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R8RFAN 11-23-2011 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 8135835)
yeah, but how much debt does he have?

NADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kysirsoze 11-23-2011 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8135856)
I apologize for lying, this is what Mel Kiper said about jameatloaf

I thought it looked familiar. I figured he made a lot of dumbass statements about mediocre to bad QBs. I stand by my response.

BossChief 11-23-2011 01:57 PM

I mean, really.

I was against putting in a claim because I truly believe in Stanzi once he gets a shot...but I didnt know about the comp pick part.

IIRC, the comp pick is relative to the round the player was originally drafted so, we would essentially be getting a 4th round pick for 2 million?

For a team in need of quality depth and a few starters, that's a no brainer IMO.

Rasputin 11-23-2011 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8135826)
"Kyle Orton is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team -- on the practice field, in that locker room," ESPN's Mel Kiper said at the time. "Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like."

ROFL

I get it why R8turds fan wants orton to be a Chief. So why the hell any Chiefs fan would want him here is beyond me?

There is a reason Orton got cut by the Broncows. He sucks. After all the years of rehash QBs with Carl Peterson, Chiefs fans still want to do the same damn thing. **** ing dumb.

Titty Meat 11-23-2011 02:00 PM

Sounds like Orton is a bitch.

BigMeatballDave 11-23-2011 02:03 PM

Chiefs are 4-6. Why would he want to come here?

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-23-2011 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8135875)
Chiefs are 4-6. Why would he want to come here?

Not up to him

The Franchise 11-23-2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 8135868)
ROFL

I get it why R8turds fan wants orton to be a Chief. So why the hell any Chiefs fan would want him here is beyond me?

There is a reason Orton got cut by the Broncows. He sucks. After all the years of rehash QBs with Carl Peterson, Chiefs fans still want to do the same damn thing. **** ing dumb.

1. The FO has shown no intent on giving Stanzi snaps.
2. Orton would actually help develop the WRs and Oline.
3. Even if he refuses to play.....we'll just sit him and collect a comp pick.
4. It ****s over the Bears.

BigMeatballDave 11-23-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8135856)
I apologize for lying, this is what Mel Kiper said about jameatloaf

Posting bogus info is a bannible offense.

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8135877)
Not up to him

He doesn't have to report, so it kind of is.

I believe he will though. Him saying he's told certain teams he wont report is because he wants to go back to Chicago. Him not reporting to a team doesn't help him in trying to land a starting gig next season.

Titty Meat 11-23-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8135879)
1. The FO has shown no intent on giving Stanzi snaps.
2. Orton would actually help develop the WRs and Oline.
3. Even if he refuses to play.....we'll just sit him and collect a comp pick.
4. It ****s over the Bears.


How in the **** do you come to this conclusion?

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-23-2011 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8135883)
He doesn't have to report, so it kind of is.

Well if he wants to give up 2.6 m for 6 weeks

BigMeatballDave 11-23-2011 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8135877)
Not up to him

No shit. But, he doesn't have to report.

BoneKrusher 11-23-2011 02:08 PM

times almost up, we should know within the next hour who claimed him.

it wasnt the Texans, they just signed K Clemons.

Spott 11-23-2011 02:08 PM

Anyone that wants this retread on our team needs to have their head examined.

Titty Meat 11-23-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 8135888)
Anyone that wants this retread on our team needs to have their head examined.

I was against it yesterday but today I've switched. If he doesn't want to be here I welcome the distraction that will help us lose and we'll get a comp pick for him.

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8135894)
I was against it yesterday but today I've switched. If he doesn't want to be here I welcome the distraction that will help us lose and we'll get a comp pick for him.

I dont think we get the comp pick if he doesn't come.

Hammock Parties 11-23-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 8135888)
Anyone that wants this retread on our team needs to have their head examined.

We need a stopgap if we draft a rookie next year.

We also need someone to push Stanzi if he's going to be given a shot to start.

dirk digler 11-23-2011 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8135803)
Ummm.....what? No we couldn't.

