Danny Clinkscale has reported multiple times that the door is locked when he tries to leave.

I've heard Frank and him talk about it on the radio and NEVER heard Frank say they took the lock off. Quite the opposite in fact.

I have no reason to doubt what you say about Frank and Jack (that Peterson implemented the policy) but the FACT is that the door has been locked (or continues to be, if Peterson implemented the policy) since Pioli arrived. Several members of both the 810 and 610 staff have said so.

I've never heard them talk about "bugs" or microphones. I'm talking solely about bathroom escorts.

I wonder how the rest of the Hunt family, particularly Norma, feels about Clark turning the franchise into Douche City.

Yes, I have actually worked and continue to work in corporate america. I can't help what you've heard about or haven't heard about. I've worked in R & D areas that make this article seem like nothing.

So if the door was locked under Peterson, why is it such a big deal NOW? How come it wasn't a big deal then?

How do other conferences work for other teams? Do we know if any other teams have adopted this policy?

If half the NFL has adopted this policy, does that still make the Chiefs the bad guys?

The media reported the day after Haley was fired the doors were unlocked and stayed unlocked for a couple of weeks. The theory was they were trying to make Haley look like the control freak. The doors are back to being locked now.

That's a great question. Peterson was universally hated by the KC media. I have to believe that if the doors were locked, especially during the Herm era, we would have heard about it. My only guess is that it wasn't a big deal because it never happened. I have heard guys like Clinkscale say that it STARTED when Pioli arrived.

I don't know. Then again, you'd think if this was happening elsewhere, somebody would say something right? The rumors about the Chiefs have been sprinkled in the national Internet media for two years. The same things aren't being said about other teams so what conclusion can we draw?

Of course not. But again, so far we're only hearing this stuff about the Chiefs.

The only thing I saw in the article that absolutely is a problem if true is the bugging of cellphones. That would be mindblowingly bad for all involved. That said, I'm gonna need some more evidence than paranoid second hand mutterings of a coach about to be fired. And no, other employees saying "I wouldn't be surprised, etc." is not evidence.

If I missed the case beyond that, please feel free to point it out.

I highly doubt they were monitoring cell phones.

And Haley is ****ing crazy, that's a fact.

Depends on what you choose to believe. For example, all this talk about taping conversations and tapping cell phones, there are serious legal ramifications that could come from doing things like that without consent. I highly doubt the organization would be stupid enough to go that route.

Todd Haley sitting there talking about his personal phone being bugged, I don't buy it at all. First, that's illegal, and if they did that to you, you could probably bring a lawsuit against the team if that happened. For a guy who has sued McDonalds, he shouldn't have a problem filing a lawsuit against the team. Second, if you are truly that paranoid, again, it is your personal cell according to the article. Go get a new one...

Exactly.

You are right. What's going to hurt Pioli's case is he came from an organization that used illegal techniques to spy on other teams and got caught doing it. Then McDaniels went to Denver and still tried it. They have a background of espionage.

And yes I really just wanted to be the first person in history to use the word espionage in a post and actually be talking about the Chiefs.

The Chiefs don't want him fapping in the men's room.

I can vaguely recall stories/rumors that Clark despised Carl, hate
Must want to purge his cronnies/informants without paying severance

I think it's more "fire the old people with years of service, then hire in young people with less experience for lower wages."

It's the Chiefs.
Follow the dollars.

BTW: Mark Donovan is monitoring this thread. Hi Mark!

Taping personal cell phones would be illegal but everything else is fair game. Businesses can monitor work phones and tape conversations all day long as long as they have consent and as long as it is in the ordinary course of business.

That brings me back to Carl hiring Gretz to write a Chiefs blog on his dime after his firing
there's some grinding on at least two sides

Yes. One has to wonder however if the accusations or rumors of spying come from the fact that Pioli comes from the organization that brought us Spygate, and people start assuming stuff, or is it based on reality?

The problem here is that perception is reality. The organization has a lot of work ahead of itself to convince people this is not the case...

Yep. End of story. This is happening everywhere.

Pepsi Max, the Official soft drink of the NFL and ESPECIALLY the Kansas City Chiefs.

Now we know why!

Source/link...? Gretz was let go before Carl was...

Well that's the thing, it is implied in this article that there was no consent.

If I am an employee, and I sign that form that says I understand that my emails, calls and conversations in the team facility may be monitored, then I understand what I am getting into, and won't be sending racy emails, making unauthorized calls to media to leak info, or harassing employees in meeting rooms, because you figure that's part of the reason they'd want to have those monitors in place, for stuff like that...

And again, that's part of the problem.

This FO won't try to convince anyone. They've done nothing so far to quash all of these rumors.

Sadly, it falls under CP urban legend that Gretz's blog is on Carl's dime
Even Gretz admitting to it

Not sure how you go about doing that outside of publicly denying it (which they did in the article), and privately explaining the situation to anyone who you want to hire, or clarifying whatever policy it is to existing employees.

