No, you're wrong.

How am I wrong? What are the chances of a 5th round QB winning a superbowl?

no offense but you need to get off that numbers trip man.

stats sometimes lie.

Sigh.


There's a reason 5th round QBs are 5th round QBs. Expecting any 5th round QB to pan out is insane.

What are the chances of a 1st round QB winning a SB?...

Agreed. The only Chiefs QB he reminds me of ( Not by certain talents ) is Bono. Neither of those guys could carry a team and both had a mirage of a season due to a great rushing game, decent defense and an easy schedule. Heck I think Bono even snuck in the pro bowl as an alternate like Cassel did after his 1995 season.

Of all the superbowls since 1980, all but 13 quarterbacks have been 1st rounders.

I guess expecting a 5th round QB to pan out is insane but it does not mean you should not give him a chance unless he looks like a complete bum. I am in favor of drafting someone else and letting him and Stanzi battle it out or even giving Stanzi a shot this season as I can't imagine him doing worse than Cassels 120 yard games with 56% completion percentage and maybe a TD and a pick.

The worst thing about having to watch Cassel for another season is that our team is set up on both sides of the ball to accommodate a young QB and still be competitive.

We were 4-5 with Cassel last season and 3-4 without him. I think we can get by with just about anyone outside of Palko but I am tired of just getting by. If Stanzi is not ready for a chance ( Maybe he never will be although this is his first offseason ) then I would rather even give Brady Quinn a shot over Cassel. I know what Cassel brings and I don't want that brought anymore.

I know you are joking but there are some who think that way and I don't get it.

If Stanzi succeeds that is still Pioli's pick and he will get the credit. It's not like if Stanzi becomes a pro bowl QB that when people see Pioli they will say hey there is that useless turd who gave up a 2nd round pick and a mega deal to Matt Cassel. I imagine they would say there is that lucky bastard who got a good QB in the 5th round and turned the Chiefs around.

Smile then.

We have a 1st rounder on roster as well as a low round developmental guy...

Cassel does have a tendency to have a good quarter or half when playing teams the quality that the Colts were last season. He made his bread and butter playing against lower tier teams.

I've been saying this for a while without being acknowledged.... glad someone else has brought this up.

It's ****ing common sense...

That 1st rounder was a bust in 2007.

Tom Brady was a nobody till he got a chance.

Quinn is Daboll's training dawg

He played 15 games in 2 years then was pushed to the pine.

I would definitely say the odds are stacked against him but the jury is still out...

Quinn should have the advantage as far as strong arm and knowing the playbook.

Exactly.

So you say.

But I love my cheeseburgers...

Strong arm? Then why are all of his passes outside the numbers in the dirt?

I don't think quinn has a strong arm. he puts a lot of body motion into his longer throws. what he does have that cassel does not, is quick release of the ball. that right there would get the offense in passing sinc if quinn was any good. can't say what he is now, haven't seen him play in years.

I assume Rucker is another TD
remember the players Haley dragged in
:skip: Fair Catch Wade :skip:

Get the **** out of this thread and don't come back...

prolly the same mechanics that makes Matt's passes go end over end.
something thats worth fixing since he's much younger than Castle and a high draft pick,

gladly :D

Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Starting Cassel every week is insane.

if i were in Charge, he'd be riding the pine.

Is that what you kids call
back in Cali surfin' these days

are you the "fan of the future" ???

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If I were in charge he'd be sediment...

No, I'm just annoyed and tired of swatting...

Nice comparison. I bet one of those 3 years was 2008 when Cassel was able to take over the best offense in NFL history one offseason removed and playing an easy schedule.

I am also willing to bet another one of those 3 years was 2010 when Cassel was blessed with the number 1 ranked rushing game ( And still only managed to provide us with the 3rd worst ranked passing offense despite all the teams stacking the box against the rush ), a decent defense and of course the magic ingredient to any appearance of Cassel standing over another QB in the easy schedule.

That stat is really just too broad to be thrown around. What were the surrounding casts of each player in that year? How many of the 3rd down conversions were by run or pass? How many 3rd down attempts were there ( Is Orton possibly doing more on 1st and 2nd down to help prevent his team even reaching 3rd downs? ), what defenses were these 3rd down attempts against?