No we couldn't what?

BigMeatballDave 11-23-2011 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8135884)
How in the **** do you come to this conclusion?

Orton has a ton more experience than Palko or Stanzi. Duh.

Bane 11-23-2011 02:12 PM

Stay classy bitches /Matt Cassel

BoneKrusher 11-23-2011 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8135898)

We also need someone to push Stanzi if he's going to be given a shot to start.

exactly and that isnt Cassel or Palko.

BossChief 11-23-2011 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8135879)
1. The FO has shown no intent on giving Stanzi snaps.
2. Orton would actually help develop the WRs and Oline.
3. Even if he refuses to play.....we'll just sit him and collect a comp pick.
4. It ****s over the Bears.

1) There is no evidence of this, whatsoever. For all we know, both he and Palko are sharing first team snaps in practice and they are just gonna give Palko a legit shot before moving on......legit meaning 2 or 3 games to show he can run an effective offense.

2) How? He doesnt know the playbook, the players, timing of the offense, the tendancies of the OL...nothing.

3) Would we still get the comp pick if he doesn't report?

4) who cares? Hanie isnt terrible (he isnt good, either) and its not like Orton would come in and be at full speed by the time we play them, anyway.

Titty Meat 11-23-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8135900)
Orton has a ton more experience than Palko or Stanzi. Duh.

So does Thomas Jones. He's done a lot for the team.

pr_capone 11-23-2011 02:15 PM

When does the NFL announce whether he was claimed or cleared waivers?

BigMeatballDave 11-23-2011 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8135908)
So does Thomas Jones. He's done a lot for the team.

LOL seriously? Orton is only 29 and NOT a RB.

BoneKrusher 11-23-2011 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8135909)
When does the NFL announce whether he was claimed or cleared waivers?

4;00 pm

OnTheWarpath15 11-23-2011 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8135909)
When does the NFL announce whether he was claimed or cleared waivers?

In about 45 minutes, IIRC.

kysirsoze 11-23-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8135916)
In about 45 minutes, IIRC.

Pins and needles....

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8135899)
No we couldn't what?

We couldn't force someone to make a deal for Orton. He's a UFA.

Titty Meat 11-23-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8135913)
LOL seriously? Orton is only 29 and NOT a RB.

Thomas Jones is a leader he can teach young guys!!!!!

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-23-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8135908)
So does Thomas Jones. He's done a lot for the team.

The reason Jones is so disliked around here is because he's compared to and splits time with Charles.

Orton would be compared to and split time with Palko.

Ya...

Rasputin 11-23-2011 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8135879)
1. The FO has shown no intent on giving Stanzi snaps.
2. Orton would actually help develop the WRs and Oline.
3. Even if he refuses to play.....we'll just sit him and collect a comp pick.
4. It ****s over the Bears.

Are you kidding me?

First off, the reason I believe we havn't seen Stanzi is due to the lock out & he got the shaft from that. Second he did suit up finally for the game on sunday so he is in uniform to play. Now it's a matter of Palko screwing up enough for the coaches to decide if they want to pull him for Stanzi. I am holding out on hope that Stanzi will take over when getting his opportunity.

Right now Stanzi is one Palko injury away from hitting the field, so why would we endanger that opportunity for Stanzi by bringing in a lame dick QB? Why would a Chiefs fan even have the consept of bringing in Orton here now. It's just asinine to think.

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 8135925)
The reason Jones is so disliked around here is because he's compared to and splits time with Charles.

Orton would be compared to and split time with Palko.

Ya...

I think the reason Jones is disliked is because he's of very little value and should have retired 2 years ago when the Chiefs picked him up.

dirk digler 11-23-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8135921)
We couldn't force someone to make a deal for Orton. He's a UFA.

I never said anything about forcing anything. All I said was if we claim him there might be a certain team(s) willing to give something up for him. That is the only reason why I would make a claim for him.

