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DJ's left nut 01-20-2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff.Fisher (Post 14741066)
That could work. . Of course, the titans were on the end of a brutal 4 week road trip. With henry hobbled by a ridiculous workload. With play callers who refused to call uncle, and refs who had been told to get the chiefs to the super bowl.

I really should have listened to you guys. John Q Public likes to watch finesse teams on the big stage

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Halfcan 01-20-2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff.Fisher (Post 14741016)
I see this game going like this.. mahomes will drive the field, but the physical 9er defense will buckle down in the red zone, holding the chiefs to field goals. K.C.'s speed becomes less of a threat in the red zone where the field shrinks, and that physicality of the 49ers will tip the scales in their favor. Finesse teams tend to be flashy between the 20's then stall out before punching it in.

I see the 9ers up 14-10 at halftime, and winning 28 - 24. With the chiefs getting 8 field goals

Could we get a thread ban for this pos troll. This next two weeks is about the Chiefs- not the stupid Titan trolls.

Please thread bad this idiot. :shake:

TwistedChief 01-20-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14741131)
Could we get a thread ban for this pos troll. This next two weeks is about the Chiefs- not the stupid Titan trolls.

Please thread bad this idiot. :shake:

Seconded.

rydogg58 01-20-2020 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741123)
I'm not bent out of shape, if he chooses to be a scum bag human, he is more than welcome to do so, but I'm going to call him out on it. He can wish AIDS upon me or tell me to kill myself, I won't be phased by it, but I'm not going to stand around and not say anything when I see someone being a piece of ****.

You better get those typing fingers limbered up and loose. You're going to be doing a lot of typing if that's the case. It gets a little crazy in here, you may just want to delete your account and walk away.

Easy 6 01-20-2020 07:44 PM

No doubt the Niner rushing attack is a juggernaut, more potent overall than just Henry by far... they’ve been burying teams with it all season

Spags needs to cycle through the front 7 masterfully, keep them fresh so they’re not gassed out chasing all that speed... contain that deep corp and I have NO doubt Mahomes and co can set a pace the Niners O can’t match

Patrick > Jimmy

QB’s > RB’s

St. Patty's Fire 01-20-2020 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741123)
I'm not bent out of shape, if he chooses to be a scum bag human, he is more than welcome to do so, but I'm going to call him out on it. He can wish AIDS upon me or tell me to kill myself, I won't be phased by it, but I'm not going to stand around and not say anything when I see someone being a piece of ****.

You sure made a difference by responding, keyboard warrior. The ChiefsPlanet space is safer today thanks to your valiant efforts.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rydogg58 (Post 14741146)
You better get those typing fingers limbered up and loose. You're going to be doing a lot of typing if that's the case. It gets a little crazy in here, you may just want to delete your account and walk away.

If this boards idea of a good time is wishing injury on players, then yea, I probably will.

MOARGore 01-20-2020 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 14741087)
Garopollo doesn't scare me. If San Francisco has a QB that is either Watson, Jackson, or Mahomes, then that's one thing. But they don't.


Garoppolo doesn't make a lot of eye-popping off-schedule plays like those guys, but he's very accurate, he has a quick release, and he's clutch on 3rd down.

I see people saying just stack the box and make him beat you.

He can pick apart man defense if that's the strategy.

I think with any good QB (and playcaller), you can't sit in the same look all game long unless the front is just winning consistently at the line of scrimmage.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 14741153)
You sure made a difference by responding, keyboard warrior. The ChiefsPlanet space is safer today thanks to your valiant efforts.

Never claimed I made a difference. I'm just not a bitch, unlike you.

duncan_idaho 01-20-2020 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff.Fisher (Post 14741066)
That could work. . Of course, the titans were on the end of a brutal 4 week road trip. With henry hobbled by a ridiculous workload. With play callers who refused to call uncle, and refs who had been told to get the chiefs to the super bowl.



I really should have listened to you guys. John Q Public likes to watch finesse teams on the big stage


Ok. That’s it. Time to Romper Room and MU this mother****er.

St. Patty's Fire 01-20-2020 07:49 PM

Garrappolo is better than a guy like Smith but what makes him better is also something that can be his downfall - Jimmy ain’t afraid to throw the ball. The dude will chuck it into triple coverage on occasion with no hesitation. His lack of fear is admirable, and he makes clutch throws at times, but he’s turnover prone, for sure. And our defense can absolutely exploit that.

If we can force turnovers, man. It’ll be massive.

InChiefsHeaven 01-20-2020 07:49 PM

I'm genuinely interested in what the crowd split will be. 9ers are a bigger market, but Mahomes is...Mahomes. It's gonna be interesting to see how many are pulling for which team.

As far as the 9ers go, it's nice to see that the best in the NFC will face the best in the AFC, undisputed. Sure, you'll have your Tit whiners saying stupid shit, and probably maybe some Seahawk fans saying the same, but if you were to ask who the best in each conference was, it's us and the 9ers.

You want to be the best, beat the best. They have a great running game and a stout as hell defense. We have a solid to great defense and an other-worldly offense, led by the best player in the league. I like our chances on a neutral site. One thing's for sure...it's gonna be a great game.

GO CHIEFS!!

dirk digler 01-20-2020 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741113)
The 49ers were missing Jaquiski Tartt and Drew Brees just picked on his backup the majority of the game. In the games Tartt missed, every team we faced just constantly threw it at Marcell Harris who just was not ready, he gave up big touchdowns and allowed big plays constantly.

I also think Ford missed most of that game. In the games Ford missed, teams just doubled up on Bosa and our pass rush suffered big time.

If you look at our defense in the games we had Ford and Tartt, compared to the ones we didn't, its a night and day difference. Quality of competition also played a factor, but without those two, we were very much a below average defense.


Thanks and I look at that game as what I might expect the Chiefs offense to do because they are pretty similar. Not worried about Ford we know what that choker will do.

The Franchise 01-20-2020 07:51 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unpopular opinion: the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefs</a> defense is just as good as the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#49ers</a> defense. <br><br>Season:<br>-Sacks: SF-48 KC-45<br>-QB hits: SF-93 KC-96<br>-INT: SF-12 KC-16<br>-PD: SF-74 KC-65<br><br>Since week 11:<br>-Rush ypg allowed: SF-101.7 KC-93.6<br>-Pass ypg allowed: SF-203.9 KC-235.9<br>-Ppg: SF-23.4 KC-15.5</p>&mdash; Brett (@Bski64) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bski64/status/1219431267600453632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Coach 01-20-2020 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MOARGore (Post 14741157)
Garoppolo doesn't make a lot of eye-popping off-schedule plays like those guys, but he's very accurate, he has a quick release, and he's clutch on 3rd down.

I see people saying just stack the box and make him beat you.

He can pick apart man defense if that's the strategy.

I think with any good QB (and playcaller), you can't sit in the same look all game long unless the front is just winning consistently at the line of scrimmage.

He may have a quick release and clutch on 3rd down, but I haven't seen any much evidence that he could carry a team if the running game isn't working.

So that's my theory to start off the game to nullify SF's game, and hope that the Chiefs offense can get up to 2 or 3 possession game, that SF may be forced to abandon their run game to try to keep up with KC.

Has there been a game where Garopollo has carried the 49'ers, this season? Not being snarky or anything like that, I just never really pay much attention to SF's games that much. I just know that Shanahan is somewhat like his father, and he also utilizes a lot of shifting/motions to create mismatches.

But what I do acknowledge is their defense, they're very good. That will be a problem.

ChiTown 01-20-2020 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741161)
Never claimed I made a difference. I'm just not a bitch, unlike you.

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8taylor2 01-20-2020 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 14741168)
Thanks and I look at that game as what I might expect the Chiefs offense to do because they are pretty similar. Not worried about Ford we know what that choker will do.

Yea, I think the Chiefs offense is quite a bit better than the Saints honestly.

Its not Ford you have to worry about, its Bosa.

dirk digler 01-20-2020 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741154)
If this boards idea of a good time is wishing injury on players, then yea, I probably will.


Then you should probably leave because we wish injuries on our own players like Alex Smith. :D

DRM08 01-20-2020 07:53 PM

Tend to think the Niners will use the Belichick strategy of jamming the receivers at the line. It's their best chance to disrupt timing on the routes and then hope Mahomes won't be able to make a play before their pass rush is able to get him.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 14741178)
Then you should probably leave because we wish injuries on our own players like Alex Smith. :D

Haha, guess I should take back that classy fan base comment then. :jester:

Anyong Bluth 01-20-2020 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14740621)
Please allow the 49ers, their fans, and the media to think that they’re going to be able to do whatever they want offensively!!!

Chris Jones is going to be ready to roll and this defense will be ****ing pissed.

Honestly, as upstanding Chief's fans, we all should be creating sock 49er fan accounts on IG & twitter & mercilessly trolling as many Chief's players as possible.

Every ounce of motivation counts.

staylor26 01-20-2020 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14741172)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unpopular opinion: the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefs</a> defense is just as good as the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#49ers</a> defense. <br><br>Season:<br>-Sacks: SF-48 KC-45<br>-QB hits: SF-93 KC-96<br>-INT: SF-12 KC-16<br>-PD: SF-74 KC-65<br><br>Since week 11:<br>-Rush ypg allowed: SF-101.7 KC-93.6<br>-Pass ypg allowed: SF-203.9 KC-235.9<br>-Ppg: SF-23.4 KC-15.5</p>&mdash; Brett (@Bski64) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bski64/status/1219431267600453632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Don’t let facts get in the way of narratives!

duncan_idaho 01-20-2020 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741177)
Yea, I think the Chiefs offense is quite a bit better than the Saints honestly.



Its not Ford you have to worry about, its Bosa.


Schwartz has gone up against Joey 2x a year for several years now. Will be interesting to see if that experience helps him.

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 14741178)
Then you should probably leave because we wish injuries on our own players like Alex Smith. :D


Yeah. He should not find the did, does, and always will ... Alex Smith thread.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14741172)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unpopular opinion: the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefs</a> defense is just as good as the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#49ers</a> defense. <br><br>Season:<br>-Sacks: SF-48 KC-45<br>-QB hits: SF-93 KC-96<br>-INT: SF-12 KC-16<br>-PD: SF-74 KC-65<br><br>Since week 11:<br>-Rush ypg allowed: SF-101.7 KC-93.6<br>-Pass ypg allowed: SF-203.9 KC-235.9<br>-Ppg: SF-23.4 KC-15.5</p>&mdash; Brett (@Bski64) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bski64/status/1219431267600453632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm by no means bashing the defense, but the stats past week 11 just don't paint an accurate picture I don't think.

The 49ers in that time played Arizona, Green Bay, Baltimore, New Orleans, Atlanta, LA(Rams), and Seattle.

The Chiefs in that time played LA(Chargers), Bye Week, Oakland, New England, Denver, Chicago, LA(Chargers).

Which list of offenses would you rather face?

I'm sure the Chiefs had some key injuries as well, I don't know for sure, but the 49ers were missing 3 of their top defenders for most of that stretch, all of which are back now.

Again, not bashing the Chiefs defense at all, but cherry picking the Week 11 stats just doesn't make sense to me.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14741197)
Schwartz has gone up against Joey 2x a year for several years now. Will be interesting to see if that experience helps him.

That is a good point, how does Joey typically do against ya'll? I'm sure that experience is a plus though. Also going to have familiarity with what Ford likes to do.

staylor26 01-20-2020 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741199)
I'm by no means bashing the defense, but the stats past week 11 just don't paint an accurate picture I don't think.

The 49ers in that time played Arizona, Green Bay, Baltimore, New Orleans, Atlanta, LA(Rams), and Seattle.

The Chiefs in that time played LA(Chargers), Bye Week, Oakland, New England, Denver, Chicago, LA(Chargers).

Which list of offenses would you rather face?

I'm sure the Chiefs had some key injuries as well, I don't know for sure, but the 49ers were missing 3 of their top defenders for most of that stretch, all of which are back now.

Again, not bashing the Chiefs defense at all, but cherry picking the Week 11 stats just doesn't make sense to me is all.

Yea which is clearly shown in the difference in PPG. Nobody is saying the Chiefs defense is better, it’s just a lot closer than people that don’t watch the Chiefs enough to know how much the defense has improved think.

Also, if you want to start talking about schedules and injuries, the Chiefs have had a MUCH tougher road during the season/playoffs dealing with MUCH worse injuries.

MOARGore 01-20-2020 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 14741173)
Has there been a game where Garopollo has carried the 49'ers, this season? Not being snarky or anything like that, I just never really pay much attention to SF's games that much.



The clearest examples would be the two games against Arizona because we couldn't really run at all in those two games, particularly the second one when Kittle didn't play.

He also didn't play the 4th quarter of the first game because of injuries.

Jimmy's had other games where's had good games and came through in clutch moments (Saints, Rams, Steelers), but the running game wasn't totally neutralized like in the Arizona games.

Megatron96 01-20-2020 08:20 PM

Niners trolls are here already? Thought it'd be at least four or five days before they drifted in with their cockamamie ideas about how Jimmy G. is a better QB than Mahomes . ..

MOARGore 01-20-2020 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14741224)
Niners trolls are here already? Thought it'd be at least four or five days before they drifted in with their cockamamie ideas about how Jimmy G. is a better QB than Mahomes . ..


LOL said no one ever.

DRM08 01-20-2020 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741199)
I'm by no means bashing the defense, but the stats past week 11 just don't paint an accurate picture I don't think.

The 49ers in that time played Arizona, Green Bay, Baltimore, New Orleans, Atlanta, LA(Rams), and Seattle.

The Chiefs in that time played LA(Chargers), Bye Week, Oakland, New England, Denver, Chicago, LA(Chargers).

Which list of offenses would you rather face?

I'm sure the Chiefs had some key injuries as well, I don't know for sure, but the 49ers were missing 3 of their top defenders for most of that stretch, all of which are back now.

Again, not bashing the Chiefs defense at all, but cherry picking the Week 11 stats just doesn't make sense to me.

Of course, I don't think any team is the same now as it was in Week 1.

KC picked up two big time players during the season and the early stats won't show that: Mike Pennel and Terrell Suggs. Both of these guys have helped KC become a better defense as the season moves along. Plus they have a new DC, so the early games of the season did not really give a fair idea of what the new DC's defense would look like at the end of the season.

Now it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with the Niners passing game. Thornhill is a big loss for the Chiefs' secondary. They got away with it the last two weeks, but could end up being a difference maker to help the Niners win the ballgame.

Hern 01-20-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14741172)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unpopular opinion: the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefs</a> defense is just as good as the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#49ers</a> defense. <br><br>Season:<br>-Sacks: SF-48 KC-45<br>-QB hits: SF-93 KC-96<br>-INT: SF-12 KC-16<br>-PD: SF-74 KC-65<br><br>Since week 11:<br>-Rush ypg allowed: SF-101.7 KC-93.6<br>-Pass ypg allowed: SF-203.9 KC-235.9<br>-Ppg: SF-23.4 KC-15.5</p>&mdash; Brett (@Bski64) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bski64/status/1219431267600453632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Don’t let this fool you from the fact that the 9ers are ranked 2nd in total defense. And KC is 17th.

duncan_idaho 01-20-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741208)
That is a good point, how does Joey typically do against ya'll? I'm sure that experience is a plus though. Also going to have familiarity with what Ford likes to do.


He has never sacked Mahomes. Got Smith a few times in 16 and 17.

MOARGore 01-20-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14741213)

Also, if you want to start talking about schedules and injuries, the Chiefs have had a MUCH tougher road during the season/playoffs dealing with MUCH worse injuries.


I think the schedules are comparable.

As for injuries, I don't know the Chiefs entire injury situation, but ours has been pretty brutal throughout the year as well.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14741213)
Yea which is clearly shown in the difference in PPG. Nobody is saying the Chiefs defense is better, it’s just a lot closer than people that don’t watch the Chiefs enough to know how much the defense has improved think.

Also, if you want to start talking about schedules and injuries, the Chiefs have had a MUCH tougher road during the season/playoffs dealing with MUCH worse injuries.

I hear what you are saying, I haven't heard much about the Chiefs defense, so certainly possible they haven't gotten enough credit this year. My point was more so cherry picking the Week 11 stats.

As for injuries, I can't speak on the Chiefs injuries, but the 49ers dealt with a ton themselves all season.

Hern 01-20-2020 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14741224)
Niners trolls are here already? Thought it'd be at least four or five days before they drifted in with their cockamamie ideas about how Jimmy G. is a better QB than Mahomes . ..

Whattttt????? What fan from any team would ever make that claim???

staylor26 01-20-2020 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14741231)
Don’t let this fool you from the fact that the 9ers are ranked 2nd in total defense. And KC is 17th.

Don’t let this fool you from the fact that the 49ers are currently 5th in PPG whole the Chiefs are 10th. A difference of 1.3 points per game.

This is with a MUCH tougher schedule and a completely new defense (players and scheme/coaches).

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14741224)
Niners trolls are here already? Thought it'd be at least four or five days before they drifted in with their cockamamie ideas about how Jimmy G. is a better QB than Mahomes . ..

Has anyone said that? 0_o

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-20-2020 08:26 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Very confused on this one we building a dynasty not a one hit pony !! We taking what’s ours y’all handling the NFC side <a href="https://t.co/B4JjzS20LB">https://t.co/B4JjzS20LB</a></p>&mdash; Anthony Hitchens (@AnthonyHitchens) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnthonyHitchens/status/1219303425453842435?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Franchise 01-20-2020 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14741231)
Don’t let this fool you from the fact that the 9ers are ranked 2nd in total defense. And KC is 17th.

Wasn’t a whole different defensive scheme to learn or anything.

dirk digler 01-20-2020 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741208)
That is a good point, how does Joey typically do against ya'll? I'm sure that experience is a plus though. Also going to have familiarity with what Ford likes to do.

He doesn't really do much and now that I think about it the big time pass rushers like Von Miller don't usually have big games against us. We had more problems with Aaron Donald than most of the edge pass rushers.

MOARGore 01-20-2020 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14741172)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unpopular opinion: the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefs</a> defense is just as good as the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#49ers</a> defense. <br><br>Season:<br>-Sacks: SF-48 KC-45<br>-QB hits: SF-93 KC-96<br>-INT: SF-12 KC-16<br>-PD: SF-74 KC-65<br><br>Since week 11:<br>-Rush ypg allowed: SF-101.7 KC-93.6<br>-Pass ypg allowed: SF-203.9 KC-235.9<br>-Ppg: SF-23.4 KC-15.5</p>&mdash; Brett (@Bski64) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bski64/status/1219431267600453632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



I think the Chiefs defense is underrated, but by this metric, our offense is just as good because we rank higher in total yards and points, but I don't think anyone believes we have the better offense.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14741239)
Don’t let this fool you from the fact that the 49ers are currently 5th in PPG whole the Chiefs are 10th. A difference of 1.3 points per game.

This is with a MUCH tougher schedule and a completely new defense (players had scheme).

Where are you getting this? By pretty much every metric I have seen, the 49ers played a tougher schedule. The Chiefs certainly didn't play a "MUCH" tougher schedule.

rlkats 01-20-2020 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14741224)
Niners trolls are here already? Thought it'd be at least four or five days before they drifted in with their cockamamie ideas about how Jimmy G. is a better QB than Mahomes . ..

Wow this must be the most ignorant post I have ever read. Careful pal your starting to sound like a raiders fan with all that intelligent insightful posting.


No Niner fan thinks Jimmy is better than Mahomes period. So put that narrative to rest.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-20-2020 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MOARGore (Post 14741234)
I think the schedules are comparable.

As for injuries, I don't know the Chiefs entire injury situation, but ours has been pretty brutal throughout the year as well.

We lost Mahomes for a couple games. Tyreek Hill was out for 3-4. Our LT missed half the season. Mahomes has played with a bad ankle since week 1. It is better now. Chris Jones has missed some time. Frank Clark played the first 8 games with a pinched nerve where he couldn’t feel his fingers. Our FS Thornhill is out for the year. Two of our DE Okafor and Okafor our for year with torn Pecs. Okafor was a starter. Damien Williams was hurt for a good portion of the season.

rlkats 01-20-2020 08:29 PM

100%agree

staylor26 01-20-2020 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741236)
I hear what you are saying, I haven't heard much about the Chiefs defense, so certainly possible they haven't gotten enough credit this year. My point was more so cherry picking the Week 11 stats.

As for injuries, I can't speak on the Chiefs injuries, but the 49ers dealt with a ton themselves all season.

He’s not cherry picking. Our defense was completely rebuilt this offseason with a new scheme/staff and half of starters being replaced. It wasn’t until week 11 that they started to gel.

And trust me, I know your injury situation and ours was worse. Just about every one of our best players missed time except for a couple.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14741252)
He’s not cherry picking. Our defense was completely rebuilt this offseason with a new scheme/staff and half of starters being replaced. It wasn’t until week 11 that they started to gel.

And trust me, I know your injury situation and ours was worse. Just about every one of our best players missed time except for a couple.

It is cherry picking when he is comparing it to the 49ers defense in an effort to make it look like they are better.

If he just wanted to post the Chiefs stats since Week 11, that is one thing, but when you start comparing it while using certain stats without telling the whole story, its cherry picking.

staylor26 01-20-2020 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741246)
Where are you getting this? By pretty much every metric I have seen, the 49ers played a tougher schedule. The Chiefs certainly didn't play a "MUCH" tougher schedule.

You opened your season with the Bucs, Bengals, Steelers, Browns, Rams, Redskins, Panthers, and Cardinals. You literally played nobody for the first half of the season. That’s what I was referring to.

DRM08 01-20-2020 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MOARGore (Post 14741245)
I think the Chiefs defense is underrated, but by this metric, our offense is just as good because we rank higher in total yards and points, but I don't think anyone believes we have the better offense.

Chiefs offense had a lot of problems this year. Multiple starting OL were out for big chunks of the season, Tyreek Hill was out for a big chunk of the season, Sammy Watkins was out for awhile, Mahomes' ankle was screwed for a huge chunk of the season, and Mahomes' dislocated knee cost him 2.5 games plus forced him to be pretty conservative when he returned.

It seemed Andy Reid went into "Alex Smith" mode with the playcalling to help Mahomes avoid further injury. I'm glad he did this. You can win plenty of games with the Alex Smith playcalling. Just get into the playoffs and then unleash hell downfield with Mahomes and his weapons. Fancy stats in the regular season don't mean anything at the end of the day.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14741262)
You opened your season with the Bucs, Bengals, Steelers, Browns, Rams, Redskins, Panthers, and Cardinals. You literally played nobody for the first half of the season. That’s what I was referring to.

...and then we played the 13-3 Packers twice, the 13-3 Saints on the road, the 14-2 Ravens on the road, the Seahawks twice...

The 49ers opponents over the course of the regular season had a better winning percentage than the Chiefs opponents.

staylor26 01-20-2020 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741266)
...and then we played the 13-3 Packers twice, the 13-3 Saints on the road, the 14-2 Ravens on the road, the Seahawks twice...

The 49ers opponents over the course of the regular season had a better winning percentage than the Chiefs opponents.

I don’t care about the winning percentages.

You play in a weak ****ing conference. Does anybody really ****ing think the Chargers 2x is anywhere close to the Cardinals 2x?

Not if you watch ANY ****ing football. The Chargers could’ve just as easily been a playoff team.

Megatron96 01-20-2020 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14741238)
Whattttt????? What fan from any team would ever make that claim???

Well, let's see . . . we've heard that D. Watson is a superior QB to Mahomes, is more athletic (I'll give them that), is faster (ditto), has a better arm (no way in hell), tougher (no idea where that comes from), and is mentally stronger (don't think so).

Then we heard that Tannehill was statistically a far better QB over the last 8 weeks or so, was more accurate, faster and tougher, and some other nonsense.

So I figured that the Niners trolls would follow suit.

Also, earlier in the year I visited a Niners site and read that Pat was just a system QB, that he was just lucky and would soon fall back to Earth and be no better than Derek Carr or someone, that Pat wasn't capable of leading his team back from adversity, that without Kelce and Hill, Pat would be no better than average, etc., and so on.

I don't really care; I've watched every game Pat has played about 4 times each, used the coaches film POV on GamePass, and I've been analyzing QBs for almost 30 years. As an amateur of course. But I've never seen anything like him. So IMO, Pat's the best I've ever seen. And the guy I had in first place before Pat was Joe Montana.

But I'm sure that before the SB gets started, some Niners trolls will be on here regurgitating some of those exact sentiments. Which is great.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14741269)
I don’t care about the winning percentages.

You play in a weak ****ing conference. Does anybody really ****ing think the Chargers 2x is anywhere close to the Cardinals 2x?

Not if you watch ANY ****ing football. The Vhargers could’ve just as easily been a playoff team.

LMAO

Imagine thinking the Chargers, Raiders, and Broncos are better than the Seahawks, Rams, and Cardinals.

JimNasium 01-20-2020 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741266)
...and then we played the 13-3 Packers twice, the 13-3 Saints on the road, the 14-2 Ravens on the road, the Seahawks twice...

The 49ers opponents over the course of the regular season had a better winning percentage than the Chiefs opponents.

You need to go back and double check. Chiefs had a tougher schedule than the 9ers based on a simple Google search. .520 opponents wining percentage to .510 for SF.

MOARGore 01-20-2020 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14741249)
We lost Mahomes for a couple games. Tyreek Hill was out for 3-4. Our LT missed half the season. Mahomes has played with a bad ankle since week 1. It is better now. Chris Jones has missed some time. Frank Clark played the first 8 games with a pinched nerve where he couldn’t feel his fingers. Our FS Thornhill is out for the year. Two of our DE Okafor and Okafor our for year with torn Pecs. Okafor was a starter. Damien Williams was hurt for a good portion of the season.


Our Pro Bowl LT also missed half the season, and our RT missed 4 games. Kittle missed two games, and gimped around in another one.

Our starting center and one of our starting receivers went on IR. Our slot receiver who was tearing it up in training camp had a foot injury, then an infection, and missed the whole season.

Our Pro Bowl fullback also missed 4 games.

On defense, we lost our NT and three rotation D-linemen for the year.

We lost Kwon Alexander for half the season.

Dee Ford missed 6 games.

Our starting FS missed 2 games, and our starting SS missed 4.

Sherman missed a game, and our other CB missed 6 or 7.

Our Nickel missed a game, too.



Both teams have been beat up, but we're in pretty good shape now relatively speaking.

staylor26 01-20-2020 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741272)
LMAO

Imagine thinking the Chargers, Raiders, and Broncos are better than the Seahawks, Rams, and Cardinals.

Is that what I ****ing said? I said conference.

I was using an example. The fact that they are both division teams is irrelevant.

Like that Chargers team absolutely destroyed that GB team you played to get to the SB. The NFC is ****ing trash.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-20-2020 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741272)
LMAO

Imagine thinking the Chargers, Raiders, and Broncos are better than the Seahawks, Rams, and Cardinals.

Yea I’m a Chiefs fan and I agree with you. Our division is mediocre at best. NFC West has 2 teams fighting for the number 1 seed with 2 weeks left. Rams almost made it as a wild card too

Megatron96 01-20-2020 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rlkats (Post 14741247)
Wow this must be the most ignorant post I have ever read. Careful pal your starting to sound like a raiders fan with all that intelligent insightful posting.


No Niner fan thinks Jimmy is better than Mahomes period. So put that narrative to rest.

If you say so. But I won't be terribly surprised if some Niners fantroll posts exactly that kind of nonsense before Sunday at the latest. It's not that big of a deal at this point; we've heard it all before from every fanbase of every team we've played this year (almost). Heck, we had DEN fans saying that Drew Lock would out-play Pat. It's gotten that silly.

duncan_idaho 01-20-2020 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MOARGore (Post 14741234)
I think the schedules are comparable.

As for injuries, I don't know the Chiefs entire injury situation, but ours has been pretty brutal throughout the year as well.

Both teams have been rocked by them. Mahomes missing 2.75 games the biggest one, on top of his other injuries.

RunKC 01-20-2020 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14741231)
Don’t let this fool you from the fact that the 9ers are ranked 2nd in total defense. And KC is 17th.