The passing game got better when Orton took over. Or did Crennel and his defensive genius somehow get credited for that too in support of your argument? With how our rushing game was in shambles due to Charles injury, Jones age, Mccluster being forced to play more touches than he was built for we needed our passing game to step up. It sure didn't with Cassel.

Yes Orton had his mistakes but the guy was playing with an all new team and coming off an injury at the tail end of a season that featured 2 playoff teams and 1 8-8 team. The fact is he was able to make proper changes at the line ( Something I had to laugh at because even Palko was better at reading plays at the line than Cassel, not much of anything else but he was better than Cassel at that ), and was able to get our offense to actually sustain more drives per game than we had with Cassel all year. I guarantee if you gave Orton a full season with this offense it would come out looking better than Cassel any day of the week. Would it be good enough? Probably not but I would bet my bottom dollar that this team had a chance to go farther with Orton than it did with Cassel.

I get it that Orton is gone and I am over it but the facts remain the same. Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, and Matt Flynn would have better promise than the loser.

Not really. We played Green Bay, Oakland and Denver. What teams did Cassel play against?

Not really. It is called consistency and that is something Cassel will never have. Cassel threw more picks in 2009 than Orton ever did in a single season.

But I guess you do tend to throw a few more picks when you consistently attempt to pass the ball over 5 yards or throw to someone other than your first option or your dumpoff option.

You might want to look at their numbers against each other before making a conclusion.

I get it that Orton is not the answer here long term or preferably even longer than a season but Cassel is completely intolerable and every minute that he plays is a minute of one of our now many talented players careers.

Yes, Orton played the Packers, the worst pass defense and overall defense in the league. Nevermind the fact that the defense was able to relegate Rodgers to the sidelines. Or that the offensive coordinator didn't have to clear his play selection with someone first, giving Orton more time for pre-snap reads than any other QB all year.

Packers had the worst D last yr?

Did you notice Palko didnt have the same pre-snap issues Cassel had?

well, hopefully you get over the butthurt and realize brady quinn has a decent arm, but he's no human cannon like rivers, favre etc.

I'd watch him play if he took over, but until he does something other than what he's done in the NFL, I'll remain not a fan of quinn.

I said "looks" this way. You obviously missed that little detail. There's not much reason yet not to think that the Pioli regime is a culture of 'nepotism.'

maybe Cassel just needs a better processor, he seems to have a problem mult-tasking LMAO

I was only half joking. The serious half goes like this: Pioli tied his ego and a lot of Clark's money to Cassel, not to Stanzi.

:) Oh man, I'm taking this to the "post a picture of what you think CP users look like in real life thread," fo sho!

Is that why defenders were constantly in his face almost as soon as he got the ball, causing him to use his patented jump pass over and over again? Or why McCluster was met in the backfield for a loss as soon as the ball got into his hands?

Revisionists history.

He may have had time at the line now and again, just like Cassel, but not with any kind of consistency like Orton.

Didn't they?

It wasn't great, but I don't think it was the worst. I really don't know.

I distinctly remember Palko doing more pre-snap stuff. It was discussed here as well.

You are right about Quinns arm. He does puts his whole body into quite a few of his throws. You can tell by the way his back foot always flails up behind him all the time.

I think you should check.

It was certainly more noticeable. Palko flailed his arms a lot when making line calls. Not always necessary, and not something you often saw Cassel do. You think Cassel just never made adjustments though?

28th in yards and 10th in points.

32nd in yds/gm and 19th in pts/gm. 32nd pass defense. They gave up all those yards, and not as bad with points. Does that mean yards mean nothing?

Where did you get your numbers?

They had the 32nd rated defense in yards given up but they were 19th in points given up. They definitely had a bad year as a unit that had performed quite well the season prior and that is why they drafted like 6 straight defensive players in this years draft if I remember right.

One of the reasons we won that game though was that we were able to keep our offense on the field for sustained drives which Cassel doesn't do consistently throughout a single game let alone several games regardless of what the defense is ranked. Cassel is perfectly capable of stinking it up against the last ranked defense but one thing we do know is that if the defense is good we are without a doubt in for a total stink show.

The defense won that game with the help of the Packers receivers.

