to look at their numbers against each other before making a conclusion. I get it that Orton is not the answer here long term or preferably even longer than a season but Cassel is completely intolerable and every minute that he plays is a minute of one of our now many talented players careers. |
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I'd watch him play if he took over, but until he does something other than what he's done in the NFL, I'll remain not a fan of quinn. |
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Revisionists history. He may have had time at the line now and again, just like Cassel, but not with any kind of consistency like Orton. |
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One of the reasons we won that game though was that we were able to keep our offense on the field for sustained drives which Cassel doesn't do consistently throughout a single game let alone several games regardless of what the defense is ranked. Cassel is perfectly capable of stinking it up against the last ranked defense but one thing we do know is that if the defense is good we are without a doubt in for a total stink show. |
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Rodgers threw well, and if the D didn't make a decent play on the ball, from time to time they got lucky that the Pack WR's dropped multiple balls. The defense held Aaron Rodgers to just 6.7 ypa for his lowest total of the year. Also the only game they lost, wonder if there's a correlation there. The d-backs covered well, the front seven sacked Rodgers 4 times and forced two fumbles. The offense was 4/12 on third down and the rushing game went for 139. 8 of Ortons passes were to RB's for 71 yds. The only touchdown was a rushing TD, they went 1/5 in the redzone and 1/3 on goal to go. Orton contributed 0 TD's. |
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:facepalm: Now I see why drafturbaters are always pissed. |
I just love reading that Quinn has proven that he sucks. Hes barely had a chance and has been in awful situations. There were games where he played like a young inexperienced QB(which he was), and there were games where he showed flashes of brilliance like a first round QB(which he was). If hes drafted by a loaded team he starts and never looks back and still would be the starter. He got drafted by a shit team where he was set up to fail.
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I'm utterly baffled at people hanging their hope on Brady Quinn as I haven't seen anything there worth it. I'm also baffled at people saying Quinn never had a chance. He's had plenty of chances and has shown nothing for it. The guy has been lucky to hang around as a backup for this long. |
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I can't believe this thread is still going.
You're all ****ing insane. Brady Quinn's like the 50th best QB in the NFL. Maybe. |
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Cassel is bad, but he's a ****ing HOFer compared to Quinn. Quinn should not even be on this team. He's here because we are run by idiots. |
If he's 50th best in the league, that means he belongs in the league as a backup. If each team carries 3 QB's then that's 96 QB's taken into the season. Quinn's average!!! :thumb:
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run by idiots?....that sounds like you are running the team. |
To me it is just mind boggling for people to defend a QB who must hand off more than he throws in order for his team to have a chance to win.
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I am a Notre Dame fan who has always been "mehhh" about even wanting Quinn to succeed. He just always seemed like an arrogant, prissy, self-entitled prick to me. Gotta love this Dolphins 2007 1st round selection video....
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And where do you get Quinn has had "plenty of chances?". He has had 12 starts over two years for a terrible Browns team in his entire career. That's not even close to what I would call plenty of chances. Posted via Mobile Device |
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watch his release at 1:53, it shows how he sets feet and uses upper body only to release the football. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoLQn...eature=related |
I think there is a miscommunication going on in this thread.
No one is stating that Brady Quinn is going to be our QBoTF right out of the gate. FFS....he'll probably never get the chance. What people are saying is that he has the potential to be a good QB.....if given the chance. 12 starts on a shitty Browns team and 2 years riding the pine behind Jesus Christ himself are not viable chances. |
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