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BigChiefFan 03-21-2013 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9518528)
I'm all for it but I'll believe it when I see it. So up until the draft I'm going to play the trade down scenario game. :shrug:
Understood, but long-term the wise move is to draft and develop Geno. The only other justifed player would be Star at number one, IMO. With the new CBA we would prudent to make our move now.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2013 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 9518541)
Understood, but long-term the wise move is to draft and develop Geno. The only other justifed player would be Star at number one, IMO. With the new CBA we would prudent to make our move now.
What's forgotten around here with the " New CBA" garbage is that's also more feasible and less expensive to draft EVERY position, whether DE, DT, CB, Safety, WR, LT, etc.

BigChiefFan 03-21-2013 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9518552)
What's forgotten around here with the " New CBA" garbage is that's also more feasible and less expensive to draft EVERY position, whether DE, DT, CB, Safety, WR, LT, etc.
Yep, BUT QB supercedes all positions in order of importance.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2013 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 9518557)
Yep, BUT QB supercedes all positions in order of importance.
Bullshit, especially in this draft.

There is not a single, immediate, franchise changing QB in this draft. Teams need to get immediate impact players with their first round selections, let alone the #1 overall pick in the draft.

Look at how the Chiefs ****ed up their 2009 and 2011 drafts for proof. Instead of a guy like Orapko or Harvin or Maclin or Cushing or Matthews and so on, the Chiefs waited around for 4 years on Tyson Jackson and all they got was a part-time player.

In 2011, they passed on Dalton and Kaepernick but were "rewarded" with Jonathan Baldwin instead. How's that worked out?

If the #1 overall pick needs to "develop" on the bench for a season or two before he's ready to start, that player is unworthy of the #1 overall pick. That's a ****ing waste of resources, not to mention the fact that contracts are only four years long, unless after the second season, you decide to pick up the option for a fifth year.

What team in their right mind is going to sit a player for two years, then decide to pick up the option for a fifth when they've been incapable of starting for TWO YEARS?

philfree 03-21-2013 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 9518541)
Understood, but long-term the wise move is to draft and develop Geno. The only other justifed player would be Star at number one, IMO. With the new CBA we would prudent to make our move now.
If we're not taking a QB we have got to move that #1 pick. There is no other player at any other position that's worth it. Take Geno or wheel and deal.

BigCatDaddy 03-21-2013 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 9518557)
Yep, BUT QB supercedes all positions in order of importance.
BINGO! And there is only 1 spot on the field for them. You cant slide them to RT or G or play them at a 3rd or 4th, nickelback, or spot duty as a backup RB. So it was super risky before where as now they are much more expendable (See Jax).

Buckweath 03-21-2013 02:13 PM
Drafting Geno would be brilliant. You need great QB play to win big in this league and having Alex and Geno would greatly increase our chances of having great QB play for the next decade.

I reckon it will be Geno at #1 or a trade down, the latter being more likely.

Rausch 03-21-2013 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 9518648)
Drafting Geno would be brilliant.
It would be.

All these offseason moves alone have the fanbase exited.

You take the no 1 QB prospect and allow him to compete this fanbase would go pure reeruned-nuts...

BossChief 03-21-2013 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9518577)
Bullshit, especially in this draft.

There is not a single, immediate, franchise changing QB in this draft. Teams need to get immediate impact players with their first round selections, let alone the #1 overall pick in the draft.

Look at how the Chiefs ****ed up their 2009 and 2011 drafts for proof. Instead of a guy like Orapko or Harvin or Maclin or Cushing or Matthews and so on, the Chiefs waited around for 4 years on Tyson Jackson and all they got was a part-time player.

In 2011, they passed on Dalton and Kaepernick but were "rewarded" with Jonathan Baldwin instead. How's that worked out?

If the #1 overall pick needs to "develop" on the bench for a season or two
before he's ready to start, that player is unworthy of the #1 overall pick. That's a ****ing waste of resources, not to mention the fact that contracts are only four years long, unless after the second season, you decide to pick up the option for a fifth year.

What team in their right mind is going to sit a player for two years, then decide to pick up the option for a fifth when they've been incapable of starting for TWO YEARS?
What's the difference between that and what teams used to invest in quarterbacks drafted in the teens that would get that much money?