If he decides he doesn't want to come here we just place him on the reserved\left squad list and we own his rights until we decide he comes off that list. Like what TB did to Plummer

kysirsoze 11-23-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 8135925)
The reason Jones is so disliked around here is because he's compared to and splits time with Charles.

Orton would be compared to and split time with Palko.

Ya...

Split time with Palko? He'd either start or he wouldn't.

BoneKrusher 11-23-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 8135932)
Split time with Palko? He'd either start or he wouldn't.

if he cant beat out Palko we dont need him.

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-23-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8135927)
I think the reason Jones is disliked is because he's of very little value and should have retired 2 years ago when the Chiefs picked him up.

that too.

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8135931)
I never said anything about forcing anything. All I said was if we claim him there might be a certain team(s) willing to give something up for him. That is the only reason why I would make a claim for him.

If he decides he doesn't want to come here we just place him on the reserved\left squad list and we own his rights until we decide he comes off that list. Like what TB did to Plummer

So you are assuming the Chiefs extend him if he does come here?

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-23-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 8135932)
Split time with Palko? He'd either start or he wouldn't.

by split... meaning he'd be competing... jesus don't be an idiot.

Spott 11-23-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8135898)
We need a stopgap if we draft a rookie next year.

We also need someone to push Stanzi if he's going to be given a shot to start.

There's no reason to have another shitty QB like Cassel on this roster and we certainly aren't going to win more than a game or 2 this year with or without him. He won't play here next year anyways so there's no point in signing him if we do finally draft a QB in the 1st round next year.

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-23-2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8135942)
So you are assuming the Chiefs extend him if he does come here?

If they brought him in, I think it'd be too early to make that call. If you did bring him here, it'd be with the intent to evaluate him vs Cassell. Give him a month and a half and then make a decision. You don't predetermine jack squat.

BossChief 11-23-2011 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8135931)
I never said anything about forcing anything. All I said was if we claim him there might be a certain team(s) willing to give something up for him. That is the only reason why I would make a claim for him.

If he decides he doesn't want to come here we just place him on the reserved\left squad list and we own his rights until we decide he comes off that list. Like what TB did to Plummer

link?

Plummer was traded, not sure if there is a difference there or not.

OnTheWarpath15 11-23-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8135949)
link?

Plummer was traded, not sure if there is a difference there or not.

Plummer also had more than 6 weeks left on his contract, IIRC.

dirk digler 11-23-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8135942)
So you are assuming the Chiefs extend him if he does come here?

Why would we need to extend him? All I am saying is that maybe the Bears think they have a legit shot at the SB this year and need a QB so they might be willing to offer a draft pick in exchange for his services.

Los Pollos Hermanos 11-23-2011 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8135965)
Why would we need to extend him? All I am saying is that maybe the Bears think they have a legit shot at the SB this year and need a QB so they might be willing to offer a draft pick in exchange for his services.

Because the trade deadline has passed?

kcxiv 11-23-2011 02:36 PM

We will see Stanzi by halftime of the Pitt game. When Pitt brings the pressure and Palko misses everything but -2 yard wr passes, Haley will have no choice.

We WILL see Stanzi this year and for more then a few games imo. Stanzi is the ONLY card left Haley has to play to save his job. Unless he doesnt want to coach in KC anymore lol

pr_capone 11-23-2011 02:36 PM

I, for one, would welcome neckbeard in KC. Anything resembling an actual NFL QB would be a welcome addition to this team.

/show Stanzi the ropes?

dirk digler 11-23-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8135949)
link?

Plummer was traded, not sure if there is a difference there or not.

My bad they were going to place him on that list if he failed to join but he retired instead which nullified the trade. So I guess the Donkeys still own his rights.

kysirsoze 11-23-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8135936)
if he cant beat out Palko we dont need him.

Compensatory pick

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 8135943)
by split... meaning he'd be competing... jesus don't be an idiot.

Split doesn't mean competing. Say what you mean, dumb****.