The telling thing will be in terms of whether we are able to lure a good offensive coordinator to come here or not. If we have to promote internally, then I'd think this stuff has something to do with it. If we are able to lure a good coordinator candidate from another team in here, then I'll be confident that this isn't going to affect us in NFL circles...

Hard to tell. The company I work for hands out a standard form they sign on the first day they show up to work.

If I was the Chiefs I would have had a damage control piece out on the Chiefs website Sunday morning. They just seem to let it keep on coming. Wait till Outside the Lines or Charlie Robinson start to dig into and really blow up.

They fired Rufus Dawes too soon!

Brings back memories of Rufus Dawes... :)

The only thing this organization can do now to fix this is win.

Pioli, from his interview with Hunt forward, has been clear that he believes winning teams come from winning organizations. It is a culture that starts at the top and permeates every job from secretary to grounds keeper.

If you remember, after the first draft Pioli fired the entire scouting organization with the exception of two scouts. Those fired were because they did not buy into the new approach and work hard to learn the new system. Pioli accepts no excuses he expects everyone to buy into the system, perform their job the way it is expected and to the best of their ability.

NFL football is about competing not just on the field, but throughout the entire organization. Organizations win championships not just players. I'm glad the Chiefs finally have a GM that understands this fact.

Too bad he also sucks a large amount of cock.

Thanks Scott :thumb:

I don't get the whole talking in 3rd person thing though

Maybe he shouldn't have fired the scouts that actually brought the talent to this team.

I wonder how many KC reporters go around Arrowhead and secretly drop gum wrappers around the facility.

Haley used to have "CHIEFS WILL" written on the wall leading out to the field, and on T-Shirts and such.

Romeo has a new slogan for 2012:

CHIEFS 2012
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

And these posters will now be issued and posted in ALL Arrowhead offices:

http://i42.tinypic.com/vzkadt.gif

You left out Team Song: Rockwell - Somebody's Watching Me.

Why do you think they lock em all in one room?

This would be good at kickoff!

Wow, 40 pages of this drivel

We got GoChiefs some material now for a video. Go find some spy shit and play the Michael Jackson song in the background.

We don't have shit for a video.

I scanned the last few pages so if someone already mentioned this, stuff it up your ass.

Peter King just linked to this article in MMQB, he averages at least 2 million readers a week during the season so you could probably safely double or triple that number for the playoffs.

This is embarrassing for the Chiefs and Pioli, shit just got real and the national spotlight is now shining directly on everyone involved.

getnickwrightnick wright


Nothing like chatting with corporate attorneys before the show... The #Chiefs are shook up on this one, y'all... 2pm should be splendid.

He also called out Haley to go on the record with his accusations and set the story straight one way or another.

I anxiously await Todd Haley's response...

Gotta say this isn't helping us from a hiring power perspective.

I'm gonna bet he refutes it. Why risk not only legal trouble over the allegation, but hurting his chances of getting another gig?

That, and the cell phone thing might be bullshit.

so far he has not sucked cock ...


a few mistakes to start off with ... the type of mistakes that teams throughout the NFL makes ALL the time.

wrong choice of QB ... endlessly made in the NFL
wrong head coach ... made constantly
drafting the wrong guy or drafting them too early ... every year,every team, countless draft rounds

Pioli hasn't been great or terrible yet ... the grade is incomplete.

Fellatio at it's finest.

I don't think Haley is allowed to speak about anything while he's being paid off by the Chiefs. He's basically still under "contract" because he had one more year to go. I think they have to sign an agreement that they will not discuss anything about working for the Chiefs unless the Chiefs allow it, and that ain't gonna happen.

These two are so big that it's difficult not to give him a failing grade to this point, with the possibility of recovering of course.

That's an unknown. Do coaches we have our eye on care anything about crap like this? Maybe. Maybe not. I'm sure everyone in the NFL knows more about the Haley / Pioli feud than we do. Wonder what side they come down on? I'm guessing coaches would care much more about the particulars of Haley's treatment more than employee treatment in general.

you would know, Mrsuckcockforaliving.

saying Pioli isn't great or terrible is hardly being a homer

i notice you didn't deny any of the things i listed. Because you know it's true.

1. finding an elite QB is incredibly difficult
2. Head coaches boom/bust all the time
3. every year, every team screws up about half of their draft picks

all truth ... so stop your incessant whining and go suck another cock for extra beer money.

Rockwell sez what's up.

fair enough

he's moved on from the HC already, now lets just hope to hell something good happens with the QB situation.

But Pioli "knew more about Cassel than anyone else." That was the CP line of trust when the trade occurred.

Thus, Cassel's failings are more damning in terms of Pioli's ability to evaluate talent. Same thing with the '09 draft, which was Pioli essentially operating independently.

Yep. 'Bout all we can do.