The risk to reward ratio for drafting Geno is 5 fold better than drafting any other position.

The upside is having a franchise quarterback for 13-15 years...the downside is no worse than drafting another position.

The Franchise 03-21-2013 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9518577)
Bullshit, especially in this draft.

There is not a single, immediate, franchise changing QB in this draft. Teams need to get immediate impact players with their first round selections, let alone the #1 overall pick in the draft.

Look at how the Chiefs ****ed up their 2009 and 2011 drafts for proof. Instead of a guy like Orapko or Harvin or Maclin or Cushing or Matthews and so on, the Chiefs waited around for 4 years on Tyson Jackson and all they got was a part-time player.

In 2011, they passed on Dalton and Kaepernick but were "rewarded" with Jonathan Baldwin instead. How's that worked out?

If the #1 overall pick needs to "develop" on the bench for a season or two before he's ready to start, that player is unworthy of the #1 overall pick. That's a ****ing waste of resources, not to mention the fact that contracts are only four years long, unless after the second season, you decide to pick up the option for a fifth year.

What team in their right mind is going to sit a player for two years, then decide to pick up the option for a fifth when they've been incapable of starting for TWO YEARS?
Hindsight is 20/20. Not one person talked about Harvin, Cushing, Maclin or Matthews at #3 the year we drafted Tyson Jackson.

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2013 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9518749)
What's the difference between that and what teams used to invest in quarterbacks drafted in the teens that would get that much money?

The risk to reward ratio for drafting Geno is 5 fold better than drafting any other position.

The upside is having a franchise quarterback for 13-15 years...the downside is no worse than drafting another position.
:facepalm:

You're just NEVER going to stop with this shit, are you?

Neither the Chiefs, nor any other team, is going to choose a QB #1 overall in 2013 and have him sit on the bench for years on end. ESPECIALLY the Chiefs because they just gave up the #36 overall for what? Oh yeah, a QB!

And 13-15 YEARS? LMAO

BossChief 03-21-2013 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9518757)
:facepalm:

You're just NEVER going to stop with this shit, are you?

Neither the Chiefs, nor any other team, is going to choose a QB #1 overall in 2013 and have him sit on the bench for years on end. ESPECIALLY the Chiefs because they just gave up the #36 overall for what? Oh yeah, a QB!

And 13-15 YEARS? LMAO
You have transformed into the posters you used to clown day after day.

I've said a bunch of times that they aren't gonna take Geno at 1...that doesn't mean we can't have discussions about it on a Chiefs message board in a thread that's about Geno Smith going first overall.

If you don't want to talk about it, post elsewhere.

If you want to have a discussion, answer the questions that have been posted and let's talk.

BossChief 03-21-2013 03:34 PM
As for your laughter about saying 13-15 years...I was CLEARLY talking about his UPSIDE.

If a team hits on a franchise quarterback in the draft and they play till they are 36, how many years did they play?

DaneMcCloud 03-21-2013 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9518791)
You have transformed into the posters you used to clown day after day.
**** you, Asswipe. You don't even know what the **** you're talking about, Dipshit.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9518791)
I've said a bunch of times that they aren't gonna take Geno at 1...
Sure, after your ass had been hammered into the ground for acting like a jilted ex lover for more than a ****ing month.


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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9518791)
that doesn't mean we can't have discussions about it on a Chiefs message board in a thread that's about Geno Smith going first overall.
Um, you can have as many discussion as your stupidass would like but the mere idea that Smith is going to the Chiefs under ANY circumstances should be dead and buried.

Yet in EVERY thread, you bring it up. It's not only annoying, it just shows that you're a dumbass.


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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9518791)
If you don't want to talk about it, post elsewhere.
And go **** yourself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9518791)
If you want to have a discussion, answer the questions that have been posted and let's talk.
There is NO REASON to discuss it. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH.

BossChief 03-21-2013 03:58 PM
Yes, there is reason to discuss it because Andy Reid recently said that Geno is one of the 8 players they are considering for the pick and even brought up the situation he was in in Philly when he turned down the Eagles for their whole draft and took McNabb...he even went as far as to say that adding Alex Smith doesn't prohibit them from taking Geno.

