Are you kidding? TDK had a bunch of suspend reality moments too. Particularly with the money parts.

Give me some good movies to watch. Seriously. PM me if you want. Ive been seriously needing some great movie injection into my life. It's been kind of stale for me lately.

Of course. All the movies did. This instance, in particular, stuck out more than the others to the point that it bothers me. Maybe it's because it's tied in with the stock market scene, which seemed completely unnecessary. The warp-speed sunset was crazy. I mean, I can suspend disbelief that there's a vehicle out there called the Bat that flies faster than missiles, but it's much more difficult to believe that the earth rotates more quickly in the Batman universe . . .

Like I said, though, it's my favorite out of all of the Nolan Batman movies, even though it does have some pretty obvious flaws in the storyline. That's okay, though. I still thoroughly enjoyed it.

Meh. I watch all kinds of movies, I just don't feel the need to tear them apart. To each their own.

The only movies I tore apart would have been the Harry Potter movies and that was only because I read the books.

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Especially when it's a fantasy/scifi/superhero movie like this one.

Someone else may already have indicated this, but Wayne fixed the auto-pilot on the thing. There was a reference afterwards to, errr, Morgan Freeman's character looking into the previously broken auto-pilot that he had mentioned someone with more free time than he had (i.e. Wayne) should fix, and he got a report back that it had been fixed six months ago.

So apparently long before the thing blew, he set the autopilot and jumped out.

So you complain about this, but the 10 year old (or whatever) girl jumping the distance to get out the pit, when many highly conditioned, full grown men, can't, was ok with you?

Or the stunning discovery that dislocated vertebrae can be fixed by pounding them back into place?

Your ability to suspend disbelief needs a little fine tuning...

If I'm not mistaken though...We see a shot of him still in the Batwing just 5 seconds before the bomb detonates.

How could he have jumped out and escaped the blast radius with only 5 seconds to spare?

I watch great movies. I just don't pick them apart to the point where it sounds like I hate them.

When he fixed the Bat autopilot, he also installed an impenetrable outer shell, which protected him from the blast.

Plus, his bat suit is lined with a radiation shield per issue #231 of The Dark Knight Chronicles.*





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* OK, I made that up. I was just trying to sound comic booky.

you saw him in A Bat. Not THE Bat.

Or he was in a different Bat? Who knows...

When did he have time to switch Batwings?
The bomb was hitched to the Batwing 2 minutes before it was set to detonate.

Really there are only 2 things I didn't like about this movie.

1. The Pittsburgh Steelers players cameo during the Gotham Football game. Saw Ward, Roethlisberger, and I think even Pouncey. Most die hard football fans would point out Ward and Roethlisberger in a heartbeat. It's just weird IMO, especially in a movie that's not sports related.

2. Didn't like the way Bane was taken out. Would have much rather had Batman rip his entire mask off and then go to town on him. Instead Catwoman blew him away with the Batbike.

People aren't able to pick apart great movies. It's one of the things that makes them great.

Nope. Impenetrable covering. :harumph:

The only time he could have done it was when the building explodes, when JGL sees the Bat fly out.

So what? Maybe it does. It still bothers me, but not enough to not enjoy the movie. I don't think you guys get that.

that's the working theory...

Must be a pretty damn good covering to survive sitting on a nuclear bomb as it goes off.

It was filmed in Pittsburgh, in their stadium. (Hence the black and gold.)

The ending was that Bruce Wayne's Batman had died in the blast, but those close to him know that's not the case, as the auto-pilot was fixed. How Bruce managed to escape from the Batwing, I'm not sure - the movie didn't show that part.

But what it did show was Alfred sitting at the table and visioning his "dream" that Bruce was with his significant other (Selina Kyle) sitting across the restaurant from him. Bruce Wayne had moved on, and JGL found the Batcave etc.

My assumptions is that if there is ever another movie, it will star JGL as Batman (or Robin). I can't see them trying to make a lot of money off of trying to market "Robin" though. Though I could be wrong. Marvel is doing "Ant Man", which IMO would be a MUCH worse following than Robin, probably the biggest name sidekick in pop culture.

I know that.

