Since the Mark Brunell era ended, Jacksonville has done what people keep saying we should do. They drafted Byron Leftwich, he didn't work out so (after playing Garrarrd, a fourth round pick for a while) they drafted Gabbert, he didn't work out so they drafted Bortles.

So what they really never recovered from was a good QB moving on > 10 years ago.

The Bills were without a QB after Bledsoe's career ended, so they spent a first on JP Losman. Then after sputtering through Edwards (draftee) and Fitzpatrick (FA) they drafted Manuel and busted again.

So much like Jacksonville, the Bills have been looking for a QB for a decade, although they have only spent 2 firsts on QBs rather than 3 in that time.

If you're unemployed, you're better off waiting for that once in a decade perfect job to come along and not applying for anything else, because after all, some people who apply for several jobs are still unemployed and there's no guarantee that even the slightly less than perfect jobs will work out. And don't even think about browsing other jobs if you think your job is ending soon or may not work out, only worry about that when you don't have one.

There are subtle ways for ownership to communicate team policy in the hiring process.
The first moves of the last two GMs was exactly the same, exactly, only the names were different.
Coincidence? I think not.
The evidence supports this, to ignore it borders on naivety.
I no longer get upset on draft day when they don't draft one, because I know they won't. I am at piece with it and enjoy them for who they are.

OTW lives on via this redundant circlejerk. He knew what he was doing.

Never said that or anything like that.

We've just discussed two teams that followed the CP prescription, and they have been pathetic for a decade because they came up collectively 0/5 on the 1st round QBs.

That is not to say that drafting a QB is not what we should do, we definitely should do it the next time we have one that we think is among the 20% or so of first rounders that stick as starters. It's just a statement of fact about the odds being heavily stacked against you.

I don't think we could find any team in the league that has followed the CP prescription of "1st round QB regardless of draft position, start him from day 1, if he sucks after year 2 give up and draft another, rinse repeat", but the closest followers do not have success stories.

Of course, people will say "They picked the wrong guys, they should have drafted better" but the consensus on most of these QB is pretty close. Everyone agreed that Gabbert was a top 15 or so pick for example.

There isn't a franchise QB in the draft every year. The intelligent way would be to target them as individuals and not pick one - any one - just because you are QB poor at the moment, but that seems to be what people here want. That drafting any 1st round QB is always the right decision, but wishing don't make it so.

I think most have softened on the 1st round or bust thing but the fact that 7 of the final 8 playoff teams had QBs drafted or signed as a rookie FA by their original team.

I think most have softened on the 1st round or bust thing but the fact that 7 of the final 8 playoff teams had QBs drafted or signed as a rookie FA by their original team tells you that is the way to go if your goal is to do more than "just not suck"

There are some other stories. Brees was not drafted by the Saints. Manning was not drafted by the Broncos. Wilson was a 2nd rounder, Brady was a gem hidden at the bottom of the draft. The Colts' story isn't the usual one.

Like I said some have softened on thd 1st round thing and yes the little lands on green on occasion but odds say get and develop your own guy is the best way to go to advance in the playoffs. Id prefer to not go with your Sun Shines On A Dogs Ass philosophy.

Jacksonville never really recovered from firing Tom Coughlin

Andy Dalton says "Hi".

Hi Andy.

You literally have amongst the worst football opinions in this forum.

The worst.

You and Discuss should bunk at UMKC.

Further education would do you some good.

Mediocre stability over guts and glory?

Guts and glory, please.

No idea what Dalton has to do with 88% of the final 8 teams last season having a home grown QB.

But there are others ways folks!

It's hard to call someone dumb while while using a "what about that one guy" black and white argument, but it can be done.

The fact of the matter is that Chiefsplanet has a become a forum that hates all QB's unless they're Hall of Fame QB's. That's it. No one else will do.

Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Brady - that's pretty much it. Everyone else is complete and utter crap. It's a stupid narrative yet every single thread, regardless of the topic these days, devolves into an "Alex Smith Sucks" thread.

It's a waste of time.

Yeah, that's pretty much what the NFL has become these days, and it sucks... and 30 years of not developing arguably the most important position in all of team sports is going to cause some frustration with those who are for some reason still around.

Hyperbole aside, I think plenty of people recognize what Alex Smith brings to the table.

What. A ****ing fork?

~11 win seasons, where the bar has been set for 4 decades.

If they learned so well 30 years ago not to draft a qb in the 1st, you'd think they'd have learned their lesson about broke dick ones from San Francisco.

Yes, exactly.

It's hard to imagine how near 100% of this place can regard him as one of the league's worst starters when he was a muffed punt away from the Super Bowl and has been rated 90 or better for four years straight. (And of course was a fabled first round QB)

There's no connection between the board's "We won't be satisfied with anything less than our own Brady" and the fact that this place has been almost universally wrong about QBs. Of course, that's not hard to imagine - most QBs fail. But CP proves every year anew that it knows nothing about evaluating them.

It's been almost 15 years since Brady appeared on the scene and still, maybe two teams have found what CP would consider an acceptable QB.

I suppose you have to find some way to go on playing football.

:facepalm: I see why the guy left with shit like this being posted.

-NFL teams drafted 27 quarterbacks in the first round in the last 10 years.
Only once in the last 10 years did less than two quarterbacks go in the first round (Buffalo’s EJ Manuel was the only one in 2013).
-Of the 27 first-round QBs on this list, just 12 are expected to start in this weekend’s NFL games, with only nine playing for the team that drafted them.
-Eight of the 27 quarterbacks have won a playoff game to this point in their careers.

And "develop" a QB is more or less BS.

You get one and develop the roster around him. Mold an offense to his strengths is the best you can do.

Michael Vick? All the time and effort to make the investment pay off. Never changed.
Quincy Carter?
David Carr?
Joey Harrington?
Patrick Ramsey?
Rex Grossman?
Byron Leftwich?
Kyle Boller?
Jay Cutler?
Matt Leinart?
Vince Young?
Tarvaris Jackson?
Brady Quinn?
JaMarcus Russell?
Chad Henne?
Brian Brohm?
Matthew Stafford?
Mark Sanchez?
Josh Freeman?
Tim Tebow?
Cam Newton?
Jake Locker?
Blaine Gabbert?
Christian Ponder?
Andy Dalton?
Colin Kaepernick
Ryan Mallett?
Robert Griffin?
EJ Manuel?
Geno Smith?

Those teams didn't really care to "develop" the QB right? They put the draft on autopick and happened to get these QBs?
All had or have seen their play never take off, plateau, regress or crash and burn. The NFL is not Madden. The NFL is not Pokemon.
Typically you are who we thought they were. In time it will reveal.

List the QBs that have developed?
Tannehill? Because he wasn't even playing the friggin position until his Junior year.
Russell Wilson?
David Garrard?
Matt Schaub?
Aaron Rodgers?
Alex Smith?

This is not true. A lot of us would be more than happy with our own Joe Flacco.

The problem is the idiots who support whatever retread of the month the franchise is currently suckling. They will tear down anyone who's not a hall of famer (like Flacco) in order to prop up said retread.

For ****'s sake, we had idiots on here last year saying Alex Smith was better than Ben Roethlisberger.

LOLZ

Since when is this place cool with a QB getting 49% of his completions from passes to WRs and a Yards Per Attempt under 7.0 ?

That is Flacco from 2011 to present

Must resist urge for name change to Strawman...

Why must you resist the urge? Don't resist it.

My point stands.

Thanks for further solidification.

I don't believe that for a second.

What do you expect people to do? Not buy tickets because you don't like Alex Smith? Refuse to watch the Chiefs on TV, even though they've had two back-to-back winning seasons in 20 years?

Your so-called "standards" are way too high for the common fan. Most people just want to enjoy their 16 Sundays of football, hang out with friends, eat food and see a winning football team.

Playoffs and Super Bowl wins would be great, but they're not the reason why tens of millions of people watch the NFL each week.

Who cares? There have been idiots on Chiefsplanet since its inception, just as there are idiots on every fan related site and sites like PFT.

If I thought it would make a difference, yes, I'd definitely like the average fan to up their game and not settle for Bud Light quality football and ~11 win seasons against watered down competition.








omg, what about (insert game)!!

I do. This place was nuts for Trent Green. They'd be more than happy with Flacco.

Alex Smith does not suck, he is just a symptom in a long line of them. He is above average in my opinion.

And your opinion is correct! :D

Smith is slightly above average. BUT because he had such high expectations he will always be perceived as less than he is unless he plays way above average.

Smith is the perfect QB to win a SuperBowl with when you have a dominating D, great O-line, great running game and top 5 special teams. We very well could have 3 of those 4 components in place this year but unless our o-line magically gets good and Reid stops ignoring the running game when it is working... we're probably not going anywhere with Smith.

I was a "draft Flacco" guy that year... so I know I'd be happy with him.

EDIT: Just looked up my post on him and this was Hamas' response to it...

:D

Bingo, hammer meet nail!

He is just not strong enough to overcome shortcomings in those areas like the true franchise QB that many of us would like to see them at least try and take a chance on.

It's not going to happen though, so I will just enjoy the team for what it is and hope we can get to a wild card game again soon

:LOL:

Agreed. I love going to the circus and watching the clowns.