There is no question that could (and likely is) a smokescreen...but with his history of stacking the qb position, it's fun to keep hope alive.

B14ckmon 03-21-2013 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9518508)
Good luck with that.
Seems to be working so far. Outside of fan sites/forums no one is really even considering the Jaguars might take him still. Even Adam Shefter NFL network said that there were a bunch of teams that have a need at QB that could take him, and listed the Raiders, Eagles, Cardinals, Buffalo, Browns, and New York, but not the Jaguars.

Dayze 03-21-2013 04:33 PM
Geno.

Or a Guard. one of the two at #1

King_Chief_Fan 03-21-2013 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9518930)
Seems to be working so far. Outside of fan sites/forums no one is really even considering the Jaguars might take him still. Even Adam Shefter NFL network said that there were a bunch of teams that have a need at QB that could take him, and listed the Raiders, Eagles, Cardinals, Buffalo, Browns, and New York, but not the Jaguars.
of course, you guys are set with Gabbert

Mav 03-21-2013 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 9518936)
Geno.

Or a Guard. one of the two at #1
watch it be star lol

B14ckmon 03-21-2013 05:36 PM
Boss reminds me of a child that found out Santa Clause isn't real, but doesn't want to believe it so he keeps trying to rationalize things out of desperation.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-21-2013 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9518577)
Bullshit, especially in this draft.

There is not a single, immediate, franchise changing QB in this draft. Teams need to get immediate impact players with their first round selections, let alone the #1 overall pick in the draft.

Look at how the Chiefs ****ed up their 2009 and 2011 drafts for proof. Instead of a guy like Orapko or Harvin or Maclin or Cushing or Matthews and so on, the Chiefs waited around for 4 years on Tyson Jackson and all they got was a part-time player.

In 2011, they passed on Dalton and Kaepernick but were "rewarded" with Jonathan Baldwin instead. How's that worked out?

If the #1 overall pick needs to "develop" on the bench for a season or two before he's ready to start, that player is unworthy of the #1 overall pick. That's a ****ing waste of resources, not to mention the fact that contracts are only four years long, unless after the second season, you decide to pick up the option for a fifth year.

What team in their right mind is going to sit a player for two years, then decide to pick up the option for a fifth when they've been incapable of starting for TWO YEARS?
Nor is there generational talent worthy of one/one at all other positions. Need, meet BPA. Any other pick if Full-reerun FAIL. All gaps are plugged, and trading down is for quitters. It is, and has become, what it is. But don't worry; I'm sure your new buddies at the FO will find a way to **** it all up royally then justify it, yes.
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BossChief 03-21-2013 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9519135)
Boss reminds me of a child that found out Santa Clause isn't real, but doesn't want to believe it so he keeps trying to rationalize things out of desperation.
Sometimes, fiction is better than non fiction.

Especially given the non fiction situation the Chiefs are currently in.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-21-2013 06:42 PM
Yeah its so bad, they'll likely never make another "History of the Chiefs" DVD.
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B14ckmon 03-21-2013 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9519335)
Sometimes, fiction is better than non fiction.

Especially given the non fiction situation the Chiefs are currently in.
Your team is a potential playoff team. First World Football Problem.

Dayze 03-21-2013 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9519350)
Yeah its so bad, they'll likely never make another "History of the Chiefs" DVD.
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they will, but it'll be like the old days where they showed Looney Tunes before movies.

the history of the chiefs would be like watching "Celebrating The Musical Catalogue of Rico Suave" on VH1

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-21-2013 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 9519669)
they will, but it'll be like the old days where they showed Looney Tunes before movies.

the history of the chiefs would be like watching "Celebrating The Musical Catalogue of Rico Suave" on VH1
lmaohahaha **** yeah. Jesus. The last one ended with Herm as the HC. Pure slapdick sadness...
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aturnis 03-22-2013 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9518791)
You have transformed into the posters you used to clown day after day.

I've said a bunch of times that they aren't gonna take Geno at 1...that doesn't mean we can't have discussions about it on a Chiefs message board in a thread that's about Geno Smith going first overall.

