How about 3:29?

Yes. But he wasn't under pressure. The other two throws were much better b/c of the pressure.

I can't believe it took me this long.

Geno Smith's initials are GS. That's the same as mine.

This shit is destiny, I'm telling you.

I couldn't find one play on that entire video where he moved his head before scrambling.

He throws to his first receiver most of the time.

**** you bubb

I already had this conversation about Geno's reads and how he looks off defenders either with kcbubb or Blackbob. I can't remember which one, but it went nowhere the first time. I really have no desire to have it again.

jesus reeruned ****ing christ


i think black bob has 'game tape' for the people who have never bothered to watch smith play...

I'm curious as to how many "reads" some of you think a QB has once the ball is snapped?

ROFL Really.

That pump and go was pretty friggin sweet too. His deep ball touch is incredible.

I guess no credit is given unless a guy is under pressure, goes from one side of the field to the other 3 times and throws a 50 yard laser underhanded.

awesome. so QBs don't make reads or manipulate the defense with their eyes. Brees is one of the best at it. We need someone with the ability to do this.

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You have vids of him doing that in college?

Was Brees doing that from day 1?

Unfortunately that is one of Geno's main flaws. You can't stare down WR's in the NFL and expect success. Cassel did that with Bowe and well....we know how that ended.

OH MY GOD GUYZ!!!! QBS CAN NEVER GET BETTER! IF HE WASN'T DOING IT IN COLLEGE.....HE'S NEVER GOING TO DO IT IN THE NFL!!!

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You want to see him under pressure and make a read?

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In all seriousness, I'd say 85% of a Qb's "reads" are done presnap. Usually, in most route combinations, depending on defensive alignment, you will have a deep read, intermediate read, and a short read. As a Qb, you are taught to read deep to short, when time in the pocket permits. Other defensive alignments require a route underneath, pulling LBs up, a deep post pulling safeties back and an intermediate in the middle drop zone.

Zone vs. man reads are alot different. You can't always say a guy "locks" onto a wr, and know exactly that it is infact what he did. For instance, presnap if I know I have single converage on the outside with my speed guy and he's running a deep go or a flag, I'm "locking" on to him until I determine he's beating his man or not. If it's a post and I know there in single deep or cover 3 (unlikely route combo IMO) I've gotta move that guy in the middle and hope my guy beats the man under.

Watch some of Brady's 2007 tape. He locks onto Moss, nearly every play action pass and waits, because he knows presnap where and what he's seeing.

Most plays don't have reads on a single side, with a route or two on the other side that are usually the 3 or 4th read and you have on average 2.5 seconds to determine what to do.

That was against Marshall, Pest. That one doesn't count.

The fact of zone vs. man will determine alot of "reads". IIRC, OU plays alot of man and man under with a single safety.

Show me a better college deep ball. Cmon bubb still waiting for Brees looking off safeties like a madman in college as well.

In that Brees film, most of his look offs, or the first few minutes I watched, teams are playing alot of straight zone. The Bears play Tampa 2, which makes it a must by the Qb to move guys around.

It's not that O. It's comparing a 10 year pro headed for the HOF to a college Sr.

This. It's ****ing stupid.

It's like coming out and saying that this team needs Joe Montana in his prime to be successful. If that was the case....no one would EVER draft a QB.

First one that I have seen. He has some talent. I just don't think he will translate well to the NFL. The game will be way to complex for him. He won't be able to throw to his first WR all the time. We don't need a QB that is as raw as Geno is. We need someone who can play now. He's got a nice release. Throws the ball pretty well. Inconsistent sometimes, but they all are.

Another clown trying to disprove my man Geno. Prepare to be........


OWNED!!!!

And which QB is going to step in now and take this team to a Superbowl?

Apparently, you didn't read that he grew up as a child prodigy. Yeah, I'm sure a boy-genius doesn't just become stupid overnight, and I'm quite confident the NFL playbooks and schemes won't be too "complex" for dumb ole` Geno. Maybe Powe, but not Geno.

Sweet. Another round of whack a troll.

I think bubb's trying to say that a colored fella shouldn't be starting for his Chiefs.

Took about a minute. He did it at 1:15 in the video.

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At 1:15? No he didn't.

A person can be a genius and not be able to manipulate defenses. You can be smart and not have that talent.

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he'll have to stay out of the infirmary.

Now you are cherry picking and comparing a guy's ENTIRE college career highlight vid to one of EVERY throw of ONE game.

Sorry. 1:13. He looks to the right and then back to the left.

Any QB that has Wilson's OL is gonna get ****ed up. He's taken like 20 shots to the chest and still makes perfect throws and gets up like it was nothing.

No, he didn't. Brees never looked to the right.

and already has all those miles on him before playing in the NFL. If this kid gets hit and spurs another concussion or his shoulders get ****ed up in his first 3 years you can thank his college OL.