BossChief 11-23-2011 02:37 PM

The trade deadline past a long time ago.

Week 6 IIRC.

If we want to trade him, we would have to claim him, re-sign him (to a tradeable contract that he agrees to) and then find a suitor NEXT YEAR.

dirk digler 11-23-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 8135974)
Because the trade deadline has passed?

I am stupid

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8135965)
Why would we need to extend him? All I am saying is that maybe the Bears think they have a legit shot at the SB this year and need a QB so they might be willing to offer a draft pick in exchange for his services.

My palm is firmly planted on my face right now.

Los Pollos Hermanos 11-23-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8135986)
I am stupid

No wonder you were put up for adoption.

:)

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-23-2011 02:40 PM

joshklingler

#Chiefs Todd Haley does not answer if the team put in a claim on Kyle Orton "anything internally, personnel moves, things like that you know I have to keep in confidence of our walls"

Carlota69 11-23-2011 02:41 PM

Comp draft pick(4th rounder?). Cockblock the Bears( who we play). Have an NFL QB who has played more than 10 series of regular season football action. piss off Orton for claiming him.

I say Claim him. We have nothing to lose. Nothing.

kc rush 11-23-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 8135995)
No wonder you were put up for adoption.

:)

:LOL: Ouch.

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 8135999)
Comp draft pick(4th rounder?). Cockblock the Bears( who we play). Have an NFL QB who has played more than 10 series of regular season football action. piss off Orton for claiming him.

I say Claim him. We have nothing to lose. Nothing.

Hunt does. Which is why we wont claim him.

Carlota69 11-23-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8135996)
joshklingler

#Chiefs Todd Haley does not answer if the team put in a claim on Kyle Orton "anything internally, personnel moves, things like that you know I have to keep in confidence of our walls"

Long version of "We claimed him."

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-23-2011 02:44 PM

I bet the skins put a claim in on him.

Carlota69 11-23-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136002)
Hunt does. Which is why we wont claim him.

Not if Orton doesnt report, which is a big possibility.

BigMeatballDave 11-23-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8135986)
I am stupid

Admitting you have a problem is the first step :)

rageeumr 11-23-2011 02:45 PM

The Stanzi man crush that some have around here amuses the hell out of me. Name me one QB taken in the 5th round or later in the last 15 years (not named Tom Brady) that you'd want over Cassel. Matt Hasselbeck and Marc Bulger in their prime, maybe. That's it.

Stanzi played in a high-profile program in college. He's not some diamond in the rough. Every scout in the NFL knows exactly what he can do, and every team passed on him at least 4 times.

I understand the "Let's see what he's got" mentality, but the fact is that the coaches already have a pretty good idea what he's got. They obviously don't think he's the guy.

dirk digler 11-23-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 8135995)
No wonder you were put up for adoption.

:)

LMAO Probably. I totally forgot about something as insignificant as the trade deadline lol

Ok so I hope the Chiefs don't put a claim in for Orton I would rather roll with Palko and Stanzi and end up 4-12 and get a Top 5 draft pick.

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-23-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 8135982)

Split doesn't mean competing. Say what you mean, dumb****.

You really are stupid.

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rageeumr (Post 8136015)
The Stanzi man crush that some have around here amuses the hell out of me. Name me one QB taken in the 5th round or later in the last 15 years (not named Tom Brady) that you'd want over Cassel. Matt Hasselbeck and Marc Bulger in their prime, maybe. That's it.

Stanzi played in a high-profile program in college. He's not some diamond in the rough. Every scout in the NFL knows exactly what he can do, and every team passed on him at least 4 times.

I understand the "Let's see what he's got" mentality, but the fact is that the coaches already have a pretty good idea what he's got. They obviously don't think he's the guy.

I like how everyone says this and then takes out the one person who destroys their argument.