Still doesn't change my mind on what I thought about it. Just thought it was cheesy.

It's made out of cockroaches.

Such as? I have some free time and could use some suggestions.

You want me to give you a list of great films? Such a thing, partially defined through critical consensus, is easily Googlable. You could start with Roger Ebert's list that is literally titled Great Movies. http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...ovies_first100

Oh well...you didn't say THAT. It's all falling into place now. :thumb:

There will be a montage of him building it a la Days of Thunder in the director's cut, as well as a previously cut scene titled "Rising" in which Bruce trains for the climb out of the pit set to Push It to the Limit by Pete Bellotte. It's. ****ing. Awesome.

Can't wait haha

I picked that up immediately, but the action is pretty intense at that point.

It's not like it was hard to spot, but given all that was going on at the time, it was hard to process. I realized it and didn't think that Bane was the child that climbed from the pit, but everytime I started to try to think about who it could be or why the inconsistency, something else happened to distract me from it.

I honestly wonder if that wasn't by design. Unless you tune the movie out for 15 minutes and start pondering, there's just not a good moment to get much beyond the "wait...so Bane isn't the child" moment. And even that one is likely brushed off by most of the viewing audience as a product of their own misunderstanding.

For the record; loved the movie. I love 'beginning' type stories and I think that's why I like Begins and even this one better than TDK. TDK is just Batman whupin' ass and using gadgets the whole time. Both Begins and Rises have a 'rebuild' story to them and I love those.

They're all good movies but I love TDK the best just for Ledger's Joker. I think performances like that make a movie go from 'really really good' to 'great'. I think Begins and TDKR are both really really good but TDK is great and the most memorable because of the Joker. Plus...Two-Face is pretty much my favorite Batman villain.

Also, Begins and Rises both take a while for Batman to show up, and TDK, being the middle movie, pretty much starts off right away with Batman action. I could be wrong, but I think it had the most Batman action out of the trilogy. It's kinda why I liked Spider-Man 2 the best out of the Raimi trilogy. It starts off right away with Spider-Man.

I like to think he used anti-nuclear bomb bat repellent.

Wtf is google? Given you critiquing this movie I thought perhaps you had some off the top of your head that YOU thought were great and were maybe using as a comparison in your own mind.

I'm still wondering why the "is Bane the child?" subplot is important to the story.

Please help?

Sorry if this has been asked, I haven't seen it on here. But I saw this for the 3rd time last night & can't understand what Bane says right after "I'm Gotham's reckoning..." before he snaps that dude's neck in half. Only time that I couldn't understand him and it's bugging the crap out of me.... Help?

Was that when he said something like, "because you give me money, you own me?"

The Stock exchange is immediately shut down remotely in case of terriost attack on the exchange. All traffic is stopped.

like the other comments, I felt catwomen blowing Bane away was cheap. Batman running into the middle of a huge melee against a guy who beat him the last time would not be the smart way Bruce wayne would have handled the 2nd confrontation.

And dont even get me started on an exposed spinal cord just being snapped into place and all feeling is restored. :facepalm:

Are you talking about the one in New York or the one in Gotham?

Yes.

I could spend the next few hours listing movies off the top of my head, man. I'm a big film buff. Howabout I just list my favorite films in each of the last five years?

2011: A Separation
2010: Winter's Bone
2009: Still Walking
2008: Chop Shop
2007: There Will Be Blood

Just from reading this thread I figured you were a big movie guy which is why I was looking for some of your opinion :thumb: After briefly looking at those I think There Will Be Blood will be the one I check out. Regarding TDKR, after all the things I have read in here I need to watch it more intently the second time. I think a lot of people are just in awe watching it the first time and miss some important elements. At least I know I was.

I'm gonna' do the same soon.

I may just pick these all up just to see what Reaper views as a great movie. You obviously are into movies and while I think your taste is probably not necessarily my taste, I'm interested in opening up my mind a bit.

Maybe a better list for this purpose would be to try and compare apples to apples. Here are some of my favorite action(ish) films from the last five years:

2011: shit, umm, Drive? Last year wasn't great for me in terms of action.
2010: True Grit? I guess crime movies like A Prophet and Animal Kingdom count too. Also, Red Cliff - the director's cut.
2009: The Hurt Locker , Inglorious Basterds, District 9
2008: Iron Man, The Dark Knight (I guess)
2007: No Country for Old Men only comes to mind. American Gangster if we're counting crime films; I have a soft spot for it.

