So he's guessing? What a shit tweet and article.

I think it's obvious something else went down after thinking about it.

Maybe the guy just wouldn't put the effort into learning the system and they said screw it.

There was some smoke about special teams, wonder if he refused to play there or something?

fyp, lol

This is pretty plain to me.

Why would Andy Reid specifically say this was a football decision? When you cut a young player, why else would it happen?

Why would Andy Reid repeatedly say "he's a good kid," when no one was saying otherwise?

The lines are pretty ****ing easy to read through on this one.

"This was a football decision." (this was not a football decision)

"He's a good kid." (he did something bad)

Why anyone thinks this has anything to do with his play on the field is beyond me. The guy's going to get hit with PEDs or a domestic violence charge or counterfeiting Canadian money and using it to proposition LDT. It's going to be something... just a matter of time until it comes out.

Bengals claimed him

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Not surprising since they lost WJIII in training camp for the year.

But he sure did slide down the wire...

So 20 teams passed on him?
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All of these teams definitely passed on him:

L.A. Rams
Arizona
Miami
NY Jets
Buffalo
Cleveland
Jacksonville
Indy
Tennessee
San Diego
Washington
Dallas
Chicago
New Orleans
Atlanta
Carolina

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cincinnati Bengals what&#39;s up! �������� Thank you for allowing me to continue this dream out. <a href="https://twitter.com/Bengals">@Bengals</a> y&#39;all won&#39;t regret this move ��������</p>&mdash; Keivarae Russell (@Keivarae1) <a href="https://twitter.com/Keivarae1/status/776520420174336000">September 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Now shut your ****ing mouth and actually do your job.

Well, this is definitely a move we'll be dissecting for years. Dorsey's gonna take a lot of flak if he ends up being a contributor.

Boom

Well he coulden't play OG so no time to develope and holding out for a few bucks he'll be alright.
White is bringing the wood, at least on one play.

23 teams passed

Does that include the Chiefs?

:p

This whole Russell thing is odd. Giving up on a 3rd round pick this soon is rather unusual; on the other hand, if the Chiefs simply took the approach of looking at the least productive member on the roster, well, it'd be hard to find a lesser productive player than Russell. Either he couldn't or wouldn't play special teams, he was having difficulty picking up "the system", he apparently ran his mouth far beyond the norm for a non-productive rookie, and the coaches obviously felt he was the worst CB on the team and were not enamoured with his "potential".

If they felt Moses was needed to shore up the OLB position, then they needed to drop someone. Lo and behold, that someone was Russell. I guess they could've dropped an OL, but the numbers were already a little thin in that position. Could've dropped a TE, but they like the 3 TE sets, so that wasn't going to happen. Wouldn't make much sense to drop a runner what with Charles still a bit banged up.

All in all, Russell didn't do anything to distinguish himself (other than run his mouth), so they simply cut the guy. Too bad he was a 3rd round selection, but sometimes you just flat miss on a guy.

Would this consitute a "football decision", or am I just trying to build a case using minimal facts and a bunch of guessing? In any event, it is unusual to see a 3rd rounder cut this early. Hmmmm...

No offense...but that's speculative bullshit.

All players on the PS treated as free agents? If that had been the goal and KC had managed to get him to the PS, can other teams still talk/sign him?

According to Paylor, the Bengals were slotted at #24, which means that 24 teams, including the Chiefs, passed on the guy.

Considering his cap number is about $450k this year and all of the winless teams passed on him, there's got to be something about the guy that teams don't like.

none taken. It's speculative, but it's the only thing that remotely makes sense to me.

I guess whomever took the under on 6 won out. The Bengals know good defensive players. I'll be curious as to where this kid is at in the next 2-3 years.

The Bengals have been able to work with players with issues. Not that it's won them anything.....but I'd bet that Russell works out for them.

That clinches it for me. There's a character flaw. The Bengals can't HELP but acquire character-deficient cast-offs.

Earlier in this thread there were rumors posted that he was a loudmouth rookie that wasn't adjusting well. Thosebrumors could have been getting around to other clubs after news of hos release. That could be why Reid was harping on him being a good kid and it being a football decision. Speculative bullshit on my end...but it sounds like it makes sense.

Bengals should be excited about this after losing WJIII. Let's see how he does.

I don't know. The counterfeiting and LDT stuff sounds reasonable. LDT is a doctor, you know.

