No, I wouldn't.

Would you bring in D-Hop to replace Hardman's role?

Probably not. Why would you take away the guy that was brought in to do exactly that?

I think we might have Toney for that role…

Im with you.

There seems to be some posters here that would be mad about the move.

I dont care one way or another, i trust veach will make the right decision.

I dont like people acting like Dhop is some shitty hasbeen that wouldnt be worth the investment.

You said he was looking for a raise in guarantees and base salary.

I replied that 20m guaranteed per year would be a raise against his zero guaranteed base salaries of 19m and 14m the next two seasons.

I dont know what the **** you would like me to prove

I don't think so, but we can agree to disagree on that.

Lol, just wait.

In a week or so DHop will be injury-prone on a level worse than Sammy ever was. Despite the fact that DHop has had just one serious injury in his entire career, he'll be branded a leper, or worse And he didn't reinjure that knee this season, but had an MCL tear (not nearly as serious), that's already been repaired and the expectation is that he'll be fully functional in about two months.

But CP will have him getting the knee amputated before April. And his collarbone will fall off.

Around May, DHop will be the inventor of COVID. With a pegleg and a missing collarbone.

The offseason is fun!

Yeah, i dont think hardmans role is what toney projects as.

I do think that hardmans role is easily replaced with any burner in the draft/free agency.


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Toney can do several of the things that Hardman has done, just not everything. Anything that has to do with sheer top speed isn't really Toney's thing. But that could be replaced in the draft, and many if not most of the WRs the Chiefs have a realistic shot at just happen to be those speed merchant type WRs.

Yeah, I honestly dont think hardmans contributions would be that difficult to replace in the mid rounds of the draft.


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Probably. And I like Mecole. Wanted to keep him through 2023. But at the end of the day, he's got one elite talent, and that's speed. Everything else is average to good. And there's no shortage of those kinds of WRs in the draft. At this point, it probably isn't financially prudent to spend more on Hardman.

If we are going to spend precious cap space on a WR then I'd rather sign OBJ. He's not going to cost a valuable pick.

The DeHop Meter is still saying NOPE

DHop averages about 8 tgts/gm. So, don't see why you'd have to force-feed him the ball. He allows Andy to dictate terms to the defense in ways he couldn't this season. And his cap hit can be structured.

This isn't realistic. Depending solely on the draft to develop high echelon players is what NE did. They produced no quality offensive players in that time. Now, I believe Andy/Veach can do better, but opting to ignore perfectly good, reasonably pirced offensive talent just because we didn't draft them is not very intelligent.

Here's the thing, and this is all I'm really doing here, because I've already said multiple times that I don't think DHop will be a Chief.

The thread title is "Do we WANT DHop?" I think the answer should be yes, no question. The value of his performance on the field is obvious, or should be. He's a prototypical WCO WR. He's exactly what Bill Walsh would've wanted, period. Next, he would take some of the pressure off Kelce to be Superman in every big game. thirdly, he'd get open early and Mahomes wouldn't have to run so much. Fourth, he could be a great influence on our young WR room.

Now, you want to bring up the cap hit, which has legs (and is the number one reason I don't think he's going to be a Chief), and for some reason how it would force Pat to throw umpteen hundred balls at him, and mess up the offense. This is just speculation, especially the second part. You also want to have blind faith that we'll just draft and develop enough top-tier WR talent through the draft for the next two or three seasons, in spite of the fact that we're drawing from the bottom of the pile, and will be for the foreseeable future. That's not a great recipe for success. It's not impossible, but the odds aren't stacked in our favor by any means.

And it strikes me as odd that you think Veach will just eternally pull rabbits out of his ass every year. Probability doesn't exactly support the notion, for any GM in history. Veach has done extremely well over the last two drafts, but it's a safer bet to believe that the math will catch up to him eventually and he won't draft quite so many solid players each and every year. Some years he'll do better than others. That's just the cold math of it.

Anyway, my function here is to build DHop's value through facts with as little speculation as possible, in response to the OP, in order to carry on the conversation. Your job (and others) is to diminish his value, I guess.

And why am I playing DA?

Because it's going to be a long offseason. I need something to amuse myself other than Jackson Mahomes doing stupid shit, et al.