I'll add the ones I haven't seen to my list as well. I really used to be a movie guy and I think kids have just killed that....we don't watch many movies let alone live tv. But, I know you are a movie guy, so I'm going to check them out.

That's a good list. From your other list, I really wanna see Winters Bone. There Will Be Blood was awesome. Daniel Day Lewis is great. Did you know I've never seen The Last of the Mohicans? I don't know how. I love Daniel Day Lewis as stated previously, but that's just one movie I've never set time aside to watch. One day soon...

Winter's Bone is excellent.

IIRC the guy says something like, "You're evil". Bane responds, "I'm a necessary evil". Then snaps his neck.

I think we all knew this already but this vid helps confirm it. Banes voice was changed after the IMAX preview to make it more clear. I still think the final Bane sound mix was over the top. He doesnt even sound like hes in the same room at times with other actors in the scene.



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Yeah, it definitely pulled me out of the movie several times. It sounded like some amateur mixed the sound. It was definitely evident in the plane.

Personally, I thought they should have had subtitles for him.

Either. Some thugs break in with guns and start making trades and they have no process in place that doesnt allow the trades to go through the whole system? come on, that wasnt a suspend belief comic book/fantasy moment in the film.

Assuming I'm not getting stuff mixed up, it was in that scene, but I don't think that was the line I'm missing...

Eh, maybe I'm getting it mixed up with a different scene. I thought there was another line or 2 after "I'm Gotham's reckoning" that I missed. Guess I'll have to see it again. ;)

That's where I'm at and got lambasted for saying it.

I thought they did a great job of making Bane look huge and intimidating. I was talking with a friend and said he had to be like 6'4" 240 lbs. So I went to Google and found out Hardy is only 5'10" and 198 lbs (put on 30 for the role). Excellent job of using camera angles.

You were watching a movie about a billionaire ninja who wears a bat costume to fight heavily armed bad guys with his bare hands.

And he managed to board the other Batwing, take off AND not be seen by Blake and the others on the bridge?

For those whining about how "unbelievable" things were, here's a little refresher about the last film.

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Ill just say this.......making a good "genre" movie is mostly about creating a believable world and then sticking to the rules you have created within that. Nolan has done a tremendous job of that.


Of course there are outlandish things that could never happen in real life. Its fiction based off a comic book.

I'd watch Rises over There Will Be Blood 100 times out of 100.

Self-Indulgent art-house flicks that serve to give 'film-buffs' something to jerk off to while assuaging the ego of guys like Daniel Day-Lewis without actually being, I dunno, entertaining just don't do much for me.

Movie snobs can lick my taint.

"Self-indulgent" is one of those terms, like "pretentious" that doesn't mean anything anymore. They're terms used nowadays in place of saying "this person or thing doesn't align with my tastes."

TWBB is tremendously entertaining, if one is entertained by tension, deep character examination, camerawork that has an understanding of the artform, incredible acting (from Day-Lewis and Dano), and themes that are actually explored as themes (as opposed to the, say, Nolan Batman trilogy, which throws out buzzwords like 'justice' and 'authority' and 'fear' and etc. in a statement by some character and then doesn't bother to explore or complicate those buzzwords very much).

And, as always when defensive accusations of snobbery start getting tossed around, I have to iterate that this isn't an either/or thing. It's OK to be entertained by inconsequential popcorn cinema AND art-house cinema. I watch both and I'm entertained by both. That I expect more from a director like Christopher Nolan doesn't change that.

Yeah I love TDKR and There Will Be Blood both. I'd pop either of those ****ers in my PS3 to watch any time.

What?

Just because you don't use the term correctly doesn't mean it doesn't have an operative definition. There Will Be Blood qualifies. Yes, Daniel Day Lewis did a great job; he always does. But the whole movie was just an exercise in him showing he's a great actor. As I watched it, all I could see was John Lovitz and John Lithgow yelling "ACTING! BRILLIANT! Thank You!"