Kind of a sweet deal for Russell really. He could wind up with more playing time on a better team.

If it was a character thing with Russell, it can only help him to be surrounded by established veterans like Vontaze Burfict and Pacman Jones.

Bengals certainly aren't afraid of character issues. Not that it's worked out particularly well for them.

there was an article from training camp that russell had learned the same terminology at ND but it doesn't match up to our plays. guess he didn't unlearn ND fast enough. plus our lber's were weak last week so bringing moses back made him odd man out.

This is new information

there was an article from training camp that russell had learned the same terminology at ND but it doesn't match up to our plays. guess he didn't unlearn ND fast enough. plus our lber's were weak last week so bringing moses back made him odd man out.

Eh they aren't the greatest cb evaluators, but will roll the dice on upside.

Also, how the **** does someone doublepost 6 minutes apart.

This is a new post.

They have room for you. http://thebengalsboard.com

Keep in mind that all of the winless teams are dumbasses

Are you really going to just continue your stupid shit !

I don't think it's any question the Bengals are better and have been better than the Chiefs. Or did you forget last season? Seven field goals?

I'm pretty sure that you've been preaching that last year doesn't matter. At least where the Texans are concerned. Kind of a double standard to say the Bungles are better based off of last year don't you think? I think that the Chiefs are the better team.

This makes Dorsey look equally as bad as Russell.

The Bengals have been one of the most consistently good teams in the NFL for over five years now. The Chiefs lost some stuff this offseason so it's not a stretch to say Russell ended up on a better team.

11 in a row is where we're at . Where are they

Yeah.... but if whatever reason the Chiefs cut him pop up with the Bengals... he will be hitting the road again...

5 consecutive playoff appearances ROFL

Yea because the cicumstances that led to his surprise release couldn't have changed those teams thoughts on him from draft time, right?

So, . . . he's Cher?

If the Chiefs cut him for bad judgment on emojis, I support their decision.

5 years ago Pioli was in charge. We're in our long awaited time of dominance. And why am I even talking with a troll ?

This isn't trolling dude. The Bengals are really good and just a couple notches above KC. It's OK to have an opposite opinion.

No playoff wins.

It's not a good look, regardless of how you rationalize it.

That's a pretty high value asset just set ablaze. Whether it's poor scouting or whether it's worse personal evaluation isn't terribly relevant. There were some good players on the board there (as well as where they originally picked before the trade down left them with Russell as their highest ranked guy). Even if Russell never amounts to anything, you can bet someone they could've taken there would've.

It's a **** up. And when you start to shrug stuff like that off, it gets really cumulative, really quickly.

This had better be a one-off. Dorsey can't go torching assets like this with any frequency. As the core of this team continues to age, they have to backfill with cost-effective players in the middle rounds if they hope to keep their newer, younger core around on their second contracts.

And hey, we don't have to be mad at Roger Goodell anymore, right? Turns out 3rd rounders don't mean enough to get pissed off about if all anyone wants to do is high five Dorsey for shitcanning a 3rd round pick before his first day on the active roster. HIGH FIVE, DORSE!

Yeah, still one of the most consistently good, winning teams in football. Not really up for dispute. Can we please chill. The Chiefs have ONE "consecutive" playoff appearance. ROFL

So I have a simple question for you.

When the Chiefs play do you pull for them to win or do you root for them to lose.

Not that I disagree with your take but the Chiefs are the 3rd youngest team in the NFL.

They're likely to get younger before they get older.

Braxton Miller
Kyler Fackrell
Shilique Calhoun

Think we could have used one of these guys? I do.

Draft picks are a limited resource yes. Roster spots are also a limited resource.

I thought it was 6th. Eh, close enough either way.

But as we've often noted around here, one of Dorsey's greatest strengths has been his ability to build young, effective, cheap depth. And yeah, he's found a couple of young foundational players in Kelce and probably Peters. But DJ and Hali are in dire need of replacement and Berry's probably not staying. Poe may not be worth what he's going to ask for as well. And while nobody will care for this opinion at all, Houston's best days are behind him, IMO. Lower body injuries add up and age gets to everyone.

We're not at critical mass by any means and one homerun draft could fix everything, but this stings a bit and regardless of how you want to spin it, this isn't an endorsement of Dorsey, it's an indictment.

Whatever led to this, it can't happen again. You can't have a pick in the top 75 that is so goddamn bad, either due to talent or attitude, that you can't even be bothered to red shirt him for a year with all the other 'who gives a shit' guys that don't dress out every week.