I would say no I think, but if Veach made the move I'd be excited as **** to see DHop in a Chiefs uniform. Continuing the pipeline of productive rookies is how I'm hoping things go, but man Hopkins is so ****ing good.

Some of you guys are gonna be really disappointed when you find out hitting on 80% of your draft picks is unlikely to happen again in the next decade.

Can't hit on a pick if you don't have one. (2nd rounder +)

Once again I doubt he goes for a 2.

I believe in building through the draft and using resources smartly but some have turned what happened last year into a religion.

You must only use the draft.

You can't pay anyone $$$ over 30.


We can spin our wheels here all off-season debating this but I'm pretty sure our FO isn't as inflexible as some of our fans.

They were going to pay Hill big $$$$, just not the $$$$ Hill wanted.

I don't remotely think the Chiefs front office thinks they'll just hit on their picks all the time and don't need to explore trades or FA.

We’re at almost 600 posts so I guess we have to get him now. Otherwise we’ve all wasted our time expressing our feelings in this here thread on ChiefsPlanet.com, my favorite place to discuss Chiefs’ related issues.

Deandre Hopkins has a very legitimate chance to go down as a top 5ish receiver to ever play the game. EVER!

For those that dont agree, take away Jerry Rice, Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson. Tell me who else had a clear-cut more accomplished career at 30 years of age. His numbers are right there with ANYONE else you can name. Anyone!

Now do me another favor, google career stats and see what kind of years all the greats had at 31, 32 and 33 years of age. Seriously take 5 minutes to look. 95% of these dudes had multiple ENORMOUS years in their early 30s. Rice, Moss, Owens, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Cris Carter.

The only "greats" who didnt have monster years in their early 30s were Meagtron who retired at 30. I think we can all agree had Megatron decided to continue to play he wouldve had several more huge years. The second is Julio Jones whose body flat out broke down.

The fact that we are arguing over a 2nd round pick in order to acquire an all-time great is utterly absurd. You want a 3-peat? Trade for DHop! Want a chance to go down as the greatest dynasty ever? Trade for DHop! If you can make the cap work? Trade for DHop! No brainer.

And to end this "debate", a look back at every 2nd round pick KC has made since 2000: William Bartee, Eddie Freeman, Kawika Mitchell, Junior Siavii, Kris Wilson, Bernard Pollard, Turk McBride, Brandon Flowers, Dexter McCluster, Javier Arenas, Rodney Hudson, Jeff Allen, Mitch Morse, Chris Jones, Tanoh, Breeland Speaks, Hardman, Thornhill, Gay, Bolton, Humphrey. How many of those dudes have been pillars of our franchise? At best a 20% hit rate. Everyone else complete busts or JAGs.

Rolf youve got to be shitting me

Its more luck than anything. Sure some of it is Veach knowing his shit but you can be the best GM and just get really unlucky. Conversely you can be a shitty GM and throw shit at the wall and get lucky. Its not an exact science

I'm talking about getting him for what he's worth. Like a JJSS contract. No one is gonna give him anything close to $20 mil/yr, so if that's legit what he wants and won't accept less than he just won't be in the league.

What's a truck worth if you don't know if it will run?

Lol, nicely played. rep inbound.

Dude, give me a break.

I hardly think Toney is a Hardman clone by any stretch. But you’re really bringing Hopkins into the conversation in any sort of a relevant way?

Toney and Hardman bring big play gadget-ish ability with high upside. Hopkins is a borderline HOF receiver at the latter part of his career.

Make all sorts of false comparisons if you choose but bemoaning Hopkins because you’re losing Hardman is laughable.

Thats what im saying.

A second round pick to get the end of the prime era for an all time type of receiver is a steal.

Even if he only has 3 years of juice left, the 2nd round rookie would never be as productive during his first contract.


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Why on earth did you take the time to list a bunch of worthless names to create a false narrative instead of making the information relevant?

Brett Veachs 2nd round picks:

Hardman
Thornhill
Gay
Bolton
Humphrey
Moore

Yeah…I’d say those second round picks are important.

If he was 28…the conversation is different.

I don't think you are paying any attention at all to the fact that we already won a SB, setting a record with a QB or any other single player taking up over 13% of the cap-and Mahomes was 17%. Nobody else has ever done that. And next year it goes up to 23%. Not only can we not go on a spending spree, we're going to have to be pretty thrifty to keep the guys we've got and developed as they come up for extensions.

If we traded for Hopkins, and gave the expected new deal, you've got like a fourth of your ENTIRE CAP tied up in two guys. That's madness, especially considering you just won a SB with the #1 offense in football with a WR corps consisting of good but not great WR's.

It's not good cap value. Hopkins is a good player, no doubt, but not worth the percentage of our cap that we'd have to pay to have him, and it's not smart to do a multi-year deal and backload it because he's already over 30. This is not the way.

We may well sign a Paris Campbell type. We'll almost certainly bring back Watson. I'd just about bet the farm that Hardman will come back on a one year deal to try to improve his stock in '24 since he missed half of the season. You've already got MVS under contract. And you've got Toney, and Skyy.

But mostly, yeah, for the next couple of seasons, we'd be wise to lean heavily on the draft. In '25, Mahomes starts to be less of the cap, and then we can start taking some bigger swings.

Now, I'm not expecting 6 or 7 studs from every draft, but there's no reason to think Veach is suddenly going to start striking out when it appears he's just got into a lockstep with the coaching staff.

Brett Veach said recently that due to financial reasons, we'd be leaning on the draft. Because, yeah, duh, it's obvious when you're paying an elite QB elite QB money. Andy Reid said that Toney and Moore would be taking bigger roles next season.

So you guys can ignore the financial truths, you can ignore how bad of an investment it historically is to pay top market money to over 30 players in the NFL, and you can ignore what your GM and coach are literally telling you in interviews if you want to. You can ignore the last two years of team building, and you can ignore that signing a guy like Hopkins means UNDOING a chunk of what you've built to be able to afford it.

But this is dumb. Really dumb, it's not going to happen, and it's like arguing with children who want to have their cake and eat it too.

I said before he was traded to the Pats. I think your counting 11 years for Moss annd only 10 for Hopkins…let’s do apples to apples.

First 10 NFL years:
Moss: 10,874 yards, 689 receptions, 103 TDs
Hopkins: 11,298 yards, 853 receptions, 71 TDs

Soooo as you can see Hopkins is ahead of Moss besides TDs with each having 10 years in.

Hardmans expected deal is 4-40...you wanna give him that?

This is tarded. The guy has become injury prone and has missed 3 games for a hamstring/thigh issue and then he missed more games later because he tore his MCL on the same leg as the hamstring. He gets suspended for steroids and comes back to once again hurt that same knee that he tore his MCL.

Julio Jones was better than Hopkins and he fell off a cliff after he turned 30. You know what happened to him? He was relatively healthy and then became a broke dick. AJ Green was on a HOF trajectory, but once he hit 30 he sucked shit. Those are all recent examples and all of your examples come from years ago. Here's a list of 31 year old WRs that have over a 1000 yards each season starting with the most recent.

2022 - 0 - Adam Thielen (32)(716 rec yards) was 50th in receiving yards and closest to 1000 yds.

2021 - 0 - AJ Green (33) (848 rec yards) was 36th in receiving yards and closest to 1000 yds.

2020 - 0 - Cole Beasley (31) (967 rec yards) was 23rd in receiving yards and closest to 1000.

2019 - 1 - Julian Edelman (33) (1117 rec yards) was 18th in receiving yards.

2018 - 0 - Emmanuel Sanders (31) (868 rec yards) was 27tb in receiving yards and closest to 1000.

So 1 wide receiver that was 31 or older had over 1000 yards in a season over the last 5 years. This doesn't happen anywhere close to as often as you are saying it does.

Also why are you going back to 2000? Brett Veach has only drafted since 2018 and his record has been pretty good after that year.

Brett Veach's 2nd round picks (graded):

Hardman: +
Thornhill: +
Gay:++
Bolton: +++
Humphrey: ++++
Moore: n/a

Now, none of them are minuses, which is great. I mean, it's really pretty good, especially when you look at that long list of 2nd round busts in the last twenty years. And Gay and Skyy will probably both add a + maybe two by the end of next season.

Anyway, I think the point was that you really can't depend on even 2nd round draft picks to pan out any more than a 4th or whatever.

Depending on structure, that’s not bad.

Cap hits

3
10
13
14

Depending on structure, that’s a good deal for KC.

He’s probably still healing from surgery, so I doubt he’s going to have a list of offers while he’s rehabbing. He might not sign anywhere till after the first few waves of FA pass.

I wonder what OBJ would take for 2 years?

DeAndre Hopkins has had career season ending injuries the last 2 years.

I run to give him that deal.

Ok let’s just give the Cards #31! That’s when CEH was drafted……see what I did there?

Not me

He's not getting that after missing half of the season.

Expected by whom exactly?

I full expect that missing half of the year to injury, he takes a Juju-type one year deal to try to hit big next offseason. I think he'd be smart to do that, staying in the offense he's been in and try to get the big deal next year assuming he can stay healthy.


Still not a reason to give $20m plus to an over 30 year old receiver.

Weird, because his career hasn't ended?

Season ending. You know what I mean.

The thing about the cap is, Veach keeps making a mockery out of it. So I've stopped worrying about the cap number.

And what if I told you that I saw an article that described a way for Veach to make up to $22M in cap space, by cutting Frank but otherwise keeping everyone else, including OBJ and CJ? Now, it apparently would require restructuring at least CJ's deal, and putting OBJ on the tag, which I get it, not easy things. But it shows that there's at least one other way to skin a cat.

But at least you admit DHop is a good WR. it's a start.

He played into December each season, no?

I never said he wasn't good. I say he's too expensive, and at his age, not a wise investment.

And I find it interesting that you assume Veach can keep making a mockery of the cap, but not continue drafting well. It's kind of picking and choosing what you want to believe, isn't it?

I see two very concrete, easily understandable reasons why we've been killing the draft:

Continuity. The Chiefs have a very strong foundation in both offensive and defensive schemes, with well established coordination and coaching at every level. Normally, successful teams have new coordinators every year. We have continuity and exceptional communication between the front office, scouts, and coaching staff. THAT is why the last few drafts have been successful, and why I expect it to continue.

Andy Reid: the man loves to tinker, and probably his greatest attribute is his ability to look at what he's got to work with, and figure out how to use it to beat you. I mean, does Hopkins somehow get MORE open on 'corndog' or something? Just give the guy good football players, and he'll be fine. Diverse skillsets in particular are great, because it allows you to scheme all sorts of routes to clear out other routes and put guys in position to succeed.

Yeah, but...

We play into February.

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Sixth grade breakup is overdue

Man, did you guy see SNL? Crazy. Trav was great though. Especially for a football player.

Dealing with the salary cap is math. Just creative math.

Drafting is a lot more than math. There's an alchemy to it that defies the raw numbers. If it wasn't, Ryan Leaf would've been a superstar.

But so far anyway, Veach hasn't exactly hit it out of the park as far as drafting WRs go. Some good ones (and I'm having to include Toney here), but nothing great. Yet.

So, let's not pretend that Veach hasn't had a couple misses. Like Kinnard. He's human, so shit happens.

So all trades/FA signings are successful? Has Veach missed on any trades or FA signings? I'm sure he has.

I'm not sure why you are presenting that drafting a player is a crap shoot. But not giving that same reasoning to trading/signing for a player isn't always a success story. There are plenty of examples of failures for both scenarios.

When you have 1 of the greatest offensive coaches of all time + QB + tight end and a top 5-10 offense line I fail to see why you need to go out and get an elite WR. They proved that this past season.

Trading a 2 for a guy who probably has a 2 or 3 year window and probably wants a new contract seems more like a Carl Petersen move not a Veach move.

Now if we could get him for a couple middle round picks and perhaps a new contract that softens the cap hit at the end (if that's even possible) I would support it but I'd rather sign a veteran WR and use those middle round picks to either stay put at and add depth or use as capital to trade up for someone Veach targets on his board.

If you draft a second round player, he's under a rookie contract and counts almost nothing against the cap.

A FA at least doesn't take draft picks.

If you trade pick(s) for a player that also takes a big contract...

...that is going to hurt if it goes south.

Wth? Did you see that list of 2nd round picks since 2000? 2nd rounders are supposed to be decent, right? That's why you drafted them in the 2nd, I presume. There's a lot of straight shit in KC's 2nd round drafting history, my friend.

Look, skip the procedure for how the player got here. Skip the compensation. Deandre Hopkins somehow lands in KC and his contract is for zero dollars, no picks for one year. As is.

Is he good enough for you to put him in a uni?

GB management for nearly 20 years.

This is a false equivalency. Green Bay drafted poorly and didn't really sign any free agents. This isn't the case in KC we literally saw it last season

This is a false equivalency. Green Bay drafted poorly and hardly signed any free agents. KC literally did the opposite the past few years

This is a false equivalency. Green Bay drafted poorly and hardly signed any free agents. KC literally did the opposite the past few years

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So one season of great drafting, though no WRs really, means it's going to be smooth sailing for the next twenty years, huh? Good to know.

Btw, NE did it too. And how many years did they go between dynasties?

Huh what? Veach has pieced together 2 great drafts and has signed free agent WRs at great value not only helping his QB win league MVP but a super bowl as well. Jesus christ dude are you purposely being obtuse? This is nothing like Rodgers tenure the last decade + or Bradys 10 year span of not winning a super bowl. It's like you're throwing poor examples at the wall hoping they stick so you have an excuse for trading for Hopkins

Like did you miss the signing of JuJu or MVS? Maybe you didn't watch the last half of the season where Pacheco a 7th round pick was a huge piece of the offense?

For ****s sake damn near every draft pick contributed in the post season. He also traded for Kadarius Toney.

Comparing that to Green Bays front office get the **** out of here with that horrible argument

Are you actually ****ing reeruned? I think you are. Go back and read you ****ing dumbass ****. Of all the ****ing idiots on this board, you're right at the top.

This amount of anger is just latent spillover from Twisted owning your ass in the Matt Ariza thread. Let it go, dude. Everybody has obviously forgotten that you are a rape apologists who doesn’t believe in the science behind blacking out while drinking. You never see the real Mel Kiper get upset when people call him an idiot. Try to be more like your idol.

Go check out WR salaries at OTC or Spotrac and see if you still feel the same way.

That price point is the bottom of mid/low tier WR.

Oh dude. What? Come on. You're deliberately being obtuse. You don't even believe the things you're saying now.

It's like I don't even know you anymore.

I provided a false narrative?? I provided historical context and felt the year 2000 was a good reference point. Why tf didnt you list Veachs 2017 and 2018 second rounders if you want to keep it to just Veach?? Kpass and Breeland Speaks? Two complete busts! Veach has been GM since 2017.

Kpass
Speaks
Hardman
Thornhill
Gay
Bolton
Humphrey
Moore

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. Of that group listed above I wouldnt be surprised if only 2/8 earn a second contract (Humphrey and Bolton). TBD on Gay.

This thread has proven, Hopkins is a homewrecker. That would be detrimental to team chemistry

I’m not, as you all know, opposed to making a trade for some weapons

I just wouldn’t do it for a guy this age

and at this cost, at this particular moment in time, when our QB is about to be 23% of our cap.

DeAndre picked up the mantel were Megatron left off. Drafted by a bad team destined to be a stat warrior only. Texans-Cards-screwed any say where he goes by a team with no ties

We have so many many guys in rookie deals we could do it but again, atleast make a swing for a guy that’s young

Dude. I'm playing Devil's Advocate. I outed myself in that regard half a dozen posts ago. You're playing the opposition. It's March. This is the game we play here.:)

Of course any one would for zero compensation. What kind of silly question is that?

I can't just ignore reality that he wants a new contract, with more years and more guaranteed money though. Then you add in that he is now over 30, has had some injury issues in the recent past that made him miss significant time. Then the draft capital that is would cost to get him. Nah, I'm good.

Of course you are going to say he isn't injury prone. But yet here is his last 4 years worth of injuries.

Jan 5, 2019 NFL Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain
Aug 16, 2020 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Sep 30, 2020 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Oct 21, 2020 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Dec 10, 2020 NFL Cervical Neck
Dec 10, 2020 NFL Back Lower Lumbar Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Sep 22, 2021 NFL Chest Rib Sprain/Pull Unspecified
Oct 25, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Oct 28, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2
Dec 13, 2021 NFL Knee MCL Tear Grade 3
Dec 29, 2022 NFL Knee Strain Grade 1


He is getting older. Clearly his body is starting to show signs of being elderly on the football field with the change in his injuries from the beginning of his career compared to now.

I get it, you like the guy. You think his abilities could add to the offense. I agree, they can. But that is not looking at the complete picture of bringing him here. That is simply looking at abilities on a playing field. There is more to it than that.

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Maybe he has indicated he is NOT going to ask for a stupid ass contract

There aren't a ton of other options at receiver and they can't let him walk without replacing him with how they have basically nothing proven at WR under contract. MVS is a roleplayer, Toney wasn't ready to play more than a couple of snaps in the Superbowl and can't stay healthy, and Moore is a low upside guy.

Every player has a list like that, that's played as long as DHop has. Mahomes has a list as well. But like DHop, few, like two, kept them off the field, so what?

This isn't about like. I don't like Josh Allen (in particular) or Joe Burrow, but I'm not stupid. I can see that they're both elite level QBs. I can discern that if Mahomes didn't exist, and I had either of those two QBs or could acquire either, I'd be happy to have them playing for my team.

The fact remains that if DHop walked into the building, he'd be the best WR on the room, not just in 2023, but the best WR that Mahomes has ever played with, by a large margin.

KC scored TDs at an historic rate when Kelce, Hill and Watkins were all healthy and on the field at the same time. And DHop is significantly better than Watkins at his peak. It was so efficient, that our PK and punter barely saw the field, turning in nearly record lows in FGA and punts. And I think, I'd have to go back and do the math to be sure, but I think KC was scoring at over/nearly a 70% clip when they were all healthy.

And as I've said, none of us really know what Dhop wants, or even what ARI really will accept right this second. It's speculation. Just as I don't really know if DHop wants to come to KC. But if Veach signs him, I'm sure it will be fine, because he wouldn't eff the team's future.

Now, personally (dropping the DA thing for a second), I don't think we want to give up a 2nd for DHop. Iirc, we only have like 9 picks this year? So that might not be the best idea. But a 3rd and almost anything? Sure, why the hell not.

No. Not every player has a list like that.

To compare the obvious degrading of his body. Here is his list from 2013-2018 up to the list I posted earlier covering 2019-2022.

Sep 20, 2015 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1
Dec 23, 2014 NFL Hand Wrist Ligament Tear
Aug 17, 2013 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1
Dec 25, 2017 NFL Leg Calf Pull

You're clearly not seeing the obvious. Or just out right ignoring it. It's not just about draft capital. It's not just about age. It's not just about money. But when you add all of them up. It's about all of them.

In light of a weak FA market and a waek-at-the-to draft at WR, I think the best course is a 2-year deal for JuJu or Lazard-level, use a 3rd or 4th to trade up in the 2nd for Hyatt if he is still there, draft an RB that is a very good receiver, get by for one more year when the market hopefully improves. I don't like trading up, and I certainly don't like trading a 2nd for a 31-yr old with health questions...I would have to be convinced he is the difference between a plyoff team and a SB winning team. I don't think he is that difference.

Lol, so if we can find ONE player that doesn't have more than a couple injuries over a 10 year career, that nullifies the point? Come on. Most players have a list of injuries after ten years, that is a fact. The exact length of said list is immaterial.

And btw, 'Grade 1' by definition is basically a tweak; it's minor, as in probably didn't keep him out of the game. So you can basically throw all of those 'Grade 1s' out.

Grade 1: "A Grade I ankle sprain is the least severe. This is a stretching of one or more of the ligaments which results in mild pain and tenderness. Usually, the patient can bear weight and has only mild stiffness in the ankle joint."

That leaves maybe 4-5 actual injuries on your list, and a couple of those like (cervical neck) that also didn't keep him off the field for a significant period.

Again, he's had one serious injury that kept him off the field for a significant period, and that's it. The rest are just typical football injuries that all ten-year vets accumulate during their careers.

EDIT: sorry, keep forgetting the MCL. He's had two actual injuries.

Pujols is selling his Leawood house. Maybe Hopkins can move in there.

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