If you don't want to talk about it, post elsewhere.

If you want to have a discussion, answer the questions that have been posted and let's talk.
This. You are a shell of the poster you used to be. LET'S DRAFT JOECKEL!

B14ckmon 03-22-2013 06:08 PM
How much do you want to bet Geno kills himself after having to spent half of a football season in Buffalo?

B14ckmon 03-22-2013 06:28 PM
New video;

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/...now-Geno-Smith

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-22-2013 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by B14ckmon (Post 9521968)
How much do you want to bet Geno kills himself after having to spent half of a football season in Buffalo?
lol. Who wouldn't? Man, that is yet another useless franchise. Buffalo is the KC of that division.
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BossChief 03-22-2013 09:23 PM
More on Geno from Reid...

"I'm going to keep my eyes open on everybody. I think Geno is a good quarterback," Reid said, via Philly Mag's Birds 24/7 blog. "We'll just see how it all goes, get this workout thing going."

He hasn't made Geno one of his first workouts, maybe wants to save the best for last? Keep his workout in close proximity (in terms of days between) to that of Barkleys?...if they even work out Barkley.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-22-2013 09:34 PM
Please God; let this franchise do something, ANY****INGTHING right. For ONCE. ****!
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Sweet Daddy Hate 03-22-2013 09:36 PM
I hope they workout Barkley too. At least make a ****ing EFFORT???
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B14ckmon 03-23-2013 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9522508)
More on Geno from Reid...

"I'm going to keep my eyes open on everybody. I think Geno is a good quarterback," Reid said, via Philly Mag's Birds 24/7 blog. "We'll just see how it all goes, get this workout thing going."

He hasn't made Geno one of his first workouts, maybe wants to save the best for last? Keep his workout in close proximity (in terms of days between) to that of Barkleys?...if they even work out Barkley.
Jesus christ guy. He is postuering for a trade. Obviously.

Mr_Tomahawk 03-24-2013 02:46 PM
@MayorSlyJames: Chiefs should draft Geno Smith #1& trade him to the highest bidder EXCEPT the Raiders. Stay n the top 10, get two picks and still get OLT.

RNR 03-24-2013 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9526088)
@MayorSlyJames: Chiefs should draft Geno Smith #1& trade him to the highest bidder EXCEPT the Raiders. Stay n the top 10, get two picks and still get OLT.
The top of the draft is trying desperately to sell Smith, all looking to deal. A huge sales pitch to convince a team that a QB that is worth a late 1st round or even a 2nd round pick is worth trading up for~

DTLB58 03-24-2013 03:05 PM
Don't know if this is in here. But I didn't want to start a whole new (another Geno thread).

@NFL_ATL: Report: Jets warming up to Geno Smith http://t.co/Oe9oUODdap

Mr_Tomahawk 03-24-2013 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9526152)
Don't know if this is in here. But I didn't want to start a whole new (another Geno thread).

@NFL_ATL: Report: Jets warming up to Geno Smith http://t.co/Oe9oUODdap
Niiiiiiice, wonder what they would give up to move up?

YayMike 03-24-2013 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9526159)
Niiiiiiice, wonder what they would give up to move up?
Swap picks and we get Sanchez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jd1020 03-24-2013 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9526159)
Niiiiiiice, wonder what they would give up to move up?
They still have Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow... :hmmm:

Tribal Warfare 03-24-2013 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9526152)
Don't know if this is in here. But I didn't want to start a whole new (another Geno thread).

@NFL_ATL: Report: Jets warming up to Geno Smith http://t.co/Oe9oUODdap
No joke I had a dream two months ago that the KC had traded with the Jets and then the Jets selected Geno.

B14ckmon 03-24-2013 04:19 PM
Jets aren't trading up for a QB. Especially with what they are paying Sanchez. And now they have Garrard as well.

Nightfyre 03-24-2013 04:23 PM
Gerrard is keeping them from drafting Geno? yea, right.

B14ckmon 03-24-2013 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9526577)
Gerrard is keeping them from drafting Geno? yea, right.
No. The 13+ million goes to Sanchez is keeping them from drafting Geno. They won't be able to sign anyone else if they keep another QB on for 5 mil.


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