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Yeah, we get it Dan; you can act. Now how 'bout the movie actually go somewhere? You can do both, Y'know? 'No Country' proved it.

On the flip-side, every Wes Anderson movie is fairly self-indulgent these days but I actually like those.

When someone says "Damn, watch better movies" to people that aren't willing to nitpick a movie that has a billionaire ninja, the 'accusations' of snobbery are justified. You clearly weren't willing to just let this be an either/or issue when you start castigating folks for not demanding reality in their cinema.

"Self-indulgent" and "pretentious" still mean the same things they always did.

Nope, you were right, there's another line in between. I couldn't understand it fully but, after he says "I'm Gotham's reckoning", he says something like, "Here to end the (indistinguishable) that you've all been getting on" (or something like that). I'll listen better next show.

"I'm Gotham's reckoning, here to end the borrowed time that you've all been living on."

until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a spinal cord injury, STFU

Of course I wasn't willing to let it be an either/or issue. It's not an either/or issue. I was being an asshole, sure, duh. I was being an asshole because it seemed like people's perspective on film was limited, that they were willing to excuse poor screenwriting because they figured that was as good as they are going to get from Hollywood movies. I certainly could have stated as much in the first place, but I chose to be an asshole.

I won't argue the merits of TWBB or even argue that it isn't self-indulgent. I'll just say that Nolan is an incredibly self-indulgent filmmaker with respect to plot machinations, and TDKR is him at his most self-indulgent. Sometimes that works for me (The Prestige) and other times I think it detracts from otherwise decent films (Inception, TDKR).

So it seems pointless to even bring it up that you'd rather watch TDKR over TWBB because of TWBB's self-indulgence. At best, you've set forth an argument between us where both films are. And what I have to say to that is: "Well, okay."

Of course they do. But they are most frequently encountered when someone is using them incorrectly.

Until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a bulging disc, STFU.

A bulging disc doesn't just get knocked into place; in fact it clearly wasn't a bulging disk that Wayne had (it was, I guess, a displaced vertebra).

A bulging disc is essentially a weakening of the walls between the vertebra that hold the discs in place. As they weaken, they can no longer hold the disc in place and the compression will force the disc out of alignment. For me, it creates nerve issues and tightens all the muscles in my neck and shoulders to the point of pretty intense pain.

In either event, a bulging disc most assuredly isn't something that's just going to get punched into place. Punch your spine all day if you'd like; you'll never get close to the disc itself; you're just punching yourself in the back.

The problem is that a displaced vertebra is going to create a legitimate spinal cord injury with the amount of movement that Wayne had (the dragging, etc...).

But as previously indicated - who cares? If Nolan didn't have the "Broken bat" scene, the fanboys would've revolted. I think he did a fine job working in some canon here while also making it at least an acceptable stretching of medical truth.

Wait, what?

Oh rly?

IMO, this film is good. But I wouldn't call it great.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469494/trivia?tab=gf


Just sayin'.

I couldn't agree more.

To the first and third points: when I was speaking about "picking apart" I was speaking only for my own posts in this thread, which were mostly focused on how choices made in the script affected character arcs and overall film effectiveness. I haven't been up in arms in this thread over continuity errors or anachronisms. So read correctly, my post about great films not being able to be picked apart means that great films don't sacrifice character for plot machinations, or etc.

To the second point, I never exactly claimed that Winter's Bone (or for that matter, TWBB) is great. Just that it was my favorite movie of that year. I brought up favorite movies in the first place only as a way of quickly recommending some movies to the couple of posters who asked me to.

Almost looks like Cyclops.

Go completely street and use something in the area as a weapon or use his surroundings to his advantage or just fight dirty to win and survive.

That is a great list. So many action movies come out that just plain suck (eg Expendables, Green Lantern) it is hard to discern sometimes which will be the diamonds in the rough. For some reason True Grit is not something I have seen even though I hear good things. I guess it is because the lady doesn't like it. Although she loved Inglorious Bastards, as did I, so now do I re-watch that or True Grit. Hmm.

The guy said we need to put this bone that is sticking out of your back back in. Thats not a bulging disc. :harumph: