Meh. While I think this is a lower tier course for a US Open all that matters for a good golf tournament is does the set up reward good shots? It can be a great competition if the course rewards good shots but people still go low and it can be a terrible competition for golf if all the guys are over par and it doesn't reward good shots as much and luck becomes a bigger factor.

Seems like there is a simple solution to that problem. Stay out of the rough and don't even risk getting unlucky.

You can have a setup that rewards good shots where par is a good score rather than birdie. That's generally what a US Open is supposed to be instead of same birdie fest seen on tour every single other week of the year.

There should be a difference between a good golf tournament and the national championship.

"Are you trying to embarrass the best players in the world?"

"No, we're trying to identify them."

Bad shots should be brutally punished in the US Open.

All of these setups with massive fairways are always turkey shoots. Same as that ****ing joke Erin Hills.

That's the other problem. I'm not even sure how much the USGA could even do to fix this the rest of the week given how large the fairways are.

One guy in the history of majors shot 62, and we are one par away from two guys doing it in the first half of day 1.

Then instead of rough and dumb fairway bunkers, more hazards and ob. That is how you help eliminate luck.

For example, just yesterday me and my buddy hit our drives to the same spot. Within 4 yards from reach other. My lie was ball completely buried. His was perfect lie. I had to hack a Gap wedge out from 160 and barely got it 100 yards. He hit a easy 9i onto the green. Thick rough is lazy and stupid. Hazards and OB good because if you lose your drive or shot it effects all players exactly the same.

Graduated rough is what you're looking for, but over the course of one event, luck will not even put.

I would be a huge proponent for smaller fairways and much larger ring of secondary rough. Aesthetically that would probably piss some people off. Then taper off the thick rough the further you go away. In reality that is extremely difficult to do as it sometimes depends on the terrain in certain areas how the rough grows in.

380 off the tee and people don't want them to roll back the ball.

Nope. Nor the clubs, either. Let them wear shorts and whatever clothing attire they wish as well. Give 'em a cart. Speed this shit up.

These rounds are taking like 6 hours too, right? Unbearable.

Golf carts!

I thought this course was supposed to be difficult. How does the USGA allow two dudes to shoot -8 (one of them being Rickie "Leonardo" Fowler no less?)

Hooters on every hole!

I like the way you think

Rory and Harman are -5 through 8. They may break the record tonight that was just set. What are we doing here?

They're gonna be cutting the cups on ridges tomorrow to drag that cut line back down tomorrow

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Like seriously, the cut tomorrow might be +3 or +2. At the us open. Crazy failure of a setup.

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They don't care. They're the stupid one who sucks the peniss that ruined the traditional format in favor of rounds you could shoot in Tiger Woods 2005.

I'm not sure the USGA could have placed these pins in easier locations.

Six guys on pace to shoot 64 or better. I don't know if six people shot 64 or better in the US Open from 2000-2010.

Turns out it was exactly six (Brooks, Kite and Vijay at Southern Hills in 2001, Austin at Olympia Fields in 2003 and Glover and Weir at Bethpage in 2009). The winning scores there were -4, -8, and -4 and those were the easy ones that decade.

This course is an embarrassment.

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Winner at -15?

Prob wasn't a par 70

Let's see you go play it. See how you do

It's not supposed to test me. It's supposed to test the best players in the world. The course choice is a joke, and they were caught with their pants down. If you need the weather to act differently from how it normally does for the course to pose a challenge, then you chose the wrong course.

The USGA no longer places any importance on driving accuracy when this tournament used to be the hardest test of driving.

Bryson Dechambeau won a few years ago by just bombing it. He hit plenty out of the thick rough. The difference was he was hitting wedges and 9i and other players had to try to hit 6i or 7i. If anything thick US Open style rough can make just hitting the piss out of the ball the play.

There is a massssive difference in trying to hit a mid iron out of the rough compared to a short iron. I don't really think fairways hit is that big of a difference from top to bottom. Most players there is a 8 to 10% difference in fairways hit. But Rory is always gonna bomb it 330 and poor little Chez Reavie gonna hit not even as far as I do. Guys like him are completely ****ed. They can't ever hit 330 on avg.

The problem with this course is that players like Rory and DJ can bomb it 330 every hole with no fear of going into the rough because their fairways are so wide and play wedges into virtually every hole. It's a total joke.

DJ basically didn't even make a putt today and he shot 64.

DeChambeau was playing in September, not June. That course did not have the same teeth it would have in the summer because it was neither firm nor fast and the baked out greens will not hold shots from that rough, even with a nine iron, and Winged Foot had removed thousands of trees.

Anytime the US Open has a course with tight fairways and thick deep rough the players whine and cry to anyone with a mic and camera. Scream bloody murder do you want our open to be won above par. The tour pros won and the USGA has backed off. It will now be the open of long bombers.

Hitting the ball far is important. There is a club pro sitting on his ass somewhere reading the paper who hits 280 and thats simply the only reason he isn't making money by playing golf.

No surprise but they're definitely shoving the pins off onto the edges tomorrow to try and knock the scores down. Let's see if it makes a difference.

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To paraphrase the great urban poet Ice Cube, they're ripping this course's asshole apart.

Eat **** pie, Doucheambeau.

70-80 players are gonna make the cut. And smash the reecord for cut line. +4 last year and 03. Gonna be +2.

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Saw that Fowler was in the lead....that would be nice if he won.

He looks like Leonardo Dicaprio.

Happy Father's Day to me.

They were supposedly going to dry the course out today and Tom Kim is -7 through ten.

The pussification of the US Open continues.

Holy shit-Clark just Aliced a chip shot.

I have done that many times---but a pro?????

Took two and a half days but starting to see signs of the course fighting back a little bit.

JC. What a putt Fowler just made.

Liking this-watching golf at night-thing.

Obviously, that two shot swing on 18 was massive. Fowler spent a few extra seconds over that put on 18, and you could tell he wasn't comfortable. It's hard to do, but you need to step off when that happens.

Rahm in the mix? It's good to see Cam Smith again, the prodigal son.

CADDYSHACK! :thumb:

Now Look Who Creepin Look Who Crawlin, Still Balling In The Mix
It's That 6'6" Long-dicked Slim nga Stickin Your Chick

How crazy is it that the first day they were blowing the doors off the course and the last two days the course is bitch slapping them all over the place!

What the hell happened to Justin Thomas. Guy has lost his game nearly as bad as David Duval did. He was 14 ****ing over. Missed the cut badly.

Spieth also has lost his putting game.

Rahm has cooled off a lot.

Jason Day won 1 tournament in the last 6 years recently and he has fallen back to playing like shit.

Golf is one streaky game.

It was a great round yesterday. Hope today lives up to the hype.

I saw the crowds looked a little thin. Was it just me or was it LA?

They limit the number of spectators to 22,000 so the crowds will look smaller than at other venues.

2/3 of those are VIPs, so it's really only 8,000

Bitch slapping? We must be watching a different course. Twenty-three guys shot par or better yesterday, over 1/3 of the field. Thirteen guys shot 67 or better on Friday. The fairways are too wide and the pins too limited to make this a complete test. This is more like Bay Hill.

I'll be pulling for little Ricky.

The greens made for crazy putts.


But again--NBC golf broadcasts are boring.

Same here...
Ricky is a solid person....

I'm rooting for Rory because I think he's the most talented golfer of my generation but would be happy for Fowler. He's had kind of a disappointing career based on early expectations.

Rory really has alot of pressure on him. Somehow Koepka now has more majors than him despite Rory clearly being a much superior player. He will have more chances in the next 5 years but not a ton. In the modern game its exponentially harder to compete at 40+ yrs old. Amazing how Mickelson did it a few years ago.

Amazing stat I just encountered...Phil Mickelson has NEVER been the #1 golfer in the world. Never, ever, ever. Yet if Tiger Woods didnt exist he may be the 4th or 5th best golfer to ever live.

hyped! ready for the later pairings

That's because he's a choker

Fully expecting Rory to blow yet another major he should win here.

That would be totally awesome. Unfortunately that would likely mean fowler would win.

Fleetwood is -8 through 14. Looks like we might have another break the major scoring record this week.

The tee times are absurd. It'll be around 11:00 pm ET when the round finishes.

Also never won player of the year. Had a chance to be #1 in late 2006 when all he had to do was make a cut, but he missed it. Then Tiger had a resurgence at Hoylake and solidified the #1 ranking until his knee injury.

Don't really know how someone could root against Rickie Fowler at this point, but okay.

This is early. They were an hour and twenty minutes later than this yesterday.

Yeah it's a weird flex.


63 on a Sunday at the US Open. ****ing stupid

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Brutal putt from Rory on 3 considering he just saw the line and the speed of it from Scheffler. Same issue as last year's British...putting.

Scheffler looks like Jay Leno.

Fowler choking hard again on a major Sunday.

Looks like it is between Wyndham and Rory. Rory's ball striking has been on point, but Clark has been excellent today so far.

Don't fall apart Rickie

not looking good

I was pulling for Leo Dicaprio to win but he's choking so far.

Rory missing 4 footers for birdie now LMAO

gonna need a mac attack on the back noine, and to drain that 1 on noine

clark....oof

His caddie needed to stop him there and talk him into taking an unplayable. Major mistake.