Carlota69 11-23-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8136018)
LMAO Probably. I totally forgot about something as insignificant as the trade deadline lol

Ok so I hope the Chiefs don't put a claim in for Orton I would rather roll with Palko and Stanzi and end up 4-12 and get a Top 5 draft pick.

But we get a comp draft pick if we claim him. And if he doesnt report, we still get the pick and we dont have to pay his salary. Plus we **** over the Bears, and Orton. I say go for it.

BigMeatballDave 11-23-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 8136011)
Not if Orton doesnt report, which is a big possibility.

I'm not buying that he would not report. It would be stupid for him to do that.

pr_capone 11-23-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 8136011)
Not if Orton doesnt report, which is a big possibility.

If we claim him and he doesn't report, we own him into next season which would ****ing rock because then we can trade his ass and hopefully get *SOMETHING* for him.

I would rather claim him and he not report than not claim him at all.

The Franchise 11-23-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136024)
I like how everyone says this and then takes out the one person who destroys their argument.

And I love how everyone uses Tom Brady to assume that every QB taken in the 5th-7th round could be the next Hall of Famer.

BUT TOM BRADY DID IT!

Carlota69 11-23-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8136027)
If we claim him and he doesn't report, we own him into next season which would ****ing rock because then we can trade his ass and hopefully get *SOMETHING* for him.

I would rather claim him and he not report than not claim him at all.

Yep. By claiming him we really dont lose anything, but we could gain alot.

pr_capone 11-23-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8136031)
And I love how everyone uses Tom Brady to assume that every QB taken in the 5th-7th round could be the next Hall of Famer.

BUT TOM BRADY DID IT!

I understand that... but can we at least give the guy a few snaps before chucking him into the scrap heap?

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-23-2011 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8136031)
And I love how everyone uses Tom Brady to assume that every QB taken in the 5th-7th round could be the next Hall of Famer.

BUT TOM BRADY DID IT!

Isn't that why we waited to take Stanzi in the 5th rather than the 3rd? He's a sure thing now!

The Franchise 11-23-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8136027)
If we claim him and he doesn't report, we own him into next season which would ****ing rock because then we can trade his ass and hopefully get *SOMETHING* for him.

I would rather claim him and he not report than not claim him at all.

He's a FA next year. We wouldn't own him unless we gave him a new contract or slapped the Franchise tag on him.

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-23-2011 02:50 PM

JasonLaCanforaJason La Canfora


Pretty strong suspicion Kyle Orton about to become a Chicago Bear. Waiver deadline is in a few minutes

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8136031)
And I love how everyone uses Tom Brady to assume that every QB taken in the 5th-7th round could be the next Hall of Famer.

BUT TOM BRADY DID IT!

I'm not. This team doesn't have a QB. Stanzi looked to be the most promising QB on the team in preseason...

Stanzi has this thing called "potential." Just like every other top QB in the league.

pr_capone 11-23-2011 02:51 PM

How ****ing pathetic is this. I am so desperate for ANY positive news for the Chiefs that I'm all atwitter over the possibility of a Dungver reject.

Titty Meat 11-23-2011 02:51 PM

Well shit LaCanFora is usually right.

Los Pollos Hermanos 11-23-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 8136025)
But we get a comp draft pick if we claim him. And if he doesnt report, we still get the pick and we dont have to pay his salary. Plus we **** over the Bears, and Orton. I say go for it.

The NFL doesn't have to award us a comp pick for him. In all likely hood, they wouldn't give us a comp pick for a player that didn't play but 5-6 games and the Chiefs gave up nothing for.

$2.5 million is a pretty big gamble.

The Franchise 11-23-2011 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8136034)
I understand that... but can we at least give the guy a few snaps before chucking him into the scrap heap?

I'm all for it. People must be assuming that because I wanted Orton here...that I didn't want Stanzi to get reps. I just don't see any indication that this FO is willing to give him those reps.

If I was Haley.....Stanzi would have gotten the start after Cassel went down. Palko is shit. He's proven that he doesn't have it and the probably never will.


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