To ON? biochem has less fat but less protein as well

It's fine, just overpriced and under protein'd compared to other brands.

I've tried xtend as well. I was comparing it to the comparable ON, not gold standard. I think there's only a 1-2 gram diff in protein levels. as far as the calorie levels go I got no clue on that one lol

Also, I am only recommending gold standard whey from ON. The performance whey is garbage, and the hydrolyzed whey is not only unnecessary and overly expensive, but tastes awful.

Order your protein online. Is way cheaper. Amazon prime has many good powders with free shipping. If you don't have prime, dpsnutrition is a good site. Bodybuilding.com is okay, but you can find stuff cheaper than there on other sites. They have a good selection, though.

Gold standard taste any better? I need to get some more protein, I bought some cheap crap from hyvee that didn't look terrible but they put way to much sweetner in it. My wife doesn't like the taste of the ON chocolate performance I had.

I'm just adding up the calories on the label. 21g protein x 4 cals, 3g fat x 9 cals, 4g carbs x 4 cals. That's not 120 like it says. Weird. Maybe they have to round up on the fat content or something.

I don't like all the gold standard flavors. Some are pretty nasty. My wife doesn't like most powders, either. She likes the cake batter casein and the trutein Cinnabun and pumpkin pie. Myofusions chocolate milk is great, but has 2g of fat and some carbs. Good for maintenance, but not dieting.

The good thing about gold standard is the flavor sample packs they sell, so you can try before you buy. The only flavors of gold I like are the extreme milk chocolate and the toffe caramel fudge. But it's not a meal replacement. It's just a supplement, so it doesn't have to be amazing. That's why I'm more concerned with what's in it than absolute taste. I don't recommend stuff that tastes like ass, though.

You'd be better off just eating the food. It's probably cheaper, too.

Honestly I'm used to chugging protein, this hyvee stuff is unchuggable lol. Hyvee used to sell those individual packs but stopped. what other places have them?

Online

Join a gym instead. It's cheaper and easier to get out of your place when you quit.

I eat red meat every day. Sometimes twice.



Clean the sand out of your vagina and lift some weights! You come off as someone looking for a 'easy way' to do this. This shit is not easy, if it was everyone would be strong and ripped.

One hour into the carb load and I feel like I'm going to yak. All these carbs just don't taste good.

the only one that's sandy is you dear, I'm really not a n00b pillowbitergot - look at my history - At one point my body fat was one of the lowest on this site - ask Clay. & when i'm speaking of getting any advice in this thread - if i don't mention otherwise - assume the question is for Silock and not your stupid ass.

I have the "delicious strawberry" flavor of Gold Standard whey and that shit is amazing.

Any suggestions or sites? Seems like the sample packs are discontinued

Wow, it does look like they are. That ****ing blows. Maybe dpsnutrition has some. Or bodybuilding.com. Beyond those two, I dunno.

I know trutein will sell sample packs for like a buck each.

I still say join a gym. You'll quickly outgrow a machine like that at your house.

Probably why they stopped carrying them at the stores. As much as I hate GNC I wonder if they carry individuals. May run past there or vitamin shoppe today.

Syntrax has some of the best tasting and best mixing protein you can buy.

Syntrax is very good. It's also super expensive lol

You do get what you pay for, though.

Yeah they Nectar stuff is good. Tried the fuzzy navel and carribean ones.. very good.

It is freaking awesome. I get it whenever I can spare the extra expense.

It is also somewhat of a local company. Based in Scott City MO.

Just get off your ass and go to the gym! ;)


j/k..... sort of

If you want something for home just get various sizes of dumbbells.

http://sportsnutritiononline.com/pro...tandard-24-pak

I think you are talking about these. This company rocks and where I order most of my supplements. Always good deals here.

or a power rack and 500lbs worth or plates. :thumb: :D

Day 5:

We'll see how the refeed treats me in the morning. If I did it right, there shouldn't be a lot of bloating. Just a feeling of fullness. But, it's the first week, so I'm bound to have made some mistakes. The workout wasn't nearly as hard as people said it was going to be, even though I stopped short of failure on everything, as instructed. Tomorrow is the Heavy workout day, and I expect to hit all my previous weights, and continue on the progression rate I was scheduled for before I started the diet and new workouts. I haz spreadsheetz to track and log.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...ffd3caf261.jpg

Workout:

Hack Squat - 2 sets, 10 reps
Leg curl - 2 sets, 10 reps
Leg Extension - 2 sets, 10 reps
Seated Leg curl - 2 sets, 8 reps
BB Bench - 2 sets, 12, 10 reps
Seated Cable Row - 2 sets, 12 reps
Incline BB Bench - 2 sets, 10, 8 reps
Pulldown - 2 sets, 12 reps
Lateral raise - 2 sets, 12 reps
Bicep Curls - 2 sets, 12, 8 reps

Nutrition:

Iso-Sensation + Dextrose shake
ON Whey + Dextrose shake
2 cinnamon raisin bagels w/ fat free cream cheese
2 oranges
Fat free pancakes + sugar free syrup + strawberry preserves
140 after dinner pillow mints
21 oz Boulevard Wheat beer (yummy)
Can of Fat Free Pringles Sour Cream n Onion
Ultra Thin Pizza Crust + Light Smart tomato sauce + 1 cup of various fat free cheeses + chicken breast strips
3/4 cake of Angel Food cake + 10 oz strawberries + fat free Cool Whip
Minute Rice + some butter

Targets: 1170g carbs, 50g fat, 167g protein, 5800 cals
Actual: 1106 carbs, 49g fat, 215 protein, 5752 cals

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da **** is up with all that cake?

y u no oreos?

**** yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

Angel food cake is fat free. Oreos have too much fat. The idea behind this carb load is to minimize the fat intake while eating just carbs. Had to get those macros in. After dinner mints were awesome.

Down to 184lbs after 2.5 weeks of cutting calories/carbs. The no bloat effect of limiting carbs feels great. Had to go a notch tighter on the weight lifting belt. Lifts feel a bit heavier but timing my carb ups the night before deads/squat to limit my strength loss on those lifts. Carbing up twice a week. Once cleanly and once not so clean. Pizza and beer tonight!

I would post a progress pic but I am afraid of the "too fat" comment from Omaha. :(

LMAO

He's not using the force. He's staring down Vader after saying "then my father is truly dead."

Dad, I Am Disappoint.

Were you following me around? Sounds a lot like my day....

Day 6:

Slept a long time today. Maybe longer than I should have, but **** it -- I was tired. So, the carb load ended about 12 hours before I actually went to work out. I guess that's okay, because that gave me 36 hours between the last workout and today's heavy lifting. I don't think I bloated on the carb load, or if I did, it was pretty minimal.

I'm just happy that I was still able to progress on my lifts. I had been doing a 5x5 schedule where I was hitting new 5 rep maxes every other week, instead of weekly. Well, that changed today, as I bumped them ALL up on the same day. And I added weight from where they were previously, and was able to hit them all. So, that's good.

I tried to fill the pictures with more levity, because I was too tired to smile.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...EF1F71C0CD.jpg
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...EF25E1B124.jpg
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...EF2C979F59.jpg

Workout:

RFESS - 5RM, 90% 5RM, 80% 5RM
Bench - 5RM, 90% 5RM, 80% 5RM
Deadlift - 5RM, 90% 5RM, 80% 5RM
Military Press - 5RM, 90% 5RM, 80% 5RM
BB Row - 5RM x 3 sets

Nutrition:

Captain Crunchberries + skim milk
Dextrose + whey shake
Homemade ultra thin crust pizza with fat free cheese and chicken breast strips
2 oranges
Trutein shake

Totals: 1711 cals, 249g carbs, 152g protein, 15g fat

this ****a ripped, ya'll

Wow, talk about the blind leading the blind . . . ;)

Is that a public bathroom??

It's the gym, so yeah, in a sense.

How possible is it to lose 10 lbs in 16 days?

I know losing weight fast isn't healthy, but I want to try to do it in as healthy way as possible.

I think I'll go to the gym twice a day and burn around 400 calories each time I go (so 800 a day).

Any workouts to do to lose weight fast? Sprints?

You could do 16-day fast.

ROFL

Perfect comedic timing.

ROFL

You can easily lose that in one day but it would be all water weight and put back on quickly.

Unless you are trying to make weight for some specific reason you should not worry about weight. Appearance is much more accurate way to determine progress.

:LOL: oh okay I admit I laughed at that.

But seriously, I'm probably gonna fast. Only 2 meals a day probably.

I wasn't joking.

A 16-day fast is your best bet.

There's nothing inherently unhealthy about losing weight quickly. It just may come from places you don't want it to, like muscle tissue.

Eat less than you burn. That's about it. In 16 days, it's easily doable if you have enough willpower to exercise a lot and keep the calories low.

Why do you even bother posting in this thread?

I enjoy living a fit and healthy lifestyle.

Comments like a 16 day fast say the exact opposite.

If someone asks for help be mature and give a real answer or be quiet.

It is time to act like an adult.

How many calories do you recommend for each day? 2,000 is the basic, so maybe like 1,700 and burn 700 a day?

What workouts?

Also, what foods (besides chicken) are best to eat on this said diet?

elaborate on how you fast. Do you just eat one meal a day? or multiple small meals?

Less than you eat now. The 2000 calorie diet is a made up number that means nothing just as the BMI is meaningless.

Lean meat and eggs, fresh veggies/fruit. Stay away from pop/juice, basically any drink that is carb/sugar dense.

Exercise, preferably with a good amount of resistance training.

Fasting is eating nothing.

There is no other definition.

Fasting is not for everyone and has mixed opinions on how effective it actually is.

If you are going to try fasting I would recommend intermittent fasting.

The guy wants to lose 10 pounds in 16 days.

Easiest way to do that is fasting.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I could say the same about you.

Intermittent fasting would be my suggestion. Don't eat all day and start your feeding at say 5 pm for dinner. Eat maybe 1,200-1,500 calories in a 5 hour window from 5-10 looking at lean meats, fats and very limited carbs. Would be your best bet for losing quickly if that is your main goal. Throw in exercises sometime during your fasted state as well. Preferably closer to dinner so you can eat at a reasonable time afterwards.

Keep telling yourself that and it may come true someday.

Exercise is just going to make you hungry.

Just don't eat for 16 days.

Guarantee you lose 10 lbs.

I think I'm just going to cut my calories down significantly by eating/drinking the following:

Note: Only 2 meals a day

-water
-diet soda (on occasion)
-coffee..I've read drinking a cup before you exercise helps a lot
-green tea
-chicken
-eggs
-turkey
-veggies
-yogurt
-almonds..more protein than carbs
-fresh fruit

exercises will include:

-sprints
-repetition weight lifting for cardio
-jogging

I will try to do two-a-day's as often as possible. Needless to say a lot of icyhot, ibuprofen, sleep and willpower will be needed.

Also, I think my secret weapon will be applesauce.

Apple's make you feel full. A half cup of applesauce is only 90 calories.

You're not going to lose 10 lbs in 16 days eating that much.

Waste of time.

if you're fasting every day, how do you have energy to workout? Wouldn't your body just give out after a few days in?