The fact that none of us have been able to come up with a single example of this in the last 10+ years speaks volumes. This just doesn't happen - it can't happen.

So stop trading down and accumulating less valuable picks.

If he was that concerned about his roster spots, he should've been looking to move up to get better players in the middle rounds, not down to get more guys that he was just going to have to cut.

This doesn't seem terribly complicated.

While I agree, I wonder if Andy Reid's absence at The Combine had any effect on this decision, i.e., questions asked, personality conflicts, etc.?

That said, I don't see it as egregious an error that you do, mainly because Dorsey's hit on multiple 3rd rounders in the same year, such as Kelce & Davis, Nelson and Conley along with Phillip Gaines.

He'll most likely have two 3rd rounders in 2017 (Sean Smith), so he'll have an opportunity to rectify the 3rd round of the 2016 draft.

Plus, it appears that he hit on two of their 4th rounders in Ehinger and Murry, while Robinson has a chance to make an impact next year.

I'm a STH and couldn't care less why he was cut. If this team was in rebuilding mode and having to rely on draft picks heavily to build the team I might be concerned. Chiefs have finally hit the point where their depth is good enough that good talent is going to hit the streets due to numbers. Especially with the number of picks Dorsey has been accumulating.

It could have come down to finances as they see no real difference in potential between him and White/Acker so they got rid of the bigger contract.

Not that what you're saying isn't right, but we still came out with a really talented class with a lot of promise, so I don't really give a **** at this point. It's over and done with. Jones, White, Hill, Murray, Nicholas, and Ehinger is still a class to be excited about, and Russelll wasn't going to make or break it after what we've seen up to this point.

Afted trade downs, we ended up with all change and no dollars, and lost two quarters (one before, one now), but I think we got so much value with our dimes and nickels, that I really don't give a shit, and I'm not going to nitpick Dorsey at this point when he continues to find talent.

Oh yea, one of those quarters bought us a top 10 talent too. He was just risky because he came out a year early. Early indications are we struck gold. Keep bitching just to bitch though. Don't know what we can do about it now.

These guys aren't proven by any means, but if Ford and Gaines continue to play like they did last weekend, we're having no issues.

We'll find out a lot this year from young guys. Ford, Conley, Gaines, Nelson, March, Murray, Jones. Lot of really young guys there.

You already know the answers that you seek.

He is right....and not giving a shit about bad moves and getting your pussy all swole up every time someone criticizes anythign the chiefs do is called homerboning.

I bet youre right.

It had to be a personality conflict / work ethic kind of thing.

The work ethic is easier to have when youre starving...when you get paid mad loot, its easier to not hunger as much.

If you get 2 long term starts then you had a draft class. If you get 3 then you killed it. We expect to get at least 2 out of this one. People expect to much out of the draft... Especially on a deep team

Acker's deal costs the Chiefs $150k more than Russell.

Acker: $600k
Russell: $450k

I gave a shit...yesterday.

At this point, there's nothing we can do about it, and it isn't something that's going to make or break this team now or in the long run.

All indications were Russell was going to be the biggest disappointment of all of our draft picks aside from Hogan. I want expecting shit from him this year, and all that's changed now is I won't ever expect anything.

I'm not going to let this weird turn of events cloud the fact that I was already excited about this draft class going into the season knowing Russell might not ever make a contribution to it.

what? its worked out VERY well for them

Good post DJ. Again.

They haven't won a playoff game since 1990, so it hasn't not worked out so well for them.

That have clay swinging from their nutts

Youll start giving a shit if we lose a few games and our secondary is getting torched or something..

But, In any case check this out:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...varis-daniels/


Is there any chance the guy was just dumb? Maybe he cant understand the playbook?

Is that a possibility?

Our secondary is fine as it is barring a couple catastrophic injuries. It's the front seven that will make or break us.

If you cant cover people, you cant make sacks.

It works together. Id like to see consistent pressure on the QB

The Chiefs have hit on FIVE 3rd rounders since Dorsey's arrival in 2013. That's FIVE in four drafts.

Kelce and Davis, Gaines, Conley and Nelson but now people are concerned that Dorsey might **** up the future because they cut their 3rd rounder this year?

Come on, people.

We will "cover people" just fine. I'm not concerned about that at all. Plenty of talent there to go along with great coaching.

The from seven is the concern, and that's clear as day.