Here’s something every fan here knows. Dee Ford is a liability.

I can see him now overrunning his outside rush and our OT’s pushing him completely out of the play opening up a clear hole for Mahomes to run.

Believe us. We saw that asshole do this all the time for 4 ****ing years.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium (Post 14741275)
You need to go back and double check. Chiefs had a tougher schedule than the 9ers based on a simple Google search. .520 opponents wining percentage to .510 for SF.

No, you are looking here:

(Welp, apparently I am not allowed to post links, but I tried posting the CBS strength of schedule site)

Which, if you read the category, clearly states "Opponents combined 2018 win percentage."

My simple google search was fine...

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-20-2020 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14741281)
Both teams have been rocked by them. Mahomes missing 2.75 games the biggest one, on top of his other injuries.

Chiefs had the sixth hardest schedule meanwhile the 49ers had the 10th

rlkats 01-20-2020 08:44 PM

I did say so. Instead of spitting BS on what could happen why dont you post truth? That's right you cant because NO ONE EVER SAID IT.

duncan_idaho 01-20-2020 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14741282)
Here’s something every fan here knows. Dee Ford is a liability.

I can see him now overrunning his outside rush and our OT’s pushing him completely out of the play opening up a clear hole for Mahomes to run.

Believe us. We saw that asshole do this all the time for 4 ****ing years.

When he wasn’t being wham blocked out of plays by slot WR or on the shelf because he’s a brokedick until contract time.

I call him Bitchmade for a reason...

rlkats 01-20-2020 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14741280)
If you say so. But I won't be terribly surprised if some Niners fantroll posts exactly that kind of nonsense before Sunday at the latest. It's not that big of a deal at this point; we've heard it all before from every fanbase we've played this year. Heck, we had DEN fans saying that Drew Lock would out-play Pat. It's gotten that silly.


I did say so. Instead of spitting BS on what could happen why dont you post truth? That's right you cant because NO 49ER FAN EVER SAID IT.

MOARGore 01-20-2020 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14741277)
Like that Chargers team absolutely destroyed that GB team you played to get to the SB. The NFC is ****ing trash.


I think fans are biased toward their conference.

For example, most NFC fans think the AFC sucks because they don't watch it as much.

The Carolina Panthers beat both the Texans and Titans (after the switch to Tannehill) and we beat them 51-13.

The transitive property is pretty useless in football.

Megatron96 01-20-2020 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rlkats (Post 14741293)
I did say so. Instead of spitting BS on what could happen why dont you post truth? That's right you cant because NO 49ER FAN EVER SAID IT.

Chill, sweetheart. I'm just telling you what's been going around here since the season started. I just figured it was your team's fans' turn.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14741277)
Is that what I ****ing said? I said conference.

I was using an example. The fact that they are both division teams is irrelevant.

Like that Chargers team absolutely destroyed that GB team you played to get to the SB. The NFC is ****ing trash.

You picked the two worst teams from the division and tired to use that as some kind of proof.

Then you said the Chargers could be a playoff team in the NFC which is a complete ****ing joke.

The AFC has the Ravens and the Chiefs....thats it. No one actually thought the Patriots or Bills were good and no one thought the Texans were making it to the Super Bowl.

Somehow the completely ****ing joke of a conference had a winning percentage against the AFC. Strange how that works?

staylor26 01-20-2020 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741301)
You picked the two worst teams from the division and tired to use that as some kind of proof.

Then you said the Chargers could be a playoff team in the NFC which is a complete ****ing joke.

The AFC has the Ravens and the Chiefs....thats it. No one actually thought the Patriots or Bills were good and no one thought the Texans were making it to the Super Bowl.

Somehow the completely ****ing joke of a conference had a winning percentage against the AFC. Strange how that works?

No, I picked an example to show why records mean nothing. The Chargers and the Cardinals look like similar teams when you look at their records, but only an idiot thinks the Chargers aren’t clearly the better team. Do you still not get that point?

And I didn’t say the Chargers could be a playoff team in the NFC. I said they could’ve just as easily been a playoff team because they lost a shit ton of close games. Your reading comprehension skills need work.

The Pats and Bills were still better than the trash that was playing on WC weekend in the NFC. At least those teams have great defenses.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14741306)
No, I picked an example to show why records mean nothing. The Chargers and the Cardinals look like similar teams when you look at their records, but only an idiot thinks the Chargers aren’t clearly the better team.

And I didn’t say the Chargers could be a playoff team in the NFC. Do you ****ing read? I said they could’ve just as easily been a playoff team because they lost a shit ton of close games. Your reading comprehension skills need work.

So you didn't say the Chargers could have been a playoff team, you just said the Chargers could have been a playoff team? Got it. Thanks for clearing that up Chief(ha, see what I did there, because its a Chiefs forum, I made a punny, you're welcome world).