Rodgers threw well, and if the D didn't make a decent play on the ball, from time to time they got lucky that the Pack WR's dropped multiple balls. The defense held Aaron Rodgers to just 6.7 ypa for his lowest total of the year. Also the only game they lost, wonder if there's a correlation there.

The d-backs covered well, the front seven sacked Rodgers 4 times and forced two fumbles.

The offense was 4/12 on third down and the rushing game went for 139. 8 of Ortons passes were to RB's for 71 yds. The only touchdown was a rushing TD, they went 1/5 in the redzone and 1/3 on goal to go.

Orton contributed 0 TD's.

He better show me improvement or he and Gene Smith need to skidaddle.

It's not.

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Now I see why drafturbaters are always pissed.

I just love reading that Quinn has proven that he sucks. Hes barely had a chance and has been in awful situations. There were games where he played like a young inexperienced QB(which he was), and there were games where he showed flashes of brilliance like a first round QB(which he was). If hes drafted by a loaded team he starts and never looks back and still would be the starter. He got drafted by a shit team where he was set up to fail.

He has arguably shown less flashes than Cassel. If you watched any games of Quinn in the preseason last year, you would realize he is horrible. It happens. Not all 1st round picks turn out to be even decent players.

Rivers is not a human cannon. Stafford and Cutler fit that description, but not Rivers.

He looked awful in the same offense that Orton looked awful in? Odd. Orton looked pretty dang good the year before in an offense similar to the one where he came here and looked pretty good again also. Tebow looked good when Orton and Quinn didn't because they realized they couldn't pass with that offense.

You have odd definitions of good and bad. Tebow looked bad and they also drastically changed the offense for him.

I'm utterly baffled at people hanging their hope on Brady Quinn as I haven't seen anything there worth it. I'm also baffled at people saying Quinn never had a chance. He's had plenty of chances and has shown nothing for it. The guy has been lucky to hang around as a backup for this long.

Tom Brady was allright at Michigan but coming into the pros expectations were low for him. if Bledsoe hadn't got injured we may never have seen him, he could have just floated around the league as a backup.

I can't believe this thread is still going.

You're all ****ing insane.

Brady Quinn's like the 50th best QB in the NFL. Maybe.

prolly too many post to read but this isn't about how good quinn is now, its about how bad Castle is.

Randy Bobandy FTW!!!

No, it's about Quinn.

Cassel is bad, but he's a ****ing HOFer compared to Quinn.

Quinn should not even be on this team. He's here because we are run by idiots.

If he's 50th best in the league, that means he belongs in the league as a backup. If each team carries 3 QB's then that's 96 QB's taken into the season. Quinn's average!!! :thumb:

I can agree about the comparisons of Quinn and Cassel. Cassel is better.
run by idiots?....that sounds like you are running the team.

To me it is just mind boggling for people to defend a QB who must hand off more than he throws in order for his team to have a chance to win.

I know, how anyone can defend the Sanchize is very mind boggling.

I am a Notre Dame fan who has always been "mehhh" about even wanting Quinn to succeed. He just always seemed like an arrogant, prissy, self-entitled prick to me. Gotta love this Dolphins 2007 1st round selection video....

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Nobody is hanging their hope on Brady Quinn. It's an optomistic look just like those that are calling for Ricky Stanzi.

And where do you get Quinn has had "plenty of chances?". He has had 12 starts over two years for a terrible Browns team in his entire career. That's not even close to what I would call plenty of chances.
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ya, he is. watch him throw a 35yd pass @ 1:05 (actually 40 as it's across field) almost effortlessly.

watch his release at 1:53, it shows how he sets feet and uses upper body only to release the football.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoLQn...eature=related

I think there is a miscommunication going on in this thread.

No one is stating that Brady Quinn is going to be our QBoTF right out of the gate. FFS....he'll probably never get the chance.

What people are saying is that he has the potential to be a good QB.....if given the chance. 12 starts on a shitty Browns team and 2 years riding the pine behind Jesus Christ himself are not viable chances.

So then you obviously have no problem with Pioli now, right, since he brought in the Golden Boy Quinn and addressed our QB problem, right? :evil:

No...because that dipshit ****ed this team by tying himself to Cassel.