Settle? Fans have no control over that, other than not going. I haven't supported this team financially since the 90s.

We can't do anything about the schedule.

When he wins a SB for the Chiefs.

BOOM!

What circus? That was 2011.

Name the true franchise QBs that have overcome a bottom 10 OL and WR corps, please. Can also add a defense that.. injuries or not.. collapsed in consecutive years.

It will always be a circus as long as the Hunts are in control.

Just entertaining enough to dupe the masses out of their recreational budget every year until they die from BBQ/Beer-induced obesity and diabetes.

Diabesity and the Chiefs...the traditional diseases of Kansas City.

Every time I hear the name "Joe Flacco," the first thing that comes to my mind is "was second string behind Tyler Palko at Pittsburgh prior to transferring."

Not that I wouldn't be at the very least, content with him under center. Still, I will always remember him as the guy who appeared out of place after Palko gave that memorable "I'm so ****ing proud of this football team" interview after defeating Notre Dame.

:LOL:

Tom Brady.

I'm sure you will say he is on another level and move those posts but I'm right

Shit thread title. It's another god damned QB circlejerk.

perhaps. Anyone else?

Manning/Colts.

what year(s)?

Why does it matter? You insinuated there wasnt anyone now you want more.


Typical

Well now, you are deflecting and playing dumb.

Give me some names. ONE name?

So Alex can't be on this list.. okay.. WHO can? Tom? okay maybe... anyone else? Even if not.. oh noez! Alex can't make a whole list of ONE QB that has overcome such circumstances?

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-conten...em_all_got.gif


.. and we truly don't even know how far the cheating corruption went with Tom. Did he really earn much on legitimate merit?

Where here did you say name SOME names?


like I said you moved the goal posts.

Typical.

Eli Manning won with a not so good oline and his wrs haven't done much since moving on

why would I name names when I am asking YOU or OTHERS to name names?

If I had a list of QB names that excel under bottom 10 OLs and WRs... I would list them.

Again, the gentleman stated this:

.. and I asked who those franchise QBs could be...

So, this is why I wait for a list of them. You have someone to add.. or not?

Got any specifics? OL and WR.. bottom 10? years?

I said it. You didn't ask for a ****ing list.

You are a disingenuous asshat

So... did this guy leave because he couldn't hardly bare the thought of the Chiefs winning with Alex Smith as the QB?

Whose rankings should we use?


Yours? ROFL ROFL


you aren't worth the time

You asked which qbs have done it and then want to throw out the ones who have because they are franchise qbs.


That's a real fair discussion

As much as he bitched about his line, I'd say all of them.

tap-out accepted... When you can not reasonably answer, sure, insults and OMGzLOL will follow. Well done.

.. and just for your knowledge, Eli put up Alex-like numbers (or less, talking Alex post 2011)throughout almost all of his years.

And won super bowls with a sub par line and wrs


No tapping out here, its frustrating to say the same thing over and over and answer the questions correctly only to have the questions changed later

And then to say something about Alex's stats but throw out the first half of his career...


Typical coming from you

Beat him with Discipline Stick.

The question has never changed. Read back a few posts regarding this. Everything was clear. It's just when I ask for specifics, I get... uh, oh, well, uh... Tom Brady!!!! and uh well... uhm... hey screw you!!!

So the list of QBs that have been clearly better than Alex while having a bottom 10 OL and WR group is..

1. *Tom Brady (asterisk for lord only knows what cheating)

and....

2.
3.
4.
????

Lol. I named two. You just want to dispute it.

Eli had a shit o line and his wrs haven't done anything since moving on.

That's a fact. But he won a super bowl, actually two.

Tom Brady had done it

Its not my fault you want a list of ten, maybe you should be more clear in your questions.

Ok.....

Again I asked for specifics in what rankings you want to use but you can't respond to that for some reason...

Oh its because you want to use your rankings, which no one gives two ****s about

So let us say for a moment that Eli makes the list.. which I don't agree with...

who else ya got, knuckles?

I don't get what you are after.

You asked and I answered.

This is a typical argument from you. Ask a question get a legit answer and its not good enough or makes you look stupid so you move the goal posts.

I'm out on this

Are we talking about QB's that won with crap WR's and Oline?

According to dipshit there aren't any.

Or the ones who have don't count because they are good

I've done this for you multiple times. You don't want to listen.

LMAO

When you put it like that...

Yup...same conclusion I've come to with that poster...that or some brilliant trolling.

Add Brad Johnson to that list.... Keyshawn Johnson was an average receiver.. and the rest were nothing.

Dipshit: name them.

Posters: name names
Dipshit: well those guys are good name some more that aren't good so I can compare them to Smith.

And I'm not all that down on Smith at this point