O.city 01-20-2020 08:57 PM

Just chill guys. We have a bye week. Well talk about this next week

****ing enjoy this

staylor26 01-20-2020 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741310)
So you didn't say the Chargers could have been a playoff team, you just said the Chargers could have been a playoff team? Got it. Thanks for clearing that up Chief(ha, see what I did there, because its a Chiefs forum, I made a punny, you're welcome world).

You said I said “in the NFC” you ****ing moron.

DRM08 01-20-2020 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14741271)
Well, let's see . . . we've heard that D. Watson is a superior QB to Mahomes, is more athletic (I'll give them that), is faster (ditto), has a better arm (no way in hell), tougher (no idea where that comes from), and is mentally stronger (don't think so).

Then we heard that Tannehill was statistically a far better QB over the last 8 weeks or so, was more accurate, faster and tougher, and some other nonsense.

So I figured that the Niners trolls would follow suit.

Also, earlier in the year I visited a Niners site and read that Pat was just a system QB, that he was just lucky and would soon fall back to Earth and be no better than Derek Carr or someone, that Pat wasn't capable of leading his team back from adversity, that without Kelce and Hill, Pat would be no better than average, etc., and so on.

I don't really care; I've watched every game Pat has played about 4 times each, used the coaches film POV on GamePass, and I've been analyzing QBs for almost 30 years. As an amateur of course. But I've never seen anything like him. So IMO, Pat's the best I've ever seen. And the guy I had in first place before Pat was Joe Montana.

But I'm sure that before the SB gets started, some Niners trolls will be on here regurgitating some of those exact sentiments. Which is great.

What's interesting about that is they are in the same division as Russell Wilson. Mahomes is Russell Wilson with a stronger arm. Incredible vision around the field, amazing accuracy on the run, really good scrambler to avoid sacks, and so forth. The Niners got to see it first hand in 2018. Did they think he is Colin Kaepernick Part 2? Kaep was never anywhere close to the pure passer of a Mahomes or Wilson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZMqZGHwozE

8taylor2 01-20-2020 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14741312)
You said I said “in the NFC” you ****ing moron.

So you are saying the Chargers could be in the playoffs in the AFC?

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for your conference now is it?

There is no way they'd get close in the NFC.

Thanks for proving my point!

Anyong Bluth 01-20-2020 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741032)
Sorry Chiefs fans, I planned on coming here in peace. I quite like the Chiefs and while we are enemies for the Super Bowl, in my experience Chiefs fans are pretty great and you have a classy organization.

When I see someone wishing and celebrating injuries on people, thats just disgusting to me. I'm sure I'll get banned for the previous post and I understand why, but even watching the Chiefs win I was hoping they'd stay healthy for the big game.

Before you go running off clutching your pearls, why don't you take a gander at your fellow 49er compatriot's scouting report on Pat.

Pulled from your 49er fan message board :

https://i.imgur.com/QCof83q_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium

dirk digler 01-20-2020 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14741313)
What's interesting about that is they are in the same division as Russell Wilson. Mahomes is Russell Wilson with a stronger arm. Incredible vision around the field, amazing accuracy on the run, really good scrambler to avoid sacks, and so forth. The Niners got to see it first hand in 2018. Did they think he is Colin Kaepernick Part 2? Kaep was never anywhere close to the pure passer of a Mahomes or Wilson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZMqZGHwozE


I totally forgot that play happened against the 49ers. That is one of my favorite Mahomes plays, just absolutely amazing.

staylor26 01-20-2020 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741318)
So you are saying the Chargers could be in the playoffs in the AFC?

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for your conference now is it?

There is no way they'd get close in the NFC.

Thanks for proving my point!

Are you ****ing reeruned?

We were talking about records. I’m saying the Chargers only won 5 games, but lost so many close games that they could’ve just as easily been a playoff team. They have a playoff caliber roster.

It’s not that complicated idiot.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 14741320)
Before you go running off clutching your pearls, why don't you take a gander at your fellow 49er compatriot's scouting report on Pat.

Pulled from your 49er fan message board :

https://i.imgur.com/QCof83q_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium

As I said in another post, I recognize every fan base has "those fans", including the 49ers fan base, I call them out as well. All pieces of shit.

8taylor2 01-20-2020 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 8taylor2 (Post 14741045)
I don't man, I know the 49ers have fans that are the same way and I try to call them out on it too.

As I said, most of my experience with Chiefs fans have been great.

See^

DRM08 01-20-2020 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 14741322)
I totally forgot that play happened against the 49ers. That is one of my favorite Mahomes plays, just absolutely amazing.

NextGen clocked that throw at 61 mph without his feet under him. Incredible arm strength and talent. Richard Sherman's response at the end of the play kind of says it all. The scrambling and the arm talent are flat out magical.


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