If you can't find even an average QB, or a HC, in three years, you suck a large amount of penis. Let's not kid ourselves here.

Looks like he found both.

I fear you are overstating things a tad, Mr. chiefzilla1501.

You should experience security at the Intel campus. They make you feel like they think you stole money from your grandmother's wallet.

Some companies feel that an extremely high level of secrecy is paramount to maintaining a competitive advantage and the Chiefs don't want anyone to learn about our proprietary Thomas Jones Two Yard Play.

FAX

Nick Wright and his sensationalism is always pretty funny.

Keitzman bowing down at the altar of Pioli/Hunt...what a gutless POS.

Nick Wright is right on today.

What's he saying?

Common knowledge, read the book the, "War Room" as it goes into all this in detail.

My favorite parts are Hunt's thoughts on the Pioli job interview, the part on how Pioli dealt with the scouting department, and the 2011 draft. For example, Pioli traded down because Mike Pouncey was taken. It was also interesting they were trying to move up for Jason Kelce, but he fell off the board so they selected Powe. There is great detail as to why they thought Powe was a better prospect than his general grade from NFL scouting. The book is very interesting and talks a lot about Belichick, Dimitroff and Pioli.

What is he saying, can't listen?

He is taking one in the ass while blowing the other...

He says that he volunteered to brown nose Pioli, but Pioli declined due to the enormity of Wright's snout.

So, instead he's accusing Dr. Evil of being a felon.

FAX

Basically Pioli shouldn't be worried about alot of this crap, instead focus his energy on the football team and that Pioli is basically a scared inscure person.

Nick Wright with the 1 up on the story again over KK.

How KK has a job is beyond me. Hell I could be better than that hack and I really only grasp 50% of what's going on in reality.

He's part owner.

This sums up my feelings almost EXACTLY.

I'm not a fan of lockdown procedures, drawing the shades down, or confiscating pictures taken on a cell phone. I think it's a bit much, but there's a strategic reason for doing that. So I'm not going to get too hung up about that.

To some extent, the front office has to prove that they're serious about enforcing those rules. The problem is, it looks like they're micromanaging to the extent that they're grilling people for minutiae that doesn't seem to contribute to any real competitive advantage. And some of the monitoring procedures are beyond anything I've seen or heard of before. I have plenty of friends who work for top secret projects and organizations. The general consensus is that these organizations are super careful, pound it into your brain to be careful, and make it clear that there are severe consequences for divulging information. But they ultimately treat you like adults and trust that you'll be smart. Many of us operate in a corporate environment where our communications are being monitored and we're flagged even if there's a slight hint of inpropriety. What's worrisome is that it sure seems like they're being monitored for the wrong reasons, and that the Chiefs are using that information to use them against the employee.

Somebody tell me if they've seen an organization operate like this.

Myanmar doesn't exactly have good internet capability..

Pioli and Hunt need to be lead out of arrowhead in handcuffs if true. Haley needs to state this publicly.

I will give people here on cp credit, they want the Chiefs to win. I think that's the reason this so bothersome.

So KK is awful because he questions this report and doesn't automatically jump all over pioli and hunt. Don't get me wrong he is a dumbass on most things, but I dunno about this.

We all wanted change. Now it has happened and we are pissed. I think they have gone too far with some things, but they have also taken a2 and 14 team and contended for the playoffs two years in a row with absolute shit at qb.

That's my gripe. Matt cassel. And I don't like pioli messing with the business side of things but basically cassel.

IMO the Chiefs are pretty similiar to a team playing for the AFC championship.

No one wanted change for change's sake. We wanted change that would lead to better overall management of the franchise.

This hasn't happened, and this is why we're pissed.

His three most important decisions when he arrived (QB, HC, #3 overall pick) were mismanaged, and the first two set this franchise back.

By the way... I tend to agree that you have to veer to one extreme, prove you're serious, and commit to that. So I get a lot of what they're doing. Haley's workout program in the first year was extreme, but he was consistent and the players knew every year that he was serious about it. Herm's commitment to youth... same way. It pissed off a lot of veterans, but it was worth it because he committed to it.

What I'm sensing here is that Pioli is doing the same in KC. He believes that this culture is necessary, and to move it toward the middle, he has to be extreme about how he enforces it. What remains to be seen is on a lot of fronts is if Pioli can make adjustments. On too many fronts, I don't see that. I see a relentless commitment to make this team a living, breathing replica of the Patriots.

The question is how he adjusts to this. He has some big opportunities this offseason to show he's willing to adjust. Will he hire an OC outside of the tree? Will he cut the cord with Cassel? And from this story, he can't act like he's above the media--he needs to come out, make a statement, and answer these questions. And it would be nice to hear that the Chiefs organization takes these concerns very seriously and isn't brushing them off as a bunch of disgruntled employees talking shit about their organization. The ball is in his court. I don't get hung up on mistakes, if the right adjustments are made after the mistake is made.