I don't blame you guys for doing this. But you are falling in love with something that doesn't translate to the NFL. We have had such bad QB play and haven't drafted one for so long that it is easy to fall in love with a guy that looks sexy throwing it. He throws a pretty ball. But he doesn't show the mental part of the game. I wish he did. I'm sorry. He's also pretty inconsistent, but again they all are.

I think we found Blackbob's uncle.

Wow. Really? His head whips back around to the left. And then he hits the guy in stride. Sorry you can't see that.

Go watch RGIII's highlight against OU last year, tell me how many "reads" he makes.


I watched that game live by the way and after rewatching the highlights of all his throws, it wasn't as impressive as I remember.

As soon as he snaps the ball....he looks up into the middle of the field....and then looks left. He didn't look right.

He won't have a shitty OL like that if he comes to KC. And he's dealt with this for 1 year. That's not gonna ruin him.

If anything, he's proven that he's a tough SOB who has an incredible pocket presence and stands tall.

1 little concussion and he's Tony Moeaki. Holy ****ing shit people.

Which is fine, but IIRC, this was his 3 concussion.

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He makes one play in the whole clip where he makes a read and throws to a guy that isn't the first option. He pump fakes quite a bit, which is good to see.

Wear and tear is ****ed it just takes one killer hit to **** you over unless you are made out of different shit like Elway and Favre. "one little concussion"?Dude that's serious shit that could **** with him throughout his career.

I like Wilson alot, he's 1b for me though.

I'd like him better if he didn't have the medical red flags.

Same thing can be said about Geno or any other QB in this draft. One hit like we gave Big Ben could happen to anybody.

Wilson looked good bc of Petrino. He holds onto the ball too long.

Yes, it can happen to anyone. But the fact that reports are showing that an initial concussion makes you more prone to concussions reoccurring with less actual force isn't something to wink at.


Again, I'm not saying throw the guy out, but the concussion thing is something to think about.

Scott? Is that you?


Need any help packing?

Have you seen the skins offense? RGIII is changing the game. It helps to be an olympic athlete. Geno is not RGIII and he can't run that offense.

As I stated before Wilson is more susceptible to injury because of his history, when I hear "he's a tough SOB" that usually means he's taking an influx of hits that will **** with him though out his playing years and this shit is already happening in college.

Do you remember Brian Brohm?

Yeah, changing the game by sitting on the bench cause he's getting his ass knocked off?


And answer the question, last year against that OU defense, how many times did he make a read and come to the other side of the field?


Before you come in this thread and start shitting on QB's, you might wanna do a little research into how QB's actually play.

I'm just ready for him to be looked at by elite doctors at the combine and this worry to go away.

His OL is by far the worst of any of these QB's.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything?


Does it have to do with the fact that Geno ran a prostyle offense as a sophmore and was successful? Or that he's put up numbers in any system he's been in?


This ****ing fanbase.

Let me guess, you are on board with grabbing Vick or Alex Smith and starting them right?

Meh, his oline is bad, but that offense puts it's QB in bad situations because of the route tree and route combo's.

:) That's funny. Have you watched the skins play? RG3 doesn't have to make a lot of reads right now. They are running the option and running play action passes off of it. That's there base offense. He doesn't have to be RGIII right now because of his athletic ability. Geno doesn't have that luxury.

I have another gif where he read the d that i made, but i cant post links on here yet. Can i send it to someone to post?

Yeah, I've watched the Skins play. I've also watched Shanny's offense for 15 years, which is what they are running.


Dude isn't gonna make it by relying on his athletic ability and if you want a QB that has to do that to be your franchise QB, you're a moron.

The reason RGIII will be successful is if he uses his legs, when he absolutely must.

He's still doing the same thing he did in that OU film, where he takes off when the first option isnt' there. He got blasted against OU and he's taking unneeded shots now.

send it to bfett81@gmail.com

Brian Brohm played for Petrino in Louisville. He looked like a pro coming out too. Wilson has not played well without Petrino.

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I like Geno. Would be thrilled if we got him. But I'm partial to Tyler Wilson.

He has everthing you could want from a QB. And the stereotype of Petrino being the reason for his success is moot when you have a ST's coach and put up the same numbers as the year before with jack shit on the field (Cobi Hamilton was almost always double covered).

This play sums up his year at Arkansas.

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Can't tell what the **** is happening in this Geno GIF.

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Every QB is gonna have some risk, I get that.


But what exactly are you so afraid of? He's gonna bust? Where does that put us?

I like Wilson too, I'm a partial Hogs fan.

You know there is a Wilson thread like this one tho right?

Sorry i made it larger but it was over 5mb. Basically the same thing as the other gif up there. Except during the orange bowl last year.

I was being sarcastic. That clearly shows him making 2 reads.

Alright. That orange bowl video is a nice video to watch. The growth from last year to this year in him is very impressive.

That gif from the Orange Bowl is bad, he only looked left then right. He needs to look left, then right, then left again.

I want to draft a QB. Just not Geno, with the #1 pick. I wouldn't mind taking him later if we were to trade down. But I don't think he is much better than any of the other QBs. His weaknesses are different. But overall, I don't think he is